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Trading Post => Sell Wacky Packages => Topic started by: Corvette Bill on August 10, 2020, 06:45:12 PM

Title: Unopened
Post by: Corvette Bill on August 10, 2020, 06:45:12 PM
Ok I have several of theses my father worked for Topps for years and Iím looking to sell
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Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: BattleCaps on August 10, 2020, 07:05:51 PM
Very nice  :D

I'm sure they're out of my price range, but it would be a great way to start a collection.
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: Pupsi-Cola on August 10, 2020, 07:16:16 PM
Very nice  :D

I'm sure they're out of my price range, but it would be a great way to start a collection.









Agreed very nice indeed, how much would you be looking at for a box?
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: Campy on August 10, 2020, 07:48:44 PM
I am interested, PM sent
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: RawGoo on August 11, 2020, 02:49:36 AM
PM sent.
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: NationalSpittoon on August 11, 2020, 03:08:12 AM
Screw those minis, THIS is what Iím talking about!
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: bandaches on August 11, 2020, 06:35:21 AM
Pm sent
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: drstu on August 11, 2020, 08:00:06 AM
I am interested as well.  PM me with prices.  Thanks...
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: BustedFinger on August 11, 2020, 09:06:42 AM
What series are we looking at here?
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: bigtomi on August 11, 2020, 10:03:28 AM
What series are we looking at here?
Most likely 1973 Series 1, I'd say, since the "New Series" sticker isn't there. 'course, if it never went to a retailer...don't know if that matters, though.
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: MoldRush on August 11, 2020, 02:02:00 PM
Most likely 1973 Series 1, I'd say, since the "New Series" sticker isn't there. 'course, if it never went to a retailer...don't know if that matters, though.
Has anyone received a response?  I tried to send a PM this morning but was just coming back from a power outage, a short second one following last weekís Hurricane Isaias - related outage, and my Wi-Fi was spotty for a while so I couldnít get through.

Iím sure I canít afford a full box of OS Wackys, but Iím curious what heís got, as well as any non -Wacky items.  That Big Buddy pull-out ad or flyer looks pretty cool.
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: 70s_Kid on August 11, 2020, 02:14:43 PM
PM sent.

could this be a full box of first series 1973?   if so....  we are talking several thousands $$$$

ps.  I saved those pics .... for part of my wacky collection...   ;)
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: RawGoo on August 11, 2020, 02:19:46 PM
Most likely 1973 Series 1, I'd say, since the "New Series" sticker isn't there. 'course, if it never went to a retailer...don't know if that matters, though.

I thought Series 1 packs were more valuable than Series 2?
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: 70s_Kid on August 11, 2020, 02:21:27 PM
PM sent.

This would be one of the rarest wacky collectibles ever found if true... the pics look legit....  wow!!
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: NationalSpittoon on August 11, 2020, 02:52:56 PM
I thought Series 1 packs were more valuable than Series 2?

I'm not the authority, but I'd say yes, Series 1's are worth more if they can be determined as that series. I would assume these are all legit, but who knows? Not enough pictures to tell entirely if they're even Series 1 besides the whole "New Series" sticker and I'd say there's multiple grains of salt to be taken with that because I am not sure if Topps added these or if the stores did.

I also never received a message back, by the way.
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: Fanatical_and_Sickly on August 11, 2020, 03:06:21 PM
the whole "New Series" sticker ... I am not sure if Topps added these or if the stores did.

Topps definitely added those. not something that would be left to the retailers to manually stick on boxes
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: RawGoo on August 11, 2020, 03:11:47 PM
Topps definitely added those. not something that would be left to the retailers to manually stick on boxes

Agreed.  Retailers (by me, anyway) routinely left one box on the counter and threw new packs in as it emptied.
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: MoldRush on August 11, 2020, 06:03:06 PM
Agreed.  Retailers (by me, anyway) routinely left one box on the counter and threw new packs in as it emptied.
Thatís incredible presence of mind to notice something like that, at such a young age.  The most I would have ever picked up on is changes in pack and/or box colors, which usually meant a new Series was at hand.  Let the drooling begin.

So if your local retailer was taking packs out of boxes to put them in an existing counter box over and over, it probably just means he/she couldnít be bothered folding back the lid of every new box and popping the cardboard perforations to make the WP grocery bag graphic pop up.  Which means that literally scores of pristine boxes were likely just tossed out in the trash.  Mind-boggling.  If we could take our current-day selves and go back in time to 1973-75 as WP preservationists, imagine the volume and variety of material that would still be surviving today.  And not just Wackys, all kinds of cool candy and gum boxes, wrappers, etc.  Iíd probably spend every free moment loitering in candy stores, driving around to the back exits and dumpster-diving, etc. 
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: RawGoo on August 11, 2020, 06:16:17 PM
Thatís incredible presence of mind to notice something like that, at such a young age.  The most I would have ever picked up on is changes in pack and/or box colors, which usually meant a new Series was at hand.  Let the drooling begin.

So if your local retailer was taking packs out of boxes to put them in an existing counter box over and over, it probably just means he/she couldnít be bothered folding back the lid of every new box and popping the cardboard perforations to make the WP grocery bag graphic pop up.  Which means that literally scores of pristine boxes were likely just tossed out in the trash.  Mind-boggling.  If we could take our current-day selves and go back in time to 1973-75 as WP preservationists, imagine the volume and variety of material that would still be surviving today.  And not just Wackys, all kinds of cool candy and gum boxes, wrappers, etc.  Iíd probably spend every free moment loitering in candy stores, driving around to the back exits and dumpster-diving, etc.

