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Wacky Packages Discussion => General Wacky Packages Discussion => Topic started by: mikecho on October 04, 2019, 10:46:21 AM
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You'll never believe what I just discovered.
I was looking up the Wikipedia article on Wacky Packages and found out that someone had reduced it down to the bare bones! All of the information that I'd worked on for years was gone!
And not just there, but the article on Underworld Unleashed, which I'd also worked on for so long, had been reduced down to what it originally was before I fixed it! Now what kind of person does that?
I know that Wikipedia articles can be edited by anyone, but that doesn't mean that I have to like it! All my work ruined and I don't even know if I can get it back!
I'm sorry, guys, I just had to say something. Thanks for understanding.
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you can EASILY get it back, just by looking at the history pages
every change and update going back years and years
possibly done by Binksternet on Sept 28, who indicates they are rolling changes way back, but for no reason at all provided.
perhaps you can 'undo' or challenge their edits
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It won't let you "undo" the thing wholesale because there have been numerous edits since then; but if you want to restore parts of it all of what you had written is still there if you compare old versions.
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you can EASILY get it back, just by looking at the history pages
every change and update going back years and years
possibly done by Binksternet on Sept 28, who indicates they are rolling changes way back, but for no reason at all provided.
perhaps you can 'undo' or challenge their edits
Thanks for the tip! It's back to normal and I suddenly feel much better!
UPDATE: Today they were switched back, but I switched them back again and explained what I did for both of them. Last time that I looked they've stayed that way.
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I seem to remember this same battle taking place a few years ago where someone kept changing and deleting information from the article. Looks like your stuff may have been removed again:
curprev 11:44, 6 October 2019 97.81.89.65 talk 15,857 bytes -14,399 Removed references to value, rarity, extended inside baseball on how to identify which series a card was published in, what constitutes a "complete" set, and references with no citations to business decisions made by Topps; numerous stylistic changes. I acknowledge that the information the author has amassed is extensive, and obviously the result of years of painstaking effort; but it is ultimately information for the serious hobbyist, while Wikipedia serves a much broader audience. undo
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I think the party changing it does have a point. A Wikipedia article shouldn’t necessarily have that level of detail. But that’s what’s annoying about Wikipedia, whose job is it to decide that?
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I think the party changing it does have a point. A Wikipedia article shouldn’t necessarily have that level of detail. But that’s what’s annoying about Wikipedia, whose job is it to decide that?
To me, that's the whole point of going to Wikipedia; details! smh.
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I seem to remember this same battle taking place a few years ago where someone kept changing and deleting information from the article. Looks like your stuff may have been removed again:
curprev 11:44, 6 October 2019 97.81.89.65 talk 15,857 bytes -14,399 Removed references to value, rarity, extended inside baseball on how to identify which series a card was published in, what constitutes a "complete" set, and references with no citations to business decisions made by Topps; numerous stylistic changes. I acknowledge that the information the author has amassed is extensive, and obviously the result of years of painstaking effort; but it is ultimately information for the serious hobbyist, while Wikipedia serves a much broader audience. undo
Last night I looked at it again. Yes, it's been changed again, but this time I like it.
This person kept the basics of my contributions and, though he removed many of the details, the gist of it was still there.
Now if only someone will do the same to the Underworld Unleashed article that I've contributed to and that someone seems dedicated to do the same thing to...
UPDATE: Correction: that someone stripped the Underworld Unleashed article down to the bare bones. Even the lists of superheroes, supervillains and comic book titles involved in it are all gone. Oh well, I tried...
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I think the party changing it does have a point. A Wikipedia article shouldn’t necessarily have that level of detail. But that’s what’s annoying about Wikipedia, whose job is it to decide that?
That's right - who's in charge there? And is it possible to go over someone's head if something like this does happen?
Well, I guess I'll never know.
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It won't let you "undo" the thing wholesale because there have been numerous edits since then; but if you want to restore parts of it all of what you had written is still there if you compare old versions.
Yes, and I'll soon copy my version off of a copy machine so that I can have a copy of the Underworld Unleashed article for myself, recent additions of mine to that version and all. Then I'll just switch it back to what it is now.
They can't keep me from doing that, even if they won't let me put the original version back.
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That's right - who's in charge there? And is it possible to go over someone's head if something like this does happen?
Well, I guess I'll never know.
There are ways to flag an article for moderator attention if it's being subject to vandalism, or if someone is constantly reverting changes; and they'll lock the article for awhile. I had to do this earlier this year when somebody was regularly (like, every few days) changing Ned Beatty's article to say he had died.
