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Offline Joe G.

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The Joy of Collecting
« on: June 05, 2024, 12:26:16 PM »
OK this is a bit of a silly one and likely very individualistic but here goes.
So in talking with forum members about the collation of ANS 2024 all felt that it was frustrating that a complete set of 100 cards couldn’t be purchased in a single box.  But if you can simply buy a complete set like you would a deck of cards is that collecting?  Doesn’t collecting by it’s nature imply a bit of a chase to “get ‘em all.”  Isn’t the fun of collecting hunting down a few elusive cards?  Honestly I don’t know where I stand on this but wanted to see if the question is a legitimate one at all.

Oh and here’s what Wikipedia says on the subject:
“The hobby of collecting includes seeking, locating, acquiring, organizing, cataloging, displaying, storing, and maintaining items that are of interest to an individual collector. Collections differ in a wide variety of respects, most obviously in the nature and scope of the objects contained, but also in purpose, presentation, and so forth. The range of possible subjects for a collection is practically unlimited, and collectors have realised a vast number of these possibilities in practice, although some are much more popular than others.”

Offline RawGoo

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Re: The Joy of Collecting
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2024, 12:53:03 PM »
For me, somehow looking in actual physical stores made a difference.  That was part of the fun, the "hunt" that is now missing.  Just my two cents worth.

Offline Joe G.

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Re: The Joy of Collecting
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2024, 01:01:48 PM »
Pat excellent point!  Yup running from store to store on release day was a big part of the hobby before direct sales took over.  Certainly it added some excitement and uncertainty which is perhaps  at the heart of collecting.


For me, somehow looking in actual physical stores made a difference.  That was part of the fun, the "hunt" that is now missing.  Just my two cents worth.

Offline RawGoo

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« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2024, 01:44:57 PM »
Pat excellent point!  Yup running from store to store on release day was a big part of the hobby before direct sales took over.  Certainly it added some excitement and uncertainty which is perhaps  at the heart of collecting.

That doesn't mean I don't enjoy the new sets, I do, especially this recent one, I just miss chasing them out in the real world, as opposed to online.

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Re: The Joy of Collecting
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2024, 01:59:10 PM »
For me the joy of the hunt was more than just getting a complete set. It was also going to different stores to get each type of pack (packs with different codes). There were codes for gravity feeders, hobby boxes, retail boxes, blister packs, etc. There were also the bonus cards.

Not to forget to mention the packs didn't break the bank in one purchase. Now the minimum purchase as big as it is doesn't guarantee a complete base set, so multiple purchases are required. Plus even though I had a complete set, it was fun to throw a pack or two in my cart at the store to give me hope to find a special insert at a small cost.

Now with all that being said, I understand today is a different time and Topps needs to make a profit. The 'old way' just wasn't worth it for them.

I do like the idea of 1 / 1 sketch cards from so many different artists. They in itself are cool to find, but there  is no real 'complete set' to strive for. They instead are just helpful for trading up

Offline MoldRush

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Re: The Joy of Collecting
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2024, 05:46:45 PM »
Now with all that being said, I understand today is a different time and Topps needs to make a profit. The 'old way' just wasn't worth it for them.
I would agree to a certain extent but what constitutes a reasonable profit these days?  Sportscard packs can still be bought for a few bucks a pack, and for a while Topps baseball had ‘Opening Day’ packs for $1 or $2 so the kiddies could afford them.  Not sure if they’re still doing that, but you get my point.  $3 a pack is one thing, $3 a card is just over-the-top obnoxious.  You can make the argument about the chance of a sketch card or other premium insert raising the value, but sportscards have chase cards too.

Offline bludevilok

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Re: The Joy of Collecting
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2024, 10:08:06 PM »
I have to admit that I enjoy opening the packs and laying out the series' cards on a grid on the kitchen table and watch that grid fill up as the series became more complete.  I used to do that when I was a kid and bought a whole box of the newest series from the drug store where I bought them.  Whether I unwrap packs that come from Target or from FedEx, I still get the same sense of excitement.