My first two packs were Series 2.  When I went back the next week, I got a Series 1 pack and a Series 2 pack (I could tell from the checklists that they were different).  But the wrappers were the same, so I was confused! 
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: MoldRush on August 11, 2020, 07:02:19 PM
My first two packs were Series 2.  When I went back the next week, I got a Series 1 pack and a Series 2 pack (I could tell from the checklists that they were different).  But the wrappers were the same, so I was confused!
Yes, makes sense given the red packs were in use for series 1-3.  When you look at Wrapper/box color combos over OS 1-16, itís weird how some combinations pointed to one specific series only, while others hung around for 2 or 3 consecutive series.
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: BustedFinger on August 12, 2020, 09:16:15 AM
So getting back to the OP.  Was this legitimate?  Did anyone get a reply back?  This was their one and only post on the forum.  Makes me wonder if this was a troll or scammer?
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: drstu on August 12, 2020, 09:25:24 AM
Prices please...
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: Pupsi-Cola on August 12, 2020, 09:39:40 AM
Prices please...







I agree, if he is selling, a price is required.
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: drono on August 12, 2020, 12:47:52 PM
It says 5 cents right on the box.  I'll gladly pay him $2.40 for the entire box. 

Why didn't I ever have the money to do that when I was 9 years old?
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: RawGoo on August 12, 2020, 01:22:28 PM
It says 5 cents right on the box.  I'll gladly pay him $2.40 for the entire box. 

Why didn't I ever have the money to do that when I was 9 years old?

I managed it once, with Series 15.  Sadly, although I kept all the stickers and checklists, I used the box to store the gum and wrappers, and they eventually got tossed.
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: MoldRush on August 12, 2020, 04:44:58 PM
So getting back to the OP.  Was this legitimate?  Did anyone get a reply back?  This was their one and only post on the forum.  Makes me wonder if this was a troll or scammer?
Thatís what itís starting to feel like.  Anytime someone leaves a post like that, literally registers as a new user for that sole purpose, and then mysteriously ceases any communications thereafter, itís probably a Wacky catfish, to use modern-day lingo.
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: cmgmd on August 12, 2020, 06:14:06 PM
What reason would anyone have to "catfish"/troll a group as niche as a wacky packages forum?
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: MoldRush on August 12, 2020, 06:45:44 PM
What reason would anyone have to "catfish" something as niche as a wacky packages forum?
Probably the wrong choice in terms, as it suggests stringing someone along over an extended period of time for romantic/emotional reasons, but it feels like a petty power trip, getting everyone excited to see what he has to offer, asking prices, etc., and then going silent.  If he comes back to life Iíll have to eat my words, but I still donít see any indication that anyone has heard back.
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: freetoes on August 12, 2020, 06:55:54 PM
My first two packs were Series 2.  When I went back the next week, I got a Series 1 pack and a Series 2 pack (I could tell from the checklists that they were different).  But the wrappers were the same, so I was confused!

At the time, that must have been confusing. The earlier checklist wouldn't have had a series number on it. If you figured out that it must be a Series 1, give yourself logic points.
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: freetoes on August 12, 2020, 07:03:37 PM
BTW, to my recollection there has never been such a thing as a full Series 1 box turning up. The closest thing was when Eric assembled about 30 packs and kept them in an original box. But the possibility still gets us excited. I look forward to seeing how this plays out.
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: Paul_Maul on August 12, 2020, 09:00:03 PM
There was a partial box of 31 packs that was part of an original box sold on eBay in 2002. I believe it was purchased by Greg Schwartz. Come to think of it, it may have been sold by Eric. It was not pieced together though.
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: MoldRush on August 12, 2020, 10:13:47 PM
That little Big Buddy flyer on top gives it the look of an undisturbed full box.  Not that I would know to expect that, but it does give that impression.
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: RawGoo on August 13, 2020, 03:28:22 AM
That little Big Buddy flyer on top gives it the look of an undisturbed full box.  Not that I would know to expect that, but it does give that impression.

I was thinking the same thing.

I do hope he comes back and gives us asking prices.  I've made some serious Wacky purchases this year and might have to bow out on this, but in that case at least I'll have the Jolly Mean 21 to console me, and that is less fragile and takes up less space  :P
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: NationalSpittoon on August 13, 2020, 04:16:41 AM
I've seen him online twice since this was posted. Why would he not confirm the validity of the box?

Oh, and if we buy a box do we get a complementary bag of Brookside chocolates?
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: bigtomi on August 13, 2020, 11:25:35 AM
I've seen him online twice since this was posted. Why would he not confirm the validity of the box?
Maybe he is doing more info gathering before accepting an offer or setting his price? He should confirm authenticity, though, regardless. And, he should have done the info gathering before coming here, really.

Oh, and if we buy a box do we get a complementary bag of Brookside chocolates?
You'll get something much sweeter: a genuine, full Series 1 box to savor, LOL.
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: bandaches on August 13, 2020, 02:28:26 PM
Maybe he is doing more info gathering before accepting an offer or setting his price? He should confirm authenticity, though, regardless. And, he should have done the info gathering before coming here, really.
You'll get something much sweeter: a genuine, full Series 1 box to savor, LOL.
I traded a couple of messages with him.  I think he's came to this forum to gather information which is what people often do when they come to collector forums. 
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: Pupsi-Cola on August 13, 2020, 07:48:16 PM
I traded a couple of messages with him.  I think he's came to this forum to gather information which is what people often do when they come to collector forums.









Gathering info. is fine, but when you post a pic. of a Wacky item that cool and something you want to sell, but don't mention a price. I feel that's what all of us are concerned about.
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: MoldRush on August 13, 2020, 08:45:52 PM








Gathering info. is fine, but when you post a pic. of a Wacky item that cool and something you want to sell, but don't mention a price. I feel that's what all of us are concerned about.

Stated another way, if you donít have any time to follow up - address questions, more fully disclose whatís being offered, pricing, etc., then avoid posting anything until you do have time.  Donít just drop a bomb and then vanish.  I know Iím being a little overly dramatic, but you get the idea.