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Well, if you think of Wikipedia as an encyclopedia, which it is, the idea is to have a short article on everything. The Wacky Packages article really just needs to answer the question, "What are Wacky Packages?". People looking for more detailed info should be able to go to the referenced sources of the article. I imagine this is part of a broader push at the website to cut costs by trimming as many articles as possible. The larger a page, the more bandwidth it uses. I'm sure they really crack down on images but even text adds to bandwidth costs.
I'm surprised a university, government or other public institution hasn't tried to create a similar site that is supported by research like a traditional encyclopedia but is still free. There are paid online encyclopedias that are more trustworthy than Wikipedia and can safely be quoted in scholarly papers and such. As a former journalist, it cracks me up how many "news" articles I read that are basically a cut and paste from Wikipedia with a few sentences added.
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You'll never believe this, but the Underworld Unleashed Wikipedia article is back to normal - details and all!
Someone out there besides me likes it, obviously.
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Correction: some idiot once again replaced the original Underworld Unleashed article that had the details in it with a dumbed-down version with no details at all a long time ago!
Is there any way I can complain to someone in change, that is, if there's someone in charge at all?
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Correction: some idiot once again replaced the original Underworld Unleashed article that had the details in it with a dumbed-down version with no details at all a long time ago!
Is there any way I can complain to someone in change, that is, if there's someone in charge at all?
Why do I feel that in another WP forum somewhere, there is someone arguing the opposite side of this game of switch and switchback. :]
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Why do I feel that in another WP forum somewhere, there is someone arguing the opposite side of this game of switch and switchback. :]
I know someone known as Binksternet did it the first time, but I don't know who did it this time.
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I need a favor from you guys. It deals with the Wikipedia Wacky Packages article.
I put in a Note based on the article on the unpublished 5th Rerun series from Rusty Erpenbeck's website (lostwackys.com), but I don't know how to make it refer to the article.
If anyone here wants to fix this for me, please do so. It'd be a big help.
Thanks!
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Lostwackys is not run by Duane Dimock, but Rusty Erpenbeck
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Lostwackys is not run by Duane Dimock, but Rusty Erpenbeck
Thanks, Patrick; fixed.
Could you please help me with this thing?
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Bizarro World?
#StayWacky
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Thanks, Patrick; fixed.
Could you please help me with this thing?
I think you just need to look at one of the other citations, and edit your entry to have the same items in it
this one is for a website, just like you are trying to do:
<ref>{{cite web |url=http://wackypackages.org/stickers/6th_2007/ |title=Topps Wacky Packages 6th Series 2007 (ANS6) |publisher=Greg Grant |access-date=April 5, 2017 }}</ref>
this one is yours. Make yours in the same format as above.
<ref>"Wacky Packages Reissue Series Unpublished 5th Series" @ www.lostwackys.com/Lost-Wackys/1980--5th-series.htm. Rusty Erpenbeck.</ref>
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I think you just need to look at one of the other citations, and edit your entry to have the same items in it
this one is for a website, just like you are trying to do:
<ref>{{cite web |url=http://wackypackages.org/stickers/6th_2007/ |title=Topps Wacky Packages 6th Series 2007 (ANS6) |publisher=Greg Grant |access-date=April 5, 2017 }}</ref>
this one is yours. Make yours in the same format as above.
<ref>"Wacky Packages Reissue Series Unpublished 5th Series" @ www.lostwackys.com/Lost-Wackys/1980--5th-series.htm. Rusty Erpenbeck.</ref>
I tried to put it in just now and I just found out Rusty's site is on Wikipedia's blacklist!!! Now what am I doing to do??? I didn't know Wikipedia even had a blacklist!!! One of the things they say to do is put in another reference, but there isn't any other one on this subject that I know of!!! Help!!!
UPDATE: Well, I removed the Reference part. Now let's hope someone else doesn't alter it any more.
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I returned the Underworld Unleashed Wikipedia article to its original form plus my additions, only this time I gave a reasonable explanation as to why it should stay that way. To prove my point, I mentioned two other articles - Neron (DC Comics) and Hell (DC Comics) - that were also added to by me in a similar manner, but were - and have since been - left alone.
Well, here's hoping they get it right this time...
UPDATE: My restoration is still there as of now and seems to be holding. Let's just hope that it sticks now that I've thrown it against the wall again...
UPDATE 2: It seems to be staying there this time.
UPDATE 3: It's still the way it's supposed to be, only now it's got a notice on the top of the article saying it's got issues. Well, I'd better make a copy of it pretty soon before someone else screws it up or I won't have anything left of it at all.
UPDATE 4: Well, I finally got the print-out of the article. Btw, if anyone here wants to take a look-see at it, please, just Google Underworld Unleashed and see for yourselves. I think you'll find it's very good.
