Greetings to the Wacky package Forum group

[Rabanv]

Hello.I have not been on Wacky Packages Forum for a few years now.I hope everyone who is into Wacky packages collecting is doing very well.I actually saw on Ebay two 1967 Ratz crackers unpunched die cuts going for two different prices.One dealer is asking $3,000.000 and the other dealer is asking for almost $10,000.000. IT might offend some wacky collectors  seeing a extremely high price of nearly $10,000.000 but the circulation of these die cuts is so small now that there is probably very few of them available now.If I understand correctly,back in 1967 when Toops Chewing Gum company was threatened by Nabisco Company  to stop printing the Cracked Animals and Ratz die cuts ,there was probably only 200 die cuts that were printed of Ratz and 200 die cuts that were printed of Cracked Animals before the circulation was stopped.I could be somewhat wrong. Feel free to correct me if I might be somewhat incorrect in what I just said.I am by no means the answer man.I am always ready to learn something new.

[Rabanv]

Hello.I hope everyone is doing well.I have not been on the Wacky package forum for a few years now.I hope the Wacky sticker collectors are all doing well.Has anyone seen on Ebay a 1967 RATZ UNPUNCHED DIE CUT GOING FOR 3,000.000 AND ANOTHER ONE GOING FOR ALMOST $10,000.000.It might be offensive to some Wacky package collectors seeing a unpunched Ratz die cut going for nearly $10,000.000 but the thing that we need to remember is that because it is a discontinued die cut like the 1967 Cracked Animals die cut,the circulation was so small  due to both die cuts being discontinued  because of Nabisco company threatening to sue Topps chewing Cum company ,there is probably very few of these left available.If Anyone needs to correct me on what I just said,please feel free to add your replies.I always enjoy learning something new.Thanks a lot.

[bigtomi]

I am always ready to learn something new.

I’d like to learn something: why did you hijack this member’s thread looking for a card to bring up Ratz and Cracked?

[Plastered Peanut]

I’d like to learn something: why did you hijack this member’s thread looking for a card to bring up Ratz and Cracked?

same exact question I had when I saw this.   very bizarre.   10,000 dollars.   right.

[Rabanv]

I need to explain something.I did not hijack the previous thread of someone elses post.that was a accident on my part.I thought I was posted on the board.I am really sorry about that.How can I remove that post?

[Fanatical_and_Sickly]

I need to explain something.I did not hijack the previous thread of someone elses post.that was a accident on my part.I thought I was posted on the board.I am really sorry about that.How can I remove that post?

No worries.
It’s been moved from the other thread and merged to this thread.

[Rabanv]

Hey,thank you so much for fixing my post being on someone else's thread.I really appreciate that.I will be much more careful in the future to not make that same mistake again.

[Plastered Peanut]

Hey,thank you so much for fixing my post being on someone else's thread.I really appreciate that.I will be much more careful in the future to not make that same mistake again.

Welcome to the forum.

I had to see this Ratz for 10 grand you mentioned, and I owe you an apology for my quick disbelief when I first read about it. 

A little digging around on ebay found this buy-it-now auction:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/364592331300

10 grand for a Ratz is way out of the ball park.   It looks like this has been listed since November of 2023.   It will probably stay listed for a very long time at that price.

You can't really gauge the price of something looking at "buy-it-now" prices on ebay.   Just take a look at the gems gathered in the "Are These People Nuts?" thread (as a newbie, I would suggest going to the end of that thread and working backwards--it goes back quite a ways).

The more accurate prices are of items that actually sold.   The latest Ratz I see on ebay that actually sold is from April of this year, and it looks like a very nice card.   It went for a little under 1900 dollars:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/285824399402

[drono]

Welcome to the forum.

The more accurate prices are of items that actually sold.   The latest Ratz I see on ebay that actually sold is from April of this year, and it looks like a very nice card.   It went for a little under 1900 dollars:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/285824399402

I have to agree with Plastered Peanut here.  Ratz has probably always been considered the "holy grail" of Wackydom.  There are four on eBay at the moment ranging from $2.9K up to $10K.  Anyone who doesn't have one and has deep enough pockets would have bought one of these by now.  They may publish magazines with values of collectibles, but they're really only worth what someone is willing to pay for them, so measuring sold listings is a much better benchmark.