Of course, maybe some PMs have gotten responses and members are keeping it close to the vest in hopes of having an inside track to land one of these puppies, which of course is their prerogative.  And of course itís the sellerís prerogative to sniff out whatever market can be found in addition to the Forum, but then just say something to that effect.  How can you figure out the best market or where youíll get the best offer if you wonít disclose what youíve got?  Is it behind door #2 or door #3?
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: bandaches on August 14, 2020, 05:47:54 AM
I am not keeping anything close to the vest, he has offered zero information on pricing he has been purely asking for info.
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: bandaches on August 14, 2020, 05:49:02 AM








Gathering info. is fine, but when you post a pic. of a Wacky item that cool and something you want to sell, but don't mention a price. I feel that's what all of us are concerned about.
He's clearly does State he is here looking to sell so it would be disappointing if he doesn't at some point come up with a price.
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: MoldRush on August 14, 2020, 10:25:59 AM
I am not keeping anything close to the vest, he has offered zero information on pricing he has been purely asking for info.
Ok, then the actual dialogue has been slim to none as I initially suspected.  A few words from him on how he is approaching this would have helped.  Just saying ďhey, Iíve got this stuff and looking to sellĒ to me suggests weíre not talking about a lengthy information-gathering mission, but rather sounds like someone ready to get down to brass tacks about actual sales.
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: drono on August 14, 2020, 10:28:51 AM
This entire post reminds me of that trick we pulled on each other as kids.  A piece of paper with this written on both sides:

How to keep someone busy
Flip over the paper
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: MoldRush on August 14, 2020, 05:23:01 PM
This entire post reminds me of that trick we pulled on each other as kids.  A piece of paper with this written on both sides:

How to keep someone busy
Flip over the paper
Point taken.  But understand Iím not even a prospective buyer; my hobby budget canít accommodate a full OS box no matter which series heís got.  Despite that, I figured if the situation annoyed me a little, it would certainly annoy those who are seriously interested and have the scratch to act on it.  If Iím wrong, then kudos to all for taking this in stride better than I have.
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: drono on August 15, 2020, 04:31:21 AM
But understand Iím not even a prospective buyer; my hobby budget canít accommodate a full OS box no matter which series heís got.

Me either.  I'd be happy with one 1st series pack.  Even if I had the money for either, I could think of better things to spend it on.  I just thought it was funny how everyone was getting so upset over what was called a "catfish" earlier in the thread.  Maybe it's the pandemic lock down speaking.  Kudos to anyone who can afford and does manage to buy any full boxes.

I do hope, if it exists and is legitimate, that it is kept together.  I get tired of seeing full boxes killed just for the chance at PSA 10s.  Similarly, my grandson is really into atlases, so I've been trying to find him one from before 1860 where the United States is not so well defined.  The auctions on eBay that start with a price I'm willing to pay are so often run up and bought by dealers who then separate the individual maps and resell them on eBay.  It's such a shame to take something so rare that would be enjoyed by a true collector and break it up just for profit.  Gordon Gekko would certainly be proud.
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: MoldRush on August 15, 2020, 06:11:29 AM
Wow, I didnít know antique maps were a hot collectibles, or that full atlases were being broken down like that.  I guess a lot of collectors might only be interested in their own state or even city/town, hence the disassembly.  But the historical growth of the country and states being established from the colonial period all the way up to the 1950s makes for a lot of history to explore.

Iíve been into newspaper comic strips lately, which has some similarities to historical map collecting.  I donít try to go any further back than the 70s, but a lot of serious collectors go back to the 1940s, 1930s or even earlier.  Unlike what youíre experiencing, collectors donít seem to frown on separating sections into clipped strips, building runs of a particular title, etc.  rather, most of the criticism seems to be directed at what the newspapers did to cram more strips into a given page space - shrinking the overall size, trimming the panels or removing some altogether, stuff I never knew went on.  For example, the Sunday paper of my childhood had a full-page Dick Tracy on the front page, but Iíve read that papers that ran those same Sunday strips in half-page format did so not just by scaling down the size and re-formatting the layout, say from a portrait to landscape configuration, but also by removing a few panels altogether!  Itís like taking out part of the story that the writer/illustrator created!  So a purist collector of truly complete strips really has their work cut out for them.  Maybe itís better to stick with collecting weekday strips, which I donít think went through any of these shenanigans.
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: Pupsi-Cola on August 15, 2020, 06:44:42 PM
Point taken.  But understand Iím not even a prospective buyer; my hobby budget canít accommodate a full OS box no matter which series heís got.  Despite that, I figured if the situation annoyed me a little, it would certainly annoy those who are seriously interested and have the scratch to act on it.  If Iím wrong, then kudos to all for taking this in stride better than I have.









The only full boxes I've ever owned were a 10th and a 16th and I don't have them any longer.
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: bandaches on August 15, 2020, 06:49:07 PM
Wow, I didnít know antique maps were a hot collectibles, or that full atlases were being broken down like that.  I guess a lot of collectors might only be interested in their own state or even city/town, hence the disassembly.  But the historical growth of the country and states being established from the colonial period all the way up to the 1950s makes for a lot of history to explore.