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Due to my reprinting the Underworld Unleashed article and some other petty things I won't go into, I've been given multiple blocks by those people on Wikipedia, and when I asked for answers to some questions I had on the subject today, one of them said I was being childish and had the gall to threaten to block me again!
I've tried to be nice about this, but it just makes me so mad! Every time I try to explain or ask questions, they won't listen to me. No, I have to do it their way or not at all. All this fuss over nothing!
Thanks for letting me vent, guys and gals. At least they can't get me over here. In fact, I'd just like to see them try it; I'd sure give them all a piece of my mind and hope they all choke on it.
Btw, the way I did apologize. I hope it works.
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I certainly understand your frustration with this process. That being said, this a prime example of why we teachers don't allow Wikipedia to be used for papers. It is not properly supervised, edited, peer reviewed, etc. Probably "most" of what is on Wikipedia is trustworthy, but it cannot be said to be 100% reliable. I tell students it is a good place to start, especially if you know nothing about a subject, and Wikipedia can give you names, places, facts, dates, etc., that can then be researched and verified by more credible sources.
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I certainly understand your frustration with this process. That being said, this a prime example of why we teachers don't allow Wikipedia to be used for papers. It is not properly supervised, edited, peer reviewed, etc. Probably "most" of what is on Wikipedia is trustworthy, but it cannot be said to be 100% reliable. I tell students it is a good place to start, especially if you know nothing about a subject, and Wikipedia can give you names, places, facts, dates, etc., that can then be researched and verified by more credible sources.
Thanks, friend. At least someone out there sympathizes with me.
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Maybe that person knew something...
There are ways to flag an article for moderator attention if it's being subject to vandalism, or if someone is constantly reverting changes; and they'll lock the article for awhile. I had to do this earlier this year when somebody was regularly (like, every few days) changing Ned Beatty's article to say he had died.
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Well, I finally admitted I was wrong, said I wouldn't do it again, and requested to be unblocked, but now I have to wait six months (which will be at least January 2022) and not even try to edit anything before they'll even consider unblocking me. Seriously, what idiot cooked up this tyrannical, despotic, dictatorial, draconian rule? Six months? That's unreasonable! I would've unblocked someone immediately and shown them I was, at least, an honorable man, which these people obviously are not.
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I certainly understand your frustration with this process. That being said, this a prime example of why we teachers don't allow Wikipedia to be used for papers. It is not properly supervised, edited, peer reviewed, etc. Probably "most" of what is on Wikipedia is trustworthy, but it cannot be said to be 100% reliable. I tell students it is a good place to start, especially if you know nothing about a subject, and Wikipedia can give you names, places, facts, dates, etc., that can then be researched and verified by more credible sources.
Sounds like Wikipedia would make a great source for a new WACKY parody, no? The most obvious "Wackipedia", aside, maybe "Whatduh?pedia", or "Wiki-lie-ta-ya", or "Fakeypedia", etc...
(If ANS series have already parodied it, then you're allowed to call me a Wacky "boomer" now, even though I'm actually a proud Gen-X.)
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Could someone please add information on OLDS 10 to the Old School section of the Wikipedia article on Wackys as soon as it becomes available?
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Well, I made an appeal to be unblocked on Wikipedia and it was denied.
I even tried to resolve the dispute recently, but I can't even get through to resolve it!
Here are the usernames of the Wikipedia users that have been doing this to me in one form or another since May 3, 2021:
*Binksternet (especially this one; in fact, this is the person who started all this in the first place),
*Guy Macon,
*Floquenbeam,
*Justlettersandnumbers,
*DB1729,
*331dot,
*Cullen328,
*Aa 77xx,
*Yalma,
*Jon Kolbert,
*NinjaRobotPirate,
*Jezebel's Ponyo,
*Izno,
*GorillaWarfare,
*Drmies,
*Deepfriedokra.
The last one was the one who denied my request.
If anyone knows any one of, or all of, these people and are also Wikipedia users, can you please put in a good word for me and tell them I want to talk about this? I can't even get on anyone's talk page any more to discuss anything with anyone. This inability to edit any mistakes I see is frustrating and I feel it's gone on far enough.
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Well, isn't anyone going to try to help me, or at least give me some advice on what to do here? Anyone at all?
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I have read this, and it stinks. I do not posses the required knowledge of technology, or Wiki procedures, to help…
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How does one delete one's account(s) and sever all ties with these monsters?
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How does one delete one's account(s) and sever all ties with these monsters?
Stop reading the page?
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Stop reading the page?
Yes, maybe, but I'd just like to wipe the slate clean just to spite them all. Then, maybe I can go back to editing without even having an account. That'll put them in their place for sure.