The thing is that in those days and in the days of maybe the first half of the ANS sets, "collect 'em all" was possible.  The sense of excitement pretty much dies if you KNOW you're NOT gonna "collect 'em all."  MOST of the time, IF you bought enough, you could get ALMOST a full set and actually trade for a few cards you wanted from the subsets.  And that's okay.  BUT there have been exceptions.  For example, the 2023 set offered coupons, rainbow foils, and more AS EXTRAS doled out in the packs like they were gold.  Even if you wanted to collect only one of those chasers, collecting all of them was impossible unless you bought thousands of dollars worth of sets.  And then you were stuck with lots of base sets that no one wanted.  In this 2024 set, the variants were supposedly 1 in 6 boxes.  I bought 10 and received NO variants, and from what I've seen on the forum, their presence was extremely lacking; in fact, I doubt the 1:6 boxes statistic is even true.  However, I wasn't too upset because the variants and foils didn't do much for me because they didn't add much if anything to the Wacky Package itself.  That's why I was elated that the coupons were part of the base set in 2024 because I love reading the coupon backs.  True, I was missing a few cards from the subsets, but there were enough of those cards in circulation to trade.

Personally, I need some assurance that what I'm collecting is possible to attain.  If the original series had contained 100 cards plus three desirable subsets plus variations of all those cards, and you would only get a few of those desirable  cards in each box, my 10-year-old self would have been VERY frustrated and probably would have quit collecting very quickly.  Which may be why Topps can't get a whole lot of new, young collectors.  I have given some new Wacky Packages as gifts to kids and they still love 'em!  In the original series days, Topps said "Collect 'Em All"--AND YOU COULD--without going to the poor house!  In the early days of Wacky Package collecting, there was a base to collect and you COULD find them all, even if some had been "ceased and desisted."  In the early days of Wacky Package collecting, Topps still had a few cards that had less of a print run, but at least they WERE attainable.

Anyway, those are my thoughts on collecting:  Make what you want your customers to collect attainable, and we'll crack those packs to our heart's content.

Offline DrDeal

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Re: The Joy of Collecting
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2024, 03:23:27 AM »
I always loved going to stores to find wacky's.  Now its scouring ebay at odd times to attempt to score rare cards and going to shows occasionally. I still enjoy collecting Wacky's as they link back to my 8 year old self.  :)  If they are no longer produced by Topps; my sense is they will still continue with artists creating and selling sets of cards.

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Re: The Joy of Collecting
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2024, 04:04:40 AM »
Collecting also involves trading to complete sets.  Just mindlessly buying a box expecting completeness is not collecting by any definition of collecting.
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Offline Swiski

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Re: The Joy of Collecting
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2024, 04:52:51 AM »
If they were to make Wacky Packs available at retail again, how much do you think the price per pack would be? Considering the over-inflated price Topps charges now for the online print-on-demand material, would kids or the average consumer pay more than $3 a pack if they saw them in stores?

Offline Joe G.

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Re: The Joy of Collecting
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2024, 08:59:32 AM »
Steve well my daughter collects Lorcana cards which are by Disney and very popular now.  The new sets are in high demand and game stores sell them above retail.  She always pays $8+ per 12 card pack.  My son likes Magic the gathering and the last pack I bought for him was also over $8.

If they were to make Wacky Packs available at retail again, how much do you think the price per pack would be? Considering the over-inflated price Topps charges now for the online print-on-demand material, would kids or the average consumer pay more than $3 a pack if they saw them in stores?

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Re: The Joy of Collecting
« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2024, 03:48:42 PM »
  I am one to admit that I have a collecting 'bug'. As others have said, the fun was in the search -  trying to find packs around town especially when there were still quite a few independent convenience/retail stores alongside the national/regional ones,  The independents might get material that that national ones didn't touch.  I remember finding Evil Knievel cards at a small pharmacy my father used to deal with which turned out to be the only place in town where I ever found them.

 I do enjoy opening packs, but just don't care for how that is evolved into a sort of gambling, where people are looking for chase and/or valuable inserts and basically making base cards more undesirable. 