Iíve been into newspaper comic strips lately, which has some similarities to historical map collecting.  I donít try to go any further back than the 70s, but a lot of serious collectors go back to the 1940s, 1930s or even earlier.  Unlike what youíre experiencing, collectors donít seem to frown on separating sections into clipped strips, building runs of a particular title, etc.  rather, most of the criticism seems to be directed at what the newspapers did to cram more strips into a given page space - shrinking the overall size, trimming the panels or removing some altogether, stuff I never knew went on.  For example, the Sunday paper of my childhood had a full-page Dick Tracy on the front page, but Iíve read that papers that ran those same Sunday strips in half-page format did so not just by scaling down the size and re-formatting the layout, say from a portrait to landscape configuration, but also by removing a few panels altogether!  Itís like taking out part of the story that the writer/illustrator created!  So a purist collector of truly complete strips really has their work cut out for them.  Maybe itís better to stick with collecting weekday strips, which I donít think went through any of these shenanigans.
After my parents split and Mom and kids settled in NJ, I pulled up the floor boards in a closet in my bedroom and comic pages from 1940's newspapers.  I am fairly certain I still have them somewhere wrapped in plastic.
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: freetoes on August 15, 2020, 08:29:56 PM
Wow, I didnít know antique maps were a hot collectibles, or that full atlases were being broken down like that.  I guess a lot of collectors might only be interested in their own state or even city/town, hence the disassembly.  But the historical growth of the country and states being established from the colonial period all the way up to the 1950s makes for a lot of history to explore.

Iíve been into newspaper comic strips lately, which has some similarities to historical map collecting.  I donít try to go any further back than the 70s, but a lot of serious collectors go back to the 1940s, 1930s or even earlier.  Unlike what youíre experiencing, collectors donít seem to frown on separating sections into clipped strips, building runs of a particular title, etc.  rather, most of the criticism seems to be directed at what the newspapers did to cram more strips into a given page space - shrinking the overall size, trimming the panels or removing some altogether, stuff I never knew went on.  For example, the Sunday paper of my childhood had a full-page Dick Tracy on the front page, but Iíve read that papers that ran those same Sunday strips in half-page format did so not just by scaling down the size and re-formatting the layout, say from a portrait to landscape configuration, but also by removing a few panels altogether!  Itís like taking out part of the story that the writer/illustrator created!  So a purist collector of truly complete strips really has their work cut out for them.  Maybe itís better to stick with collecting weekday strips, which I donít think went through any of these shenanigans.

On Sundays, "Peanuts" would lead with two panels that weren't essential to the story. (Some of these were classics in their own right.)  It was common for newspapers to omit these, but the reader could still follow the gag.
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: MoldRush on August 15, 2020, 08:49:44 PM
After my parents split and Mom and kids settled in NJ, I pulled up the floor boards in a closet in my bedroom and comic pages from 1940's newspapers.  I am fairly certain I still have them somewhere wrapped in plastic.
Wow, sounds like they were well-preserved from being encrypted like that for so many years.  Up on the main floor or upstairs floor kept them nice and dry.  Probably whoever installed the flooring was looking to level the subfloor on the cheap. . . Frigginí contractors. . .

I have a really odd story from early childhood, about how NOT to preserve comics or newsprint in general.  Hard to say if subconsciously it planted a seed of interest in newspaper comics stronger than it might have otherwise been.

I was maybe 6 or 7, and I was friends with a kid named Eric who lived a few houses down on the block.  One day in the summer he says hey, I want to show you something.  He takes me into his garage, like through a small side door, and the entire floor space is covered in bundles of old newspapers.  I donít know if they were strictly color Sunday comic sections or full newspapers as well, but it was mostly comics showing on the outside on the bundles.  There were no cars in the garage, no bikes, gardening tools, etc, nothing.  Just wall-to-wall bundles of newspapers, maybe a foot thick each.  And not neatly stacked to maintain some clear floor space, just randomly piled like rocks in a jetty.  You could barely move in there.   I was fascinated, but we couldnít really open and read anything because there was a powerful musty mildew smell from long-term moisture and humidity exposure of the paper.  The smell was too overwhelming.

Ericís family sold the house and moved a short time after that, which couldnít have been easy if what I saw was indicative of a larger hoarding problem, something I did not know of or understand at the time of course.  Had Eric stayed around into later years I definitely would have had some follow-up questions lol.
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: MoldRush on August 15, 2020, 09:18:12 PM
On Sundays, "Peanuts" would lead with two panels that weren't essential to the story. (Some of these were classics in their own right.)  It was common for newspapers to omit these, but the reader could still follow the gag.
Yes, good point, I forgot to mention that.  Some of the humor strips would have a top row with a one or two panel lead-in joke separate from the gist of the strip, and those were made to be expendable should a given newspaper decide to go with a smaller format on that strip and be pressed for space.  It looks nicer to have the full version of a strip because you get the artist-drawn title panel rather than just a block letter title over the strip like you see with dailies, but youíre right, it doesnít really detract from the main strip.  Iím not sure if the more serialized strips did it too, Iíve read that it was done with Dick Tracy, but I would tend to think that in those cases it could compromise the storytelling somewhat.  But Iíve read some Dick Tracy anthologies, and there is sometimes some back-tracking in the story-telling from one day to the next.  Maybe a creatorís way of compensating for the possibility of some panels being cut?  That would be a shrewd way of getting around the problem.

One day iíll Have to check my own collection to see if I have Sunday sections from the same date but different newspapers, where a given title included in both was complete in one paper and shortened in another. 
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: freetoes on August 18, 2020, 04:34:07 PM
Yes, good point, I forgot to mention that.  Some of the humor strips would have a top row with a one or two panel lead-in joke separate from the gist of the strip, and those were made to be expendable should a given newspaper decide to go with a smaller format on that strip and be pressed for space.  It looks nicer to have the full version of a strip because you get the artist-drawn title panel rather than just a block letter title over the strip like you see with dailies, but youíre right, it doesnít really detract from the main strip.  Iím not sure if the more serialized strips did it too, Iíve read that it was done with Dick Tracy, but I would tend to think that in those cases it could compromise the storytelling somewhat.  But Iíve read some Dick Tracy anthologies, and there is sometimes some back-tracking in the story-telling from one day to the next.  Maybe a creatorís way of compensating for the possibility of some panels being cut?  That would be a shrewd way of getting around the problem.