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Now I just found out I've been banned on Wikipedia and they didn't even have the decency to tell me to my face! Now what do I do? I can't even make an appeal to be unbanned, or delete my account so I can start all over again! This isn't fair! Who are the dummies behind this spiteful treatment and why are they doing this to me?
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Now I just found out I've been banned on Wikipedia and they didn't even have the decency to tell me to my face! Now what do I do? I can't even make an appeal to be unbanned, or delete my account so I can start all over again!
How are they banning you? By IP address? If not, then what's to stop you from just creating a new account as John Smith and editing away? If they are, what's to stop you from using a proxy service to spoof your IP? It seems like nothing on the Internet is impenetrable if you know how to get around it.
Excuse my naivety; I've never considered editing a wiki page, so I have no idea how the process works.
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How are they banning you? By IP address? If not, then what's to stop you from just creating a new account as John Smith and editing away? If they are, what's to stop you from using a proxy service to spoof your IP? It seems like nothing on the Internet is impenetrable if you know how to get around it.
Excuse my naivety; I've never considered editing a wiki page, so I have no idea how the process works.
They've blocked my ability to create a new account as well. I've got no choice but to hope someone on there takes pity on me and decides to un-ban me.
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They've blocked my ability to create a new account as well. I've got no choice but to hope someone on there takes pity on me and decides to un-ban me.
With all the editing work you do for greg's site and given he has time to fight ebay for weeks about a $30 item he didn't receive in a timely manner from someone who died of covid, can't he help you with this fight?
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Now some idiot took off my addition of OLDS 10 to the OLDS section of the Wikipedia article!
I WANT SOMEONE TO PUT THAT ADDITION BACK IN AND I WANT IT DONE NOW!!!!! I'M SICK AND TIRED OF THIS!!!!! CAN'T SOMEONE PLEASE HELP ME? I'M DOING ALL THIS AT A PUBLIC LIBRARY, FOR HEAVEN'S SAKE! HOW DO THEY KNOW IT'S ME, BLAST IT?
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Save a copy of whatever you type. You could even post it on this thread. If they remove it, copy and paste it back. Don’t waste your time with these additions if you know this will be the result.
And, for the record, I doubt it has to do with you. Rather someone likely wrote most of the article and doesn’t like that someone is editing it. Stupid, but might be the case.
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Now some idiot took off my addition of OLDS 10 to the OLDS section of the Wikipedia article!
I WANT SOMEONE TO PUT THAT ADDITION BACK IN AND I WANT IT DONE NOW!!!!! I'M SICK AND TIRED OF THIS!!!!! CAN'T SOMEONE PLEASE HELP ME? I'M DOING ALL THIS AT A PUBLIC LIBRARY, FOR HEAVEN'S SAKE! HOW DO THEY KNOW IT'S ME, BLAST IT?
It is fairly obvious to me that greg's additions stay since under external links, his mall has a stand alone link and there is no way a for sale dedicated page is informative and priority. The way he talks to you on his forum should give you some insight into his level of disrespect he has for you so not sure why you keep coming here yelling at people in all caps. Go find out from him how his changes stay yet your changes do not.
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I must admit I don’t understand how Wikipedia works. Who is ultimately in charge of how a given page should be? If anyone can truly edit these pages, there will never be a consistent feel to the articles.
I just read the wacky Wikipedia page, and it seems well written and appropriate as it is. A decision has been made (by someone) on what level of detail is appropriate, and that seems to be consistently enforced. There is no detailed information about any ANS series. Rather, certain facts that are deemed interesting about ANS are included.
Who made these judgments, or where their authority comes from, I don’t understand. But you should understand that things you add will not necessarily be consistent with that feel, and may not be appropriate for a page like this.
Wouldn’t it be better for you to write your own history of wackys? Then you can include whatever level of detail you wish and you will be free from all of these worries.
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It is fairly obvious to me that greg's additions stay since under external links, his mall has a stand alone link and there is no way a for sale dedicated page is informative and priority. The way he talks to you on his forum should give you some insight into his level of disrespect he has for you so not sure why you keep coming here yelling at people in all caps. Go find out from him how his changes stay yet your changes do not.
What in the world are you talking about? And what do you mean by that crack about "how he talks to [me] on his forum"? This is the Wikipedia Wacky Packages article I'm talking about, not Greg's forum. Besides, I did the all caps because I was angry at the situation.
Besides, Greg's been nothing but good to me. If it wasn't for him, I'd never have finished the Wacky Packages Boxes run (remind me to tell you guys and gals that story sometime; it's a very good one). For that, I owe him a debt I can never repay.
