Wacky Packages Forum
Trading Post => Sell Wacky Packages => Topic started by: wacky1 on June 03, 2016, 08:27:44 PM
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I have located a Run Tony with Red Ludlow back. No writing on back or front, decent centering, vg condition.
Also, I located a second series Gloom, Black Ludlow back-excellent condition, no creases or writing on back or front.
Same for a Log Cave In, Red Ludlow back.
Values anyone? They are scarce, especially the Run Tony.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
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Value varies widely as they cooled at one point and were barely getting $20, then a wave of buyers hit and they went higher. Ebay is your best guide, take the time to watch 2nd series Ludlow auctions to see the fluctuations.
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Thanks for your time!
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Thanks for your time!
Boy does this thread bring back a great memory for me, Back in 1999 I was at a local baseball card shop and was picking through a big white cardboard box that had a lot of non-sport cards in it and I came across a black Ludlow of Run Tony, Paid .25 for it and sold it for $50. Then at a flea market not too long after that, I located about 4 2nd series red Ludlow backs, Paid $4 each and got them for about the same price as the RT.
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I found these in a box of baseball cards. I was surprised to see these Ludlow backs, especially the Run Tony. There are none up on ebay right now with the Ludlow back, so I assume they are pretty hard to find. In fact, I don't see hardly any Ludlow backs on ebay right now.
I may send these to psa just for giggles.
I foolishly marked the backs on many of my original wacky's when I was a kid. What a stupid move!
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Look at completed auctions for Ludlow values. Post a pic of the Ludlows you have and people here can let you know if they're worth sending to psa.
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I paid $98 in 2-2013 for mine - Good or bad, hope that helps,
Richard
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I don't think I would send that Run Tony to PSA what with the corners being in the shape that they're in.
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Where's the red ludlow?
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The faded ones are red, unless I am blind or they are black and I am exceptionally color blind.
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None of them look red to me.
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None of them look red to me.
Its all a moot point, these are not PSA grade worthy, many corners are rounded or blunted.
http://www.wackypackage.com/Wacky%20Packs/GradingGuide/gradeguide.html
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Yes, I re-examined the color-it appears the faded ones are black.
Thanks to all of you folks for your opinions--I appreciate it!!!
Nice set of series 16 on ebay now-at $910.
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Yes, I re-examined the color-it appears the faded ones are black.
Thanks to all of you folks for your opinions--I appreciate it!!!
Nice set of series 16 on ebay now-at $910.
You the seller of the series 16 set?
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No, but I am debating whether to win it.
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No, but I am debating whether to win it.
I am not so sure you control the outcome
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Right. I could simply overwhelm the bid assuming money is not an issue.
What do you think it is worth?
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AH, you must be the high bidder??
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It will go for over 1500.00. Leslie will be happy with the results
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1500 seems way over the top, considering that none are psa graded?
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AH, you must be the high bidder??
At $910 I was the high bidder. Now I'm out. Too rich for my blood as they say. I believe Mr. Leonard is correct as I guessed it would go to around $1800 with the puzzle being there.
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At $910 I was the high bidder. Now I'm out. Too rich for my blood as they say. I believe Mr. Leonard is correct as I guessed it would go to around $1800 with the puzzle being there.
Tough call since almost 1/2 of the stickers have significant "tilt." It will be interesting to see if that has any effect on the final price.
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AH, you must be the high bidder??
I have not bid on the lot at all nor do I plan to. I am too busy scooping up cheap buy it nows.
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At $910 I was the high bidder. Now I'm out. Too rich for my blood as they say. I believe Mr. Leonard is correct as I guessed it would go to around $1800 with the puzzle being there.
Don't forget there is a scoot no copyright in there also. Also the right side puzzle pieces look real good. I stand by my 1500 final price
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Would the winning bidder be well-advised to send all this to PSA?
I see at least 1 that is (oc).
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Would the winning bidder be well-advised to send all this to PSA?
I see at least 1 that is (oc).
I would advise sending most, if not all, of these to PSA. Mostly because of the "tilt" that Bill mentioned plus the centering issues on some. And, don't foget, you can't see the corners in those pictures well enough to see if there is significant "fraying."
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I would advise sending most, if not all, of these to PSA. Mostly because of the "tilt" that Bill mentioned plus the centering issues on some. And, don't foget, you can't see the corners in those pictures well enough to see if there is significant "fraying."
Brian, I'm confused. Wouldn't the centering/tilt/yellowing/wear and other issues with these mean it might not be worth sending to PSA? You say the new owner should send them? What am I missing?
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Brian, I'm confused. Wouldn't the centering/tilt/yellowing/wear and other issues with these mean it might not be worth sending to PSA? You say the new owner should send them? What am I missing?
Tom, I think he's talking about the series 16 set that just sold on the Bay.
Jim
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Tom, I think he's talking about the series 16 set that just sold on the Bay.
Jim
I understand that. What I don't is why you'd send basically lower-to-mid grade cards to PSA.
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I understand that. What I don't is why you'd send basically lower-to-mid grade cards to PSA.
I share your confusion on this dialogue
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Brian, I'm confused. Wouldn't the centering/tilt/yellowing/wear and other issues with these mean it might not be worth sending to PSA? You say the new owner should send them? What am I missing?
Seems I should proofread stuff I type before I post it. I meant to say that I would advise AGAINST sending any of these to PSA. Said with a sheepish grin on my face. Sorry for the confusion.
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Seems I should proofread stuff I type before I post it. I meant to say that I would advise AGAINST sending any of these to PSA. Said with a sheepish grin on my face. Sorry for the confusion.