One day iíll Have to check my own collection to see if I have Sunday sections from the same date but different newspapers, where a given title included in both was complete in one paper and shortened in another.

Oh yes, Dick Tracy. The Case of the Skull and Guillotine was running when I bought my first Wackys. I only got to read it on Sundays (our regular paper was weekdays-only), and would mentally fill in the blanks each week. This was near the end of the Chester Gould solo era, before the wave of recycled villains from the late '70's on.
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: MoldRush on August 18, 2020, 06:18:20 PM
Interesting that you remember Dick Tracy so well from that long ago.  I never tried to follow it because at that age, even though my Dad pretty much brought home a weekday paper every day, I just didnít have the same awareness of the daily strips as I did the Sunday color comics, so I never tried to follow it because once a week wasnít enough to make sense of what as going on.  But I was fascinated by Gouldís drawing style (and Fletcher / Collins thereafter), the thick lines, use of shadows, really weird characters (aside from the villains), and I always wanted to cut out those little crime stoppers notebook pages and make my own tiny notebook!  Dick Tracy was a full page strip in our Sunday paper in the 70s; ironically by the early 80ís they stopped running the Sunday strips but kept the weekday strips.
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: Campy on August 20, 2020, 06:10:10 PM

 I received a reply to my PM and He stated that he has decided to hold on to them at this point just to let everyone know. Not selling after all :sad:
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: MoldRush on August 20, 2020, 06:20:35 PM
I received a reply to my PM and He stated that he has decided to hold on to them at this point just to let everyone know. Not selling after all :sad:
Well at least thatís an answer, though Iím sure not the answer most of us were hoping for.  At least we made the most of the situation and talked about some other interesting stuff on the thread while waiting to see what happens.
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: bandaches on August 21, 2020, 05:35:28 AM
I'd say there's equal chance he just used the forum to get information and he actually sold what he had to someone else and that someone else directed him to just tell us all hes keeping this stuff.
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: bandaches on August 21, 2020, 07:39:09 AM
I received a reply to my PM and He stated that he has decided to hold on to them at this point just to let everyone know. Not selling after all :sad:
He hasn't been on the forum in over a week.  Did he email you more recently than that?  Last I heard from him was the last day he logged in here, Aug 14 and he gave no indication he was keeping them and he was still pumping me for information.  He has not responded to any of my contact attempts since then.
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: MoldRush on August 21, 2020, 10:51:32 AM
I'd say there's equal chance he just used the forum to get information and he actually sold what he had to someone else and that someone else directed him to just tell us all hes keeping this stuff.
Good point.  He didnít sound like a Wacky enthusiast by any stretch.  Maybe he only just found out recently that his father had kept stuff.
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: Campy on August 21, 2020, 05:36:38 PM

 I got the email yesterday.
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: Paul_Maul on November 24, 2020, 01:10:14 PM
Iím assuming this is one of his?

https://sports.ha.com/itm/non-sport-cards/unopened-packs-display-boxes/1973-topps-wacky-packages-stickers-series-1-wax-box-with-48-unopened-packs-/a/50031-58496.s?type=lotlink--bidnotice-tracked-dailystatus&fbclid=IwAR2cC1dltZcx0cz1vALh6VYVF98IigLScHksJz1TGofFjPpjIfBMcvsDRhw
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: bigtomi on November 24, 2020, 02:13:33 PM
Iím assuming this is one of his?
Hmmmm...maybe, but from the damage, the one in this auction is not the one he posted here originally. Different wear patterns and marks. I suppose it could be another one he has.
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: Paul_Maul on November 24, 2020, 02:14:50 PM
Hmmmm...maybe, but from the damage, the one in this auction is not the one he posted here originally. Different wear patterns and marks. I suppose it could be another one he has.

I noticed that too. Considering one has never surfaced before (to my knowledge), it would seem like an awfully big coincidence if they werenít related...
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: bigtomi on November 24, 2020, 02:23:02 PM
Considering one has never surfaced before (to my knowledge), it would seem like an awfully big coincidence if they werenít related...
True dat. The possibility that this guy has more than one S1 full box just freaks me out...lol.
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: BustedFinger on November 24, 2020, 03:50:06 PM
True dat. The possibility that this guy has more than one S1 full box just freaks me out...lol.
So it shows the current bid as $16,000.  But does it actually have a bid on it?  I'm not too familiar with Heritage auctions so I don't know if it shows the number of bids or not?
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: Paul_Maul on November 24, 2020, 03:54:06 PM
So it shows the current bid as $16,000.  But does it actually have a bid on it?  I'm not too familiar with Heritage auctions so I don't know if it shows the number of bids or not?

If you look at the information at the bottom of the page it says it has five bids.
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: freetoes on November 24, 2020, 09:16:02 PM
If this is from CB, I wonder what he told them. The box is described as "possibly unique," with an estimated value of $50,000-up.

In the words of our friends from Shark Tank, "I'm out."
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: RawGoo on November 25, 2020, 12:22:22 AM
If this is from CB, I wonder what he told them. The box is described as "possibly unique," with an estimated value of $50,000-up.

In the words of our friends from Shark Tank, "I'm out."

$50,000??   :o :o
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: quas on November 25, 2020, 01:52:37 AM
$50,000??   :o :o

Pass!
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: Paul_Maul on November 25, 2020, 04:33:55 AM
$50,000??   :o :o

Itís a little high, but individual packs have sold for $1000. I donít think you can multiply that by 48, but if two wealthy folks really want it, the sky is the limit!
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: NationalSpittoon on November 25, 2020, 04:35:42 AM
$50,000??   :o :o

How many people with this amount of money to spend would go for a box of fifty year old obsolete-branded cards? I would assume not many.