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What do you mean "how he talks to you on his forum"? This is the Wikipedia Wacky Packages article I'm talking about, not Greg's forum. Besides, I did the all caps because I was angry.
Besides, Greg's been nothing but good to me. If it wasn't for him, I'd never have finished the Wacky Packages Boxes run (remind me to tell you guys and gals that story sometime; it's a very good one). For that, I owe him a debt I can never repay.
If it weren’t for him you couldn’t have finished the ‘Wacky Packages Boxes’ run? More accurately, if it weren’t for him, that set of cards would not exist. Because he made it, it’s one of his bootleg / knock-off sets. And he charges a lot for them. You owe him a debt you can never repay? C’mon, you can’t be serious.
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Okay, you want to hear the story I mentioned above? You got it, brother.
I was buying each one of the series at $35.00 (I had told Greg I was unemployed and we came to a mutual agreement). A few series in, my father said that it wasn't practical and I couldn't afford it (even though I was paying for for it out of my own money (allowances and money I earned from odd jobs), so he said I couldn't do it.
When I told Greg about this, he got an idea: continue proofreading his web site for him (which I was already doing for him before I decided to buy these series) and he'd help me finish the run where I'd been told to stop, which he did. And he sent me multiple series at once (four at a time four times and then the last three one time), both when I was paying for them and when I wasn't. As a result, I've got all 19 series in the run plus an unexpected surprise - the original checklist puzzle for the Bonus Pack series, which was originally going to have nine stickers in it, but was changed to 11 stickers instead. He didn't have to do that last part - indeed, he could've chosen not to tell me about the original Bonus Pack checklist puzzle at all - but he did it anyway.
And what do you mean by that crack about their being bootlegs? C'mon, even Patrick (Fanatical_and_Sickly) helped him create this series. Where could this artwork possibly have come from to be bootlegged, anyway? Besides, I've already said (and thought, in this case) that this run was the least offensive of all the sets he's offered on his forum. You all know what I'm talking about: the Lost Wackys 1st Series and 2nd Series are both praised to high Heaven (and even make it into the Master Spreadsheet) while the Lost Wackys 3rd Series, 4th Series and 2020 Series, plus the Wacky Pack Variations series, are all treated like redheaded stepchildren. At least Wacky Packages Boxes can't be yelled at for stealing or altering someone else's artwork, the former in the case of the three Lost Wackys series and the latter in the case of the Varations run.
To me, this all seems like a perfect example of the pot calling the kettle black.
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Maybe you should "proffread" your own posts...
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Maybe you should "proffread" your own posts...
I did; it's fixed. Point made.
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And what do you mean by that crack about their being bootlegs? C'mon, even Patrick (Fanatical_and_Sickly) helped him create this series.
Ok, so he helped you out in exchange for doing some work on his website. Fair enough.
And yes, as far as the bootleg/knockoff comment, the “boxes” set is only a series of photos of boxes, hardly anything scandalous. But NINETEEN series of nothing but box photos? That’s insane. It must have every hobby box, bonus box, gravity feed, etc to go along with the vintage stuff. If all you want is images of boxes, the Gallery (Argyropolous book) has everything through 1991 (granted the book is no longer an easy find but should still be attainable), and any number of box completists on this forum have the actual boxes of everything from the ANS era, if you’ve been in this hobby long enough the opportunity to get all or nearly all of them was well within reach. If you’re just entering the hobby now and want all these images, i guess have at it. Do I expect to see each ‘series’ listed in a Beckett price guide for $35 or more? Not likely.
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Ok, so he helped you out in exchange for doing some work on his website. Fair enough.
And yes, as far as the bootleg/knockoff comment, the “boxes” set is only a series of photos of boxes, hardly anything scandalous. But NINETEEN series of nothing but box photos? That’s insane. It must have every hobby box, bonus box, gravity feed, etc to go along with the vintage stuff. If all you want is images of boxes, the Gallery (Argyropolous book) has everything through 1991 (granted the book is no longer an easy find but should still be attainable), and any number of box completists on this forum have the actual boxes of everything from the ANS era, if you’ve been in this hobby long enough the opportunity to get all or nearly all of them was well within reach. If you’re just entering the hobby now and want all these images, i guess have at it. Do I expect to see each ‘series’ listed in a Beckett price guide for $35 or more? Not likely.
Actually, it was every kind of box that was available at the time the run was made. And two of the boxes were never released - the lost 1992 Series and the Star Wars Wacky Packages series - so they were represented by existing artwork of them (and before anyone asks, no, I've got no idea where those two came from).
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What in the world are you talking about? And what do you mean by that crack about "how he talks to [me] on his forum"? This is the Wikipedia Wacky Packages article I'm talking about, not Greg's forum. Besides, I did the all caps because I was angry at the situation.