That was my exact thought at first, but I got too confused to post.
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Seems I should proofread stuff I type before I post it. I meant to say that I would advise AGAINST sending any of these to PSA. Said with a sheepish grin on my face. Sorry for the confusion.
I rather suspected that was what happened (a missing word or something similar), but it does show that proofreading posts is a good idea, as one can only interpret the words that are there.
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So in all the learned opinions I see here, these cards are not to be sent to psa. Is the prevailing opinion that only nm-mt cards should be sent to be graded? And anything less than nm (for example ex-mt) is foolish?
And what is the thinking here on that theory.
Regale me with the concept.
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So in all the learned opinions I see here, these cards are not to be sent to psa. Is the prevailing opinion that only nm-mt cards should be sent to be graded? And anything less than nm (for example ex-mt) is foolish?
And what is the thinking here on that theory.
Regale me with the concept.
Why are you letting others dictate whether these should be sent to PSA? Start with this, what is your motive in sending to PSA, for value, to protect them, because you hate displaying them nicely in binders for easy review?
Everyone chiming in is purely speaking from the value point of view ie you will get low to mid grades with off center qualifiers hence not "worth" the money.
What is important to you?
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Well said Tom,
I have NEVER sent anything to the PSA Paparazzi.... I have some PSA graded stuff, but I keep mine safe and out of the hands of little people, and the more valuable stuff is in hard magnetic cases.
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So in all the learned opinions I see here, these cards are not to be sent to psa. Is the prevailing opinion that only nm-mt cards should be sent to be graded? And anything less than nm (for example ex-mt) is foolish?
And what is the thinking here on that theory.
Regale me with the concept.
I'm not even sure at this point which stickers we're talking about. I'm new to PSA, but basically, what I've been considering is the value of the sticker - is it worth spending up to $15 to grade a fairly common sticker in mid-grade condition that's probably worth just a few bucks raw, when there are grade 6's on ebay for $10? Not to me, but it might be to someone else. With ludlows, there have been some fakes, so maybe grading a lower condition sticker makes sense just to verify authenticity. And, then there's protection as a consideration - I am considering submitting my mid-grade die-cuts even though they might get 6's because I think they are less likely to pop perfs if encapsulated.
It comes down to what you are looking to accomplish.
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I'm not even sure at this point which stickers we're talking about... With ludlows, there have been some fakes, so maybe grading a lower condition sticker makes sense just to verify authenticity... And, then there's protection as a consideration - I am considering submitting my mid-grade die-cuts even though they might get 6's because I think they are less likely to pop perfs if encapsulated.
I believe we're still focusing on Leslie's Series 16 set on eBay. As to verification of authenticity, I'd not trust PSA to accurately do that with Wackys, anyway. Remember, they are not called PNSA. Slabbing die-cuts to help preserve their physical integrity makes sense, really...but you could buy your own slabs/holders and save the PSA expense, yes?
Just to add my two cents on the overall PSA thing: I don't see me ever using them for my keepers, but I have of late bought some PSA 7 and higher graded Wackys as upgrades, mostly because I feel comfortable that when I crack it out, it'll really be a good upgrade. Even if I WAS a PSA guy, I wouldn't send Leslie's 16s in; not high enough quality, IMO.
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Thanks again for the input! I am familiar with Psa through baseball card collecting.
Generally, Psa graded items generate better sales results than ungraded items.
I was specifically referring to the 16 series on eBay. But I am thinking of sending the Ludlow backs in to Psa.
I am not pimping Psa, but preservation of nice cards and/or Wacky packs seems like a logical step if it makes financial sense.
Re-selling them in the future is always a prime consideration as I am not going to be buried with my cards/coins.
Thanks for the input!!
Richard
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Holy crap-someone paid $2225 for the 16th series on eBay just now!
Someone has money to burn!
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Holy crap-someone paid $2225 for the 16th series on eBay just now!
Someone has money to burn!
Told ya it would go over 1500.00😀
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Holy crap-someone paid $2225 for the 16th series on eBay just now!
Someone has money to burn!
well, as the auction says, they're 'SOLD OUT', so you can longer just go into any convenience store and easily buy them off the shelf like you could 40 years ago :^)
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All I can say is WOW". I thought around $1800 and even that was what I thought was on the high end. Wish I had a set to sell. :^) ;)
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well, as the auction says, they're 'SOLD OUT', so you can longer just go into any convenience store and easily buy them off the shelf like you could 40 years ago :^)
'79 & '80 reissues are 'SOLD OUT' too ;)
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All I can say is WOW". I thought around $1800 and even that was what I thought was on the high end. Wish I had a set to sell. :^) ;)
Ditto on the "WOW"
($1,800) That's about where I thought it would end too on the optimistic side if people were including the value of the puzzle in the lot. Sometimes when you sell stuff together it doesn't always come out to the sum of the parts.
It was a shocker more from the standpoint that there were "condition issues" with at least 1/2 the set. Looks like they're getting scarce enough that people are starting to think - any copy is better than no copy at all, and condition is becoming secondary. I wonder if 16th wackys in much nicer condition will command even more of a premium, or if condition isn't as big a factor as it is elsewhere.
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I think the "high grade premium" is less for 16ths than other series because a much larger percentage of existing 16ths are high grade, being from recently opened boxes. For example, a 1st series PSA 9 probably sells for 10-20 times a mid grade raw copy, while PSA 9 16ths are only around 3 times a typical raw copy.