I could very easily be wrong, of course, but I do not see this selling for $50,000 even if that's what it's worth.
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: Paul_Maul on November 25, 2020, 04:46:17 AM
How many people with this amount of money to spend would go for a box of fifty year old obsolete-branded cards? I would assume not many.

I could very easily be wrong, of course, but I do not see this selling for $50,000 even if that's what it's worth.

Already at $16.5K.
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: Fanatical_and_Sickly on November 25, 2020, 05:17:34 AM
If this is from CB, I wonder what he told them. The box is described as "possibly unique," with an estimated value of $50,000-up.
Right? ďPossibly uniqueĒ? Doesnít look that way, since CB posted pictures of a different one here in this thread, along with the statement that he had Ďseveralí of them.
Subterfuge to pull in the highest $ bids?
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: RawGoo on November 25, 2020, 05:22:38 AM
Hmmmm...maybe, but from the damage, the one in this auction is not the one he posted here originally. Different wear patterns and marks. I suppose it could be another one he has.

Maybe he's listing the lesser condition box first to set a value and saving the beautious box for later, greater bids?  This would be awesome to own, but at that value, I'd be afraid to keep it at home!
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: Paul_Maul on November 25, 2020, 08:08:50 AM
I guess itís possible this box isnít even his. For years I thought that a full 11th series green box didnít exist (other than the one Matt/Greg had made from loose packs from the Tea guy find), and then two of them turned up from different sources within two years.
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: drono on November 25, 2020, 08:46:39 AM
If this is from CB, I wonder what he told them. The box is described as "possibly unique," with an estimated value of $50,000-up.

I'd never spend that kind of money when I have other priorities where it would go to better use.  However, it would be ironic that my mother took me to buy my first Wacky Packages stickers (they were out of baseball cards so she suggested getting them instead - and they were 1st Series tans) and the money I'll get from my share of her estate after she passed last January would probably buy this box.

I'd also be torn that it's BBCE wrapped.  I'd definitely want to open it and savor the unopened packs, but I'd definitely keep them that way.  Of course breaking the seal would diminish the value of the box.
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: bigtomi on November 25, 2020, 10:35:02 AM
Of course breaking the seal would diminish the value of the box.
I would disagree, don't think just removing the shrink would affect it, IMO.
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: Paul_Maul on November 25, 2020, 11:59:35 AM
I would disagree, don't think just removing the shrink would affect it, IMO.

It would certainly affect it dramatically when trying to resell later. But you can always just get it wrapped again, but the price for wrapping an item like this is pretty high. His fee is 8% of the ďretailĒ price. For this box, I imagine his estimate was on the low end, but even if using $20K as an estimate, the fee is $1600.
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: RawGoo on November 25, 2020, 12:47:13 PM
It would certainly affect it dramatically when trying to resell later. But you can always just get it wrapped again, but the price for wrapping an item like this is pretty high. His fee is 8% of the ďretailĒ price. For this box, I imagine his estimate was on the low end, but even if using $20K as an estimate, the fee is $1600.

Wow, that's a hefty fee!  I've been toying with getting my 1976 Star Trek box wrapped, but with that kind of fee, I don't know.......  and it is nice to be able to see the packs.
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: drono on November 25, 2020, 01:11:56 PM
the price for wrapping an item like this is pretty high. His fee is 8% of the ďretailĒ price.

Is that the same fee for every item?  I have some 1989 Upper Deck Baseball Low Number boxes that I've been thinking about selling, and I'm pondering on whether to get them wrapped first.  I know they're genuine because I bought them in 1989, and they've always been in my possession.  But it appears that counterfeiting is rampant in sports cards unopened items - even rack packs.
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: bandaches on November 25, 2020, 02:20:03 PM
Iím assuming this is one of his?

https://sports.ha.com/itm/non-sport-cards/unopened-packs-display-boxes/1973-topps-wacky-packages-stickers-series-1-wax-box-with-48-unopened-packs-/a/50031-58496.s?type=lotlink--bidnotice-tracked-dailystatus&fbclid=IwAR2cC1dltZcx0cz1vALh6VYVF98IigLScHksJz1TGofFjPpjIfBMcvsDRhw
He claims he has not listed his for sale anywhere and is holding on because fears the stock market will drop.  The logic makes no sense to me....take it for what it is worth....
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: bandaches on November 25, 2020, 02:21:23 PM
Itís a little high, but individual packs have sold for $1000. I donít think you can multiply that by 48, but if two wealthy folks really want it, the sky is the limit!
Bill has had his on ebay for awhile and no takers at $999 and he is taking offers.
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: bandaches on November 25, 2020, 02:24:33 PM
I would disagree, don't think just removing the shrink would affect it, IMO.
I agree with you.   I feel this "wrapping boxes" is another big con in my opinion.  This person who guided this as being the only box known and $50k is obviously not really an expert as we have this box on this thread which is clearly a different box. 
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: Paul_Maul on November 25, 2020, 03:53:11 PM
I agree with you.   I feel this "wrapping boxes" is another big con in my opinion.  This person who guided this as being the only box known and $50k is obviously not really an expert as we have this box on this thread which is clearly a different box.

It is essential for a buyer to know the packs are legit. Steve Hart of BBCE is certifying that and wrapping the box to ensure they have not been tampered with. How is unwrapping the box and thus invalidating that certification not going to hurt the resale price?

Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: bandaches on November 26, 2020, 03:22:52 AM
It is essential for a buyer to know the packs are legit. Steve Hart of BBCE is certifying that and wrapping the box to ensure they have not been tampered with. How is unwrapping the box and thus invalidating that certification not going to hurt the resale price?
  So the guy who has no idea there's another Box on the market is an expert in the price of the Box and an expert in knowing if the packs are legit...I trust my own eyes versus paying someone.   Just like why would I pay PSA to judge cards when I can look at them myself.   As big tomi said,  Part of the joy of owning this is being able to see the packs, if people want just trophies to put on their shelves then they should buy trophies  Or for that matter stuff the Box with Styrofoam and wrap it.
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: Paul_Maul on November 26, 2020, 04:14:59 AM
  So the guy who has no idea there's another Box on the market is an expert in the price of the Box and an expert in knowing if the packs are legit...I trust my own eyes versus paying someone.   Just like why would I pay PSA to judge cards when I can look at them myself.   As big tomi said,  Part of the joy of owning this is being able to see the packs, if people want just trophies to put on their shelves then they should buy trophies  Or for that matter stuff the Box with Styrofoam and wrap it.

If you feel comfortable assessing the legitimacy of unopened material for yourself, you are welcome to buy uncertified items. You will certainly find them to be less expensive. However, it is a fact that most of the folks buying expensive unopened material do not share your confidence, hence the huge premium paid for material certified by BBCE. Having basically one guy in that kind of powerful position is risky, I will admit, but fortunately he has shown himself to be very ethical and accurate (though a few mistakes have been made over the years).

Someone buying an ungraded high dollar card takes a huge risk that the card will be trimmed, recolored, etc. Unfortunately, with todayís technology, PSA has not even been able to catch all of this. I can see just not buying such cards at all, but certainly buying them ungraded is a mistake.
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: bandaches on November 30, 2020, 12:25:42 PM
If you feel comfortable assessing the legitimacy of unopened material for yourself, you are welcome to buy uncertified items. You will certainly find them to be less expensive. However, it is a fact that most of the folks buying expensive unopened material do not share your confidence, hence the huge premium paid for material certified by BBCE. Having basically one guy in that kind of powerful position is risky, I will admit, but fortunately he has shown himself to be very ethical and accurate (though a few mistakes have been made over the years).

Someone buying an ungraded high dollar card takes a huge risk that the card will be trimmed, recolored, etc. Unfortunately, with todayís technology, PSA has not even been able to catch all of this. I can see just not buying such cards at all, but certainly buying them ungraded is a mistake.
I don't have plans to ever buy an expensive single card so I guess I have no risk.  I wonder if the grading companies feel compelled to make sure graded items sell for more...do they bid stuff up especially high end items? 
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: JasonLiebig on November 30, 2020, 01:37:00 PM
Hey guys,

Fascinating aside to this discussion.   PSA (actually Collectors Universe, PSA's parent company) was just acquired for $700 million dollars. 

https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.com/psa-parent-company-agrees-to-700-million-buyout-offer/

The buyer who led the acquisition group is a fellow by the name of Nat Turner, who I've heard may be one of PSA's biggest customers. He's a wealthy guy, entrepreneur and collector who has had a LOT of sports cards graded.

And I kind of chuckle, because at PSA's rates for grading valuable cards, I wonder if the $700 million dollar purchase price will pay for itself in saved grading charges.  :-)

It's just fascinating how much "grading" and graded material has become the sort of front line of high value trading cards. 
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: MoldRush on November 30, 2020, 03:13:44 PM
Just my 2 cents on the topic, but based on my knowledge of coin grading services, when youíre talking about a potentially $25 to $50K item like this 1st Series box, you want to know more about the topic than the guy working for the grading service if you really want to be sure youíre getting the real McCoy.  To Ernieís point, does the grader know what to look for to maximize the likelihood that the packs are genuinely originally sealed and are all ďnativeĒ to this same box?  There are telltale attributes to look for.  If Iím going to pay an 8% commission for grading, I want a complete written report on everything the grader looked at, justification for his conclusions with photos, etc.  Just returning it with a grade would not be nearly enough for a $1,600.00 fee.  But at the end of the day I would probably still trust my own instincts more than the grading service.  The only thing that really spooks me is outright counterfeiting, which is always improving.  The most innovative thinkers are often on the wrong side of the moral fence.

The coin grading process is popular with ďcollectorsĒ who have the resources to buy pricey coins but are too busy with their everyday pursuits to acquire the knowledge and experience to evaluate coins themselves.  And there are many coins whose value jumps exponentially from one grade to the next.  Dealers who can charge $10,000, $50,000, or more for one grade higher on a borderline coin will often remove a graded coin from the holder and resubmit repeatedly until somebody gives it the higher grade, even though the lower grade is likely the accurate one.  Once that is accomplished, the profit potential from selling to an unseasoned investor/speculator becomes an easy score.
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: bandaches on November 30, 2020, 03:21:03 PM
Hey guys,

Fascinating aside to this discussion.   PSA (actually Collectors Universe, PSA's parent company) was just acquired for $700 million dollars. 

https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.com/psa-parent-company-agrees-to-700-million-buyout-offer/

The buyer who led the acquisition group is a fellow by the name of Nat Turner, who I've heard may be one of PSA's biggest customers. He's a wealthy guy, entrepreneur and collector who has had a LOT of sports cards graded.

And I kind of chuckle, because at PSA's rates for grading valuable cards, I wonder if the $700 million dollar purchase price will pay for itself in saved grading charges.  :-)

It's just fascinating how much "grading" and graded material has become the sort of front line of high value trading cards.
8 months ago, Collectors universe was $15 share so he pays like $70 per share and soon the grading market will have 4 players?  Sounds like saturation and confusion to me.  Which grades are the most lucrative?  Watch for massive exposure of high profile cards from each grader listed by national auction sites and serious shill bidding to pump up those prices for graded material!
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: RawGoo on November 30, 2020, 03:25:25 PM

The coin grading process is popular with ďcollectorsĒ who have the resources to buy pricey coins but are too busy with their everyday pursuits to acquire the knowledge and experience to evaluate coins themselves.  And there are many coins whose value jumps exponentially from one grade to the next.  Dealers who can charge $10,000, $50,000, or more for one grade higher on a borderline coin will often remove a graded coin from the holder and resubmit repeatedly until somebody gives it the higher grade, even though the lower grade is likely the accurate one.  Once that is accomplished, the profit potential from selling to an unseasoned investor/speculator becomes an easy score.