Besides, Greg's been nothing but good to me. If it wasn't for him, I'd never have finished the Wacky Packages Boxes run (remind me to tell you guys and gals that story sometime; it's a very good one). For that, I owe him a debt I can never repay.
Ok so you have massive ocd in proof reading and updating stuff but you don't actually comprehend what is being said, fair enough....I have been told he scolds you like a child on a regular basis on his forum. My point was his updates DO stay on the wiki page so doesn't it seem logical to find out why his updates stay and yours don't? Perhaps have him put your updates up as part of the "favors" you do for each other. HAND him over this JOB in exchange for further testing of his bug ridden wacky mall.
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Ok so you have massive ocd in proof reading and updating stuff but you don't actually comprehend what is being said, fair enough....I have been told he scolds you like a child on a regular basis on his forum. My point was his updates DO stay on the wiki page so doesn't it seem logical to find out why his updates stay and yours don't? Perhaps have him put your updates up as part of the "favors" you do for each other. HAND him over this JOB in exchange for further testing of his bug ridden wacky mall.
I never saw Greg "scold [me] like a child on a regular basis on his forum". Who told you that, and where has it been done? I must have proof of this, and you'll forgive me if I'm skeptical, seeing as how I know you don't like him and he doesn't like you. I would prefer not to get caught in the middle of this feud.
And btw, I'm not helping him with the mall, just the website pages.
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I never saw Greg "scold [me] like a child on a regular basis on his forum". Who told you that, and where has it been done? I must have proof of this, and you'll forgive me if I'm skeptical, seeing as how I know you don't like him and he doesn't like you. I would prefer not to get caught in the middle of this feud.
And btw, I'm not helping him with the mall, just the website pages.
LOL, you MUST have proof of this? His posts are directly to you so if you are not aware enough to see it as scolding, how do I prove it to you? Now you habitually keep skipping the main question perhaps because the answer WILL PROVE to you greg's disdain for you....since you like caps, here goes....WHY ARE YOU NOT ASKING GREG TO MAKE THE UPDATES ON WIKI FOR YOU SINCE HIS UPDATES CLEARLY GET APPROVED?
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LOL, you MUST have proof of this? His posts are directly to you so if you are not aware enough to see it as scolding, how do I prove it to you? Now you habitually keep skipping the main question perhaps because the answer WILL PROVE to you greg's disdain for you....since you like caps, here goes....WHY ARE YOU NOT ASKING GREG TO MAKE THE UPDATES ON WIKI FOR YOU SINCE HIS UPDATES CLEARLY GET APPROVED?
I already did; no need to get your bowels in an uproar. He said he's teaching now, but he knows it has to be done and will do it when he can. He didn't scold me at all.
You can prove it to me by showing me where the scolding is on his forum. What pages have this scolding? It sounds to me as if you're talking through your hat. I don't hardly talk on that forum unless I see something to comment on, I talk to him directly on his personal email. And he's been nothing but a gentleman. He appreciates what I'm doing for him. He told me that he never deletes any and all of his email messages, so as long as Google stays in business, he's got every typo I've given him up to now which, I must say, is an enormous number.
In fact, it's so enormous it'll probably take months, maybe years, to get it all done, but I've looked through all the pages on the web site and I believe I've got practically all of the typos that have been on there for quite some time after it was created. Anything else after all that is just checking on new pages and new additions whenever they pop up...which isn't, and hasn't been, often. Besides, I don't mind. I'm in no hurry. In fact, I've got nothing but time.
And another thing, what specific edits did he make on the Wikipedia article on Wacky Packages? I didn't notice anything different from what was already on there before. Again, let's see some proof to back up your statements. It's only fair.
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I already did; no need to get your bowels in an uproar. He said he's teaching now, but he knows it has to be done and will do it when he can. He didn't scold me at all.
You can prove it to me by showing me where the scolding is on his forum. What pages have this scolding? It sounds to me as if you're talking through your hat. I don't hardly talk on that forum unless I see something to comment on, I talk to him directly on his personal email. And he's been nothing but a gentleman. He appreciates what I'm doing for him. He told me that he never deletes any and all of his email messages, so as long as Google stays in business, he's got every typo I've given him up to now which, I must say, is an enormous amount.
In fact, it's so enormous it'll probably take months, maybe years, to get it all done, but I've looked through all the pages on the web site and I believe I've got practically all of the typos that have been on there for quite some time after it was created. Anything else after all that is just checking on new pages and new additions whenever they pop up...which isn't, and hasn't been, often. Besides, I don't mind. I'm in no hurry. In fact, I've got nothing but time.
