Heritage Die Cut box up for auction

[Fanatical_and_Sickly]

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this is in the same auction.  Box clearly has some damage.  Why on earth is this common box over $300 already?  Why does Steve Hart wrapping a box have any value?  I find wrapped boxes to be a nuisance as who on earth wants a full box that you can't admire the packs?

guessing you're referring to the Reprint 1 box on HA and not the softball schedule.



yeah, crushed corner, contents hidden.  I think some people just like placing bids and being 'highest'
Is $1200 really the estimate on this? I haven't looked at prices in years, but that seems very inflated

[drono]

Why does Steve Hart wrapping a box have any value?  I find wrapped boxes to be a nuisance as who on earth wants a full box that you can't admire the packs?

I have to fully agree with you there - just to savor the smell of the bubble gum in the unwrapped packs is a bonus.  However, if you're worried about resale value and authenticity, then unwrapping would destroy both of those.

Is $1200 really the estimate on this? I haven't looked at prices in years, but that seems very inflated

It doesn't seem that it was that long ago that you could buy 36 unopened packs from 1979 for about $100 and a box for $25 or so.  Doesn't the estimated value get figured into the price for wrapping?  If that's the case, then of course it benefits the wrapper to claim it's worth more.

[bandaches]

I have to fully agree with you there - just to savor the smell of the bubble gum in the unwrapped packs is a bonus.  However, if you're worried about resale value and authenticity, then unwrapping would destroy both of those.

It doesn't seem that it was that long ago that you could buy 36 unopened packs from 1979 for about $100 and a box for $25 or so.  Doesn't the estimated value get figured into the price for wrapping?  If that's the case, then of course it benefits the wrapper to claim it's worth more.

These have sold all over ebay in better condition for less than $1200.  This Heritage stuff is a load of crap.  I feel like the auction house and ABCDEFG wrapping company are in cohoots with each other.  Authenticity is crap.  I don't trust a wrapped crushed box to have good contents over seeing packs for myself.

[bandaches]

guessing you're referring to the Reprint 1 box on HA and not the softball schedule.

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yeah, crushed corner, contents hidden.  I think some people just like placing bids and being 'highest'
Is $1200 really the estimate on this? I haven't looked at prices in years, but that seems very inflated

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LOL I guess I am doing too many things at once!  Running the recreation softball league on top of too many other things. I will fix my original post.

[bandaches]

I have to fully agree with you there - just to savor the smell of the bubble gum in the unwrapped packs is a bonus.  However, if you're worried about resale value and authenticity, then unwrapping would destroy both of those.

It doesn't seem that it was that long ago that you could buy 36 unopened packs from 1979 for about $100 and a box for $25 or so.  Doesn't the estimated value get figured into the price for wrapping?  If that's the case, then of course it benefits the wrapper to claim it's worth more.

I would pay MORE for non wrapped than this wrapped nonsense.  I want to see the contents, I want savor the contents as an owner.  I have plastic wrapped some of my empty boxes as some of them have flaws and they hold together better stuffed and wrapped.  Will NEVER plastic wrap a full box.

[bandaches]

I like the variation box - Tasty Spider soup - but really? $20K estimate? For such a rough box? Why isn't there a pix of the unopened packs within - could they all really be unopened???
Does this grading service have a good reputation?

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Alex

With including buyer premium. sold for $38,400.  Thought it would go for more since these specific packs are rarely seen given that the tasty box is much more scarce. 

[Alexeirex]

With including buyer premium. sold for $38,400.  Thought it would go for more since these specific packs are rarely seen given that the tasty box is much more scarce.

$38K!!!! Sh@@...
A

[bandaches]

$38K!!!! Sh@@...
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lol, considering series 1 unopened boxes sold for $50k, this seems like a bargain!

[Paul_Maul]

lol, considering series 1 unopened boxes sold for $50k, this seems like a bargain!

Before the 1st series box sold, die cut packs were considerably more common than 1st series packs. Now that a 1st series box has been broken that’s not really the case anymore. I guess that’s the nature of a small hobby. For years there was a list of collectors clamoring for a 1st series pack, but it seems like one box was enough to more than satisfy demand.

[bandaches]

Before the 1st series box sold, die cut packs were considerably more common than 1st series packs. Now that a 1st series box has been broken that’s not really the case anymore. I guess that’s the nature of a small hobby. For years there was a list of collectors clamoring for a 1st series pack, but it seems like one box was enough to more than satisfy demand.

How can diecut packs be more common when a large majority of them have been opened regardless of the fact at least 5 full series 1 boxes are out there now.

[Paul_Maul]

I said they were rarer before those boxes surfaced. There were always graded die cut packs available on eBay for the last 15 years. 1st series packs were unobtainable until a couple of years ago.