Same with cracking and resubmitting cards.  And the end result is that the stats get all skewed because the same card can be counted twice or more in the lower grade, and PSA has no way to know or keep track of that.
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: bandaches on November 30, 2020, 04:24:24 PM
Just my 2 cents on the topic, but based on my knowledge of coin grading services, when youíre talking about a potentially $25 to $50K item like this 1st Series box, you want to know more about the topic than the guy working for the grading service if you really want to be sure youíre getting the real McCoy.  To Ernieís point, does the grader know what to look for to maximize the likelihood that the packs are genuinely originally sealed and are all ďnativeĒ to this same box?  There are telltale attributes to look for.  If Iím going to pay an 8% commission for grading, I want a complete written report on everything the grader looked at, justification for his conclusions with photos, etc.  Just returning it with a grade would not be nearly enough for a $1,600.00 fee.  But at the end of the day I would probably still trust my own instincts more than the grading service.  The only thing that really spooks me is outright counterfeiting, which is always improving.  The most innovative thinkers are often on the wrong side of the moral fence.

The coin grading process is popular with ďcollectorsĒ who have the resources to buy pricey coins but are too busy with their everyday pursuits to acquire the knowledge and experience to evaluate coins themselves.  And there are many coins whose value jumps exponentially from one grade to the next.  Dealers who can charge $10,000, $50,000, or more for one grade higher on a borderline coin will often remove a graded coin from the holder and resubmit repeatedly until somebody gives it the higher grade, even though the lower grade is likely the accurate one.  Once that is accomplished, the profit potential from selling to an unseasoned investor/speculator becomes an easy score.
I bought an unopened case of series 1 reissue boxes.   Boxes as pristine as boxes can get.  The packs were collated in a very certain way.  Do these box grading experts know of this when they assess the pristineness of boxes of wackys?  I doubt it. How many boxes of wackys are pieced together with packs versus packs that came originally with the box?  I'd say reissue boxes have higher % of original packs in boxes but I am highly suspicious of these original series boxes.  does it matter?  Is someone just as happy to get a box full of packs vs a box with original packs from the box?  I couldn't care less as I don't collect full boxes for that reason.  I have very little OCD so none of this matters to me.
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: MoldRush on November 30, 2020, 04:29:06 PM
Yes, exactly.  Population data can be flawed because they donít have a way of recording the ďDNAĒ, if you will, of the raw coin itself, only the barcodes of the slabs they send out.  Iím sure thereís probably some methods that could be employed to limit these repeat submission tactics, such as high-resolution photos that can be compared with high-frequency submissions in the same series, date and grade range, but the finite talent/ resources vs the tremendous submission volumes probably limit what can be done without making the process cost and/or time-prohibitive.
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: MoldRush on November 30, 2020, 04:44:16 PM
Is someone just as happy to get a box full of packs vs a box with original packs from the box?  I couldn't care less as I don't collect full boxes for that reason.  I have very little OCD so none of this matters to me.
Agreed, thereís really no sound reason to pursue a full OS box given the excessive cost and potential for shenanigans.  If one loves the idea of a full box for display/nostalgia purposes, an empty box with enough packs to cover the bottom one layer deep is more than enough for me.

In Mark Murphyís book on unopened sports pack collecting, he recommends buying some inexpensive full boxes as a way of self-training oneself on what to look for to confirm a box as original, such as consistency in creasing patterns, uniformity in stacking, the right texture on the roller marks, etc., and I actually did that years ago when I read the book.  Everything he said proved to be true.  Iíve never had the good fortune of examining a full box of Wackys, but an accumulated box from different sources shouldnít be too hard to detect.
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: JasonLiebig on November 30, 2020, 05:04:16 PM
Watch for massive exposure of high profile cards from each grader listed by national auction sites and serious shill bidding to pump up those prices for graded material!

Have you seen what some graded sports cards have been doing since the Coronavirus lockdowns began?  A nuclear explosion of skyrocketing final sale prices.  Relatively contemporary chase cards cracking $100,000. 

So, maybe your speculative scenario has already been in play for much of 2020. 
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: bandaches on November 30, 2020, 06:20:39 PM
Have you seen what some graded sports cards have been doing since the Coronavirus lockdowns began?  A nuclear explosion of skyrocketing final sale prices.  Relatively contemporary chase cards cracking $100,000. 

So, maybe your speculative scenario has already been in play for much of 2020.
yes I noticed, the big money hasn't been able to live their lavish life styles due to Covid so they are spending on collectibles.
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: Brian Mc on December 01, 2020, 04:50:43 AM
Some of this thread reads like CSI: Wacky Packages. LOL. You guys are on another level.  :D
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: RawGoo on December 11, 2020, 07:59:57 AM
The full Series 1 box ended at $49,200 with the 20% buyer's premium.   >( >(
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: bandaches on December 11, 2020, 12:30:13 PM
The full Series 1 box ended at $49,200 with the 20% buyer's premium.   >( >(
Smells like a shill bid....the "expert" grader called it a $50k box and it happened to sell for that or did someone push it up to save face on the estimate?  With these types of auctions, no way to tell.
Title: Re: Unopened
Post by: bandaches on December 11, 2020, 02:51:44 PM
Smells like a shill bid....the "expert" grader called it a $50k box and it happened to sell for that or did someone push it up to save face on the estimate?  With these types of auctions, no way to tell.
or our buddy duo will pop on here bragging about his $50k box selling packs for a mere $2k each.  I wonder if he sold his $7k bandache pack.  Actually I don't really wonder.