And another thing, what specific edits did he make on the Wikipedia article on Wacky Packages? I didn't notice anything different from what was already on there before. Again, let's see some proof to back up your statements. It's only fair.
Well this makes perfect sense....for months you have been trying to update Wiki....but greg is teaching now that school has started again and well he just doesn't have the time so run along......I have no doubt you have provided him an enormous amount(actually "number" since itemized items aren't measured in amounts....) of typos for greg to cleanup. I am sure it is like finding leaves on the ground in the fall.....
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I can remember at least two instances where Greg was not so polite to you on his forum:
https://wackypacks.com/forum/messages.php?mode=&a=1&t=118&mn=11&stealth=
https://wackypacks.com/forum/messages.php?mode=u&a=1&t=23&mn=98&stealth=
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So for those of us in the class that don’t have a log-in for that forum, what did he say?
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I can remember at least two instances where Greg was not so polite to you on his forum:
https://wackypacks.com/forum/messages.php?mode=&a=1&t=118&mn=11&stealth=
https://wackypacks.com/forum/messages.php?mode=u&a=1&t=23&mn=98&stealth=
Yuppers, I have been told there are many more examples. Then I heard recently that greg is just admonishing everyone in class not just Mikecho for not responding to newbie posts when greg isn't available and that wacky mall was just a test of us peons and that his real intent is to take the mall to GPK and other real collector groups. We are mere peasants! Who knew?
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I can recall one incident in which he scolded you for asking one too many times about the status of one of his projects. Can’t remember which one, maybe the handwritten ‘Jay Lynch manuscript’ which he was looking to possibly convert to typeset for eventual publication? Not the best example though, IMO he was kind of justified for laying into you a little bit. You were being a bit of a nudge on the subject, kind of like . . . . . Wikipedia.
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Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: "What is your major malfunction, numbnuts? Didn't Mommy and Daddy show you enough attention when you were a child?"
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Ermey rules!
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I can remember at least two instances where Greg was not so polite to you on his forum:
https://wackypacks.com/forum/messages.php?mode=&a=1&t=118&mn=11&stealth=
https://wackypacks.com/forum/messages.php?mode=u&a=1&t=23&mn=98&stealth=
Greg is such a petulant child! I can't even login as "guest". This is the first time I've tried in a few decades just because I was curious to see these links.
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... so as long as Google stays in business, he's got every typo I've given him up to now which, I must say, is an enormous number.
In fact, it's so enormous it'll probably take months, maybe years, to get it all done ...
Do you have ANY IDEA how RIDICULOUS you sound?
"I'm just saying....I've found google errors....googleplex errors! It will take several lifetimes to correct them! I am the GOD of typos!!!! "
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I can remember at least two instances where Greg was not so polite to you on his forum:
https://wackypacks.com/forum/messages.php?mode=&a=1&t=118&mn=11&stealth=
https://wackypacks.com/forum/messages.php?mode=u&a=1&t=23&mn=98&stealth=
From: char_boy
To: mikecho
Posted: Thursday 9:50 am, June 9, 2022
message 118.11 in reply to 118.9
Can you explain why you needed to post that quote from the maggot in order to ask my advice on wikipedia?
What do you think would have happened had you simply asked me without posting that quote?
Obviously you posted that not to justify you asking me about wikipedia - because you could have simply just asked anyway - but because you wanted to post it, probably just to stir up friction?
If you're going to be slimy, you really have to be less transparent about it. You have to be smart to be devious, otherwise you just look ... well, devious.
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I can remember at least two instances where Greg was not so polite to you on his forum:
https://wackypacks.com/forum/messages.php?mode=&a=1&t=118&mn=11&stealth=
https://wackypacks.com/forum/messages.php?mode=u&a=1&t=23&mn=98&stealth=
From: char_boy
To: mikecho
Posted: Thursday 10:01 am, May 26, 2022
message 23.98 in reply to 23.97
Well you posted on May 16th "I think there should a second edition of the Jay Lynch Wacky Sketches book with the Battle Caps sketch put in. I sure want it!"
And I replied "I said I was going to do that this year"
Then you posted nine days later "I just got a great idea! Why not include the missing Battle Caps Wacky sketch in this book?"
So saying you "just got" a great idea that you already posted nine days ago and already got a reply to is right in line with a lot of things you do that qualify as "nagging".
I think people have tried to tell you quite a few times that you do this kind of thing, but it never seems to sink in.
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I never saw Greg "scold [me] like a child on a regular basis on his forum". Who told you that, and where has it been done? I must have proof of this, and you'll forgive me if I'm skeptical, seeing as how I know you don't like him and he doesn't like you. I would prefer not to get caught in the middle of this feud.