When I first started collecting again after Mr. Gore gave us the wonderful world of the interweb in the '80s, there were estimated to be only 15-20 existing unpunched in the wild, and the value was around $4K.  There are 51 currently in the population report at PSA, six more at SGC, and there are many more in the hands of collectors who'll never grade them. 

[Rabanv]

No need to apologize,my friend.As a former wacky sticker collector,I always make a sincere effort to tell the truth and not make up stories.I just feel that 10 grand is too steep of a price for even a rare unpunched 1967 die cut.However if someone really wants it that bad than that is their choice to shell out that kind of money.

[freetoes]

I have to agree with Plastered Peanut here.  Ratz has probably always been considered the "holy grail" of Wackydom.  There are four on eBay at the moment ranging from $2.9K up to $10K.  Anyone who doesn't have one and has deep enough pockets would have bought one of these by now.  They may publish magazines with values of collectibles, but they're really only worth what someone is willing to pay for them, so measuring sold listings is a much better benchmark.

When I first started collecting again after Mr. Gore gave us the wonderful world of the interweb in the '80s, there were estimated to be only 15-20 existing unpunched in the wild, and the value was around $4K.  There are 51 currently in the population report at PSA, six more at SGC, and there are many more in the hands of collectors who'll never grade them.

Twenty-five years ago, Greg's old Availability Ranking estimated that there were 40+ each of Ratz and Cracked, with tan Paul Mauls and Muttses of comparable rarity. (I remember one person at the 1999 Show reportedly asking $4,000 for his Ratz.) Inevitably, more of the ultra-rares came to light, and the current survival estimate is probably around 100.

Imagine a Ratz being included in the ATPN? thread. But the $10K listing comes closest.

[bandaches]

Welcome to the forum.

I had to see this Ratz for 10 grand you mentioned, and I owe you an apology for my quick disbelief when I first read about it. 

A little digging around on ebay found this buy-it-now auction:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/364592331300

10 grand for a Ratz is way out of the ball park.   It looks like this has been listed since November of 2023.   It will probably stay listed for a very long time at that price.

You can't really gauge the price of something looking at "buy-it-now" prices on ebay.   Just take a look at the gems gathered in the "Are These People Nuts?" thread (as a newbie, I would suggest going to the end of that thread and working backwards--it goes back quite a ways).

The more accurate prices are of items that actually sold.   The latest Ratz I see on ebay that actually sold is from April of this year, and it looks like a very nice card.   It went for a little under 1900 dollars:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/285824399402

Rabnv isn't new to the forum, I believe he always posts about Ratz and Cracked.  I believe the $10,000 seller is doing the same thing I would do, list it high for advertising purpose(seems to work as everyone sees it...) then negotiate an off ebay deal for less.  It is currently the highest graded one on the market.  The near $2000 one you found is clearly in much lower condition with creases and weak corners.

[Rabanv]

I do admit that I often in the past have spoken about the two rarest 1967 Die cuts(Ratz and Cracked Animals),but i also can easily shift my topics about other wacky sticker items as well.What about the duplicate die cuts from 1967 that are tough to find(such as Jolly mean giant No. 21 or Grave train No. 6)?I never made an attempt to find the extra number versions of the die cuts.The Weakies No.32 and "Cracked Jerk No. 38 are the easiest duplicate versions to find of all the twelve 1967 duplicate versions.

[Rabanv]

Back in 2019,i actually printed color xerox copies of the front and back of the 12 duplicate 1967 die cuts.I thought it would be easier to do that and let any of the wacky sticker collectors have an opportunity to find the duplicate cards on Ebay.Actually l as I speak,I did look on Ebay and there is a Grave train 1967 Die cut No. 6 going for $259.00 which I think is a extremely reasonable offer.Check it out.