 

Offline JailOJohn

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Re: The Joy of Collecting
« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2024, 07:09:34 AM »
$8 for 12 cards = 67 cents pet card. We are paying $2-$3 per card..Feels like we are getting gouged extra for being adults who can afford it….

Offline Fanatical_and_Sickly

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Re: The Joy of Collecting
« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2024, 08:19:33 AM »
$8 for 12 cards = 67 cents pet card. We are paying $2-$3 per card..Feels like we are getting gouged extra for being adults who can afford it….
Where is the idea of $2 - $3 per card for Wackys coming from?
The 2024 boxes are $80, and have 80 cards inside.
After some really intense calculations, I come up with $1 per card.
And one of those is a sketch. A sketch card for just $1! Pretty amazing.

Offline Joe G.

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Re: The Joy of Collecting
« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2024, 08:45:18 AM »
Patrick, that’s true.  Also don’t forget the free shipping so it’s actually less than a dollar a card.  Back to Lorcana, the set my daughter collects, they do not have anything close to sketches in the packs and the last con we went to artists who worked on the set were charging $25 and up to to sign one!  Their super rare chase cards are these 1 in 4 box enchanted cards which naturally sell for hundreds of dollars.  So it’s pretty comparable over all. 


Where is the idea of $2 - $3 per card for Wackys coming from?
The 2024 boxes are $80, and have 80 cards inside.
After some really intense calculations, I come up with $1 per card.
And one of those is a sketch. A sketch card for just $1! Pretty amazing.
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Offline bigtomi

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Re: The Joy of Collecting
« Reply #15 on: June 08, 2024, 10:02:57 AM »
Feels like we are getting gouged extra for being adults who can afford it….
Your frequent mention of the costs involved in this hobby lead me to think you really can't afford it. Then don't buy 'em.

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Re: The Joy of Collecting
« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2024, 04:28:59 AM »
Your frequent mention of the costs involved in this hobby lead me to think you really can't afford it. Then don't buy 'em.

That solution has worked very well for me!

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Re: The Joy of Collecting
« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2024, 09:41:45 AM »
I can still fondly remember going to the local 7-11's, made my mom stop if we were in a different area, hoping THAT 7-11 had THE pack I needed!!!

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Re: The Joy of Collecting
« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2024, 10:20:25 AM »
I can still fondly remember going to the local 7-11's, made my mom stop if we were in a different area, hoping THAT 7-11 had THE pack I needed!!!

Richard
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My mom would almost always stop for me to run in and check if we passed a Quick Stop.

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Re: The Joy of Collecting
« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2024, 01:28:29 PM »
It seems odd now that our local 7-11 never sold Wackys, but the Majik Market across the road did. Majik Market sold Icees, and 7-11 sold Slurpees in Comic Cups, later Endangered Species cups. The Joker and Mon-El gave way to the Eskimo curlew and the Morro Bay kangaroo rat.

The only series I completed as a kid were 6 and 5 (in that order, with a few trades needed after getting most of the cards from the store).

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Re: The Joy of Collecting
« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2024, 04:30:37 PM »
We bought our 70s Wackys at 7-11 and if we were flush on a given day, we would also get a Slurpee in a Marvel Cup. Didn’t realize id still be collecting wackys 50 years later. Even though 5 or 10 cents was a good bit of money, i spent every penny i got on comics and wackys

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« Reply #21 on: June 09, 2024, 04:49:42 PM »
i spent every penny i got on comics and wackys

So did I, still have most of them. They are not pretty though.

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Re: The Joy of Collecting
« Reply #22 on: July 02, 2024, 12:00:18 PM »
I miss the days of buying packs at retail and completing sets.  And I'm referring both to original series and ANS.  As has been mentioned, trading is a fun part of the hobby, but it's enough of a pain having to do it via mail that I tend to mostly sell off my extras (if I don't keep them for myself) and buy the ones I need on ebay.  But I miss the childhood days of laying out all my cards and having a friend do the same and swapping in person. 

 

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