[bandaches]

I said they were rarer before those boxes surfaced. There were always graded die cut packs available on eBay for the last 15 years. 1st series packs were unobtainable until a couple of years ago.

you are correct, you believed they were rarer before the series 1 boxes surfaced but common sense dictated there was no chance series 1 packs would be rarer than diecut packs just based on pure manufacturer numbers.  I predict right now, even more series 1 packs will surface at a greater rate than diecut packs.  None of the above changes the fact that diecut packs from a tasty box ARE truly rare and this box sold for a song compared to series 1 boxes and previous diecut boxes.  The population of tasty packs just went back to zero as these packs will be ripped open.

[Alexeirex]

you are correct, you believed they were rarer before the series 1 boxes surfaced but common sense dictated there was no chance series 1 packs would be rarer than diecut packs just based on pure manufacturer numbers.  I predict right now, even more series 1 packs will surface at a greater rate than diecut packs.  None of the above changes the fact that diecut packs from a tasty box ARE truly rare and this box sold for a song compared to series 1 boxes and previous diecut boxes.  The population of tasty packs just went back to zero as these packs will be ripped open.

Are the packs/wrappers themselves different from the packs in the more common die cut box? I recall graded die cut packs for sale on a card site not too long ago (3-4 years?) that went for about $1K and the site had about 3 of them.
It was a surprise to me as the site usually sold newly released card product....
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[bandaches]

Are the packs/wrappers themselves different from the packs in the more common die cut box? I recall graded die cut packs for sale on a card site not too long ago (3-4 years?) that went for about $1K and the site had about 3 of them.
It was a surprise to me as the site usually sold newly released card product....
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No packs are the same which is why having packs actually associated with a box is important assuming the box wasn't put together by hand but that is unlikely with diecut boxes as there just aren't enough packs floating around to put together a box.

[drono]

No packs are the same which is why having packs actually associated with a box is important assuming the box wasn't put together by hand but that is unlikely with diecut boxes as there just aren't enough packs floating around to put together a box.

Unlikely - true.  But suppose it was cobbled together in 1967.  Stores often combined packs in boxes when opening the next box.

It's a shame this will be opened and ripped.  I wonder if the value of the contents will be greater than the sale price itself.

[Paul_Maul]

It's a shame this will be opened and ripped.  I wonder if the value of the contents will be greater than the sale price itself.

If the box is opened - and I’m not sure how Ernie is certain of that - the value of the contents will almost certainly be far less than the price paid. That’s true of almost all vintage unopened material.

[bandaches]

Unlikely - true.  But suppose it was cobbled together in 1967.  Stores often combined packs in boxes when opening the next box.

It's a shame this will be opened and ripped.  I wonder if the value of the contents will be greater than the sale price itself.

True nobody can control what happens in a retail store but think about the exact circumstance needed for someone to have leftover campy packs and ordered another box and sold some of the tasty packs to make room for campy packs to then consolidate.  I am confident this box was all tasty packs.  Will try to find out the contents as this will be meaningful verification of lots of theories that have been presented as facts over the years on the set evolution.

[bandaches]

If the box is opened - and I’m not sure how Ernie is certain of that - the value of the contents will almost certainly be far less than the price paid. That’s true of almost all vintage unopened material.

the over inflated PSA market for wackys may challenge your statement but this will contribute to PSA8s becoming common fodder as the PSA ladder climbs where soon only PSA9 and PSA10 will be worthy.

[drono]

this will contribute to PSA8s becoming common fodder as the PSA ladder climbs where soon only PSA9 and PSA10 will be worthy.

Maybe. True, they'll be "pack fresh," but we all know that centering is a major contributor to PSA grading, so there may be less 9s and 10s than you expect.

[bandaches]

Maybe. True, they'll be "pack fresh," but we all know that centering is a major contributor to PSA grading, so there may be less 9s and 10s than you expect.

This is a discussion about probability and cost recovery.  We all know that the probability that a majority of titles in a box won't be off center and we all know the number of PSA9s and above for number variations is minuscule therefore we all know if PSA9 number variations hit the market, they will easily clear $1000 in the PSA over priced market and we all know that will soon lead to all those PSA 7s on ebay being barely worth their grading cost and the value of PSA8s will continue to drop.  We also know that collectors are starting to pay attention to "old" PSA grades vs "new" PSA grades with the newer ones being touted as better ie a new PSA8 is better than an old PSA8 as grading standards have gotten more strict as the ever changing PSA gambit of BS continues.  Now there are decimal grades and sorta kinda electronic grading.  There is still the running theory that big spenders get higher grades....