And btw, I'm not helping him with the mall, just the website pages.
So now a small subset of the messages I was referring to have been posted here and links provided. Be sure there are many more but finding and posting them I believe we will see is a waste of time because I believe you read his messages to you thru some kind of rose colored glasses. Don't feel bad you are not alone as others here have been publicly scolded by greg in front of other collectors at non sport shows yet they give him the benefit of the doubt at every turn..
Wondering if you will do something unusual and give direct answer to a direct question, do you really believe greg was not scolding you in these messages?
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All right, all right, if you want me to drop him, I'll drop him. Besides, I think I've found everything anyway.
UPDATE: I just deleted all the messages by him and to him on my email.
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All right, all right, if you want me to drop him, I'll drop him. Besides, I think I've found everything anyway.
UPDATE: I just deleted all the messages by him and to him on my email.
Why not do what you want to do rather than being influenced by others?
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Greg is such a petulant child! I can't even login as "guest". This is the first time I've tried in a few decades just because I was curious to see these links.
I tried to login as "guest" and it didn't work either. Maybe the site no longer allows that option.
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All right, all right, if you want me to drop him, I'll drop him. Besides, I think I've found everything anyway.
UPDATE: I just deleted all the messages by him and to him on my email.
Drop who? Nobody is "telling" you to do anything. I asked numerous times given your believed tight relationship with greg why haven't you asked greg to make your wikipedia updates. I asked because you incessantly bring up your issues with Wikipedia.
After months of your not answering, I highlighted for you that greg is definitely not respectful to you in his posts on his forum to the point he scolds you like a child so that perhaps explains why he hasn't done this for you given you have spent what appears to be thousands of man hours finding a year worth of mistakes on greg's website. Many others clearly agree about greg's tone with you and provided examples here.
How you decided to react to that is up to you.
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I tried to login as "guest" and it didn't work either. Maybe the site no longer allows that option.
"allows" suggests intent. It could be greg's intent to not allow guests any more or it could be one of the many "bugs" he hasn't addressed but yes, the guest login hasn't worked for a very long time.
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Drop who? Nobody is "telling" you to do anything. I asked numerous times given your believed tight relationship with greg why haven't you asked greg to make your wikipedia updates. I asked because you incessantly bring up your issues with Wikipedia.
After months of your not answering, I highlighted for you that greg is definitely not respectful to you in his posts on his forum to the point he scolds you like a child so that perhaps explains why he hasn't done this for you given you have spent what appears to be thousands of man hours finding a year worth of mistakes on greg's website. Many others clearly agree about greg's tone with you and provided examples here.
How you decided to react to that is up to you.
Can you please show where Greg "scolds [me] like a child" on his forum? I'm curious as to how you ever got that notion into your head.
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Can you please show where Greg "scolds [me] like a child" on his forum? I'm curious as to how you ever got that notion into your head.
why would I possibly do that again? I stand corrected, greg was completely in the right with his criticisms of you...if your bringing up this thread from so long ago is not enough evidence for you on top of the quotes in this thread... I cant help you.
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Do you realize what you're doing? You're holding a grudge, which is like you taking poison and expecting your enemy to die.
This irrational hatred on your part is hurting no one but yourself and if you don't let it go now, it'll destroy you in the end. Take my advice, it just isn't worth it.
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Do you realize what you're doing? You're holding a grudge, which is like you taking poison and expecting your enemy to die.
This irrational hatred on your part is hurting no one but yourself and if you don't let it go now, it'll destroy you in the end. Take my advice, it just isn't worth it.
....um, you dug up a thread that was dead for like 7 months....who won't let what go? If you think I think about you other than when you make dumb posts like this......guess again, you don't exist to me, no grudges no nothing.....
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....um, you dug up a thread that was dead for like 7 months....who won't let what go? If you think I think about you other than when you make dumb posts like this......guess again, you don't exist to me, no grudges no nothing.....
I'm sorry. I've tried to be nice to you. I've tried to be reasonable. I can see now it's all in vain. You've set your course; I'm powerless to alter it. But I don't know how you can live with yourself when you act like this. You don't even know me and yet you're treating me like dirt. I'm not doing the same thing to you, so which one of us is the better man here, you or I?
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I'm sorry. I've tried to be nice to you. I've tried to be reasonable. I can see now it's all in vain. You've set your course; I'm powerless to alter it. But I don't know how you can live with yourself when you act like this. You don't even know me and yet you're treating me like dirt. I'm not doing the same thing to you, so which one of us is the better man here, you or I?
I've gotta go with Ernie on this. You dug up something from 6 months ago, looking to start up an argument! I am officially locking this thread.