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At this point I was done, I shut down the site, removed all the images (or so I thought) and was NOT going to feed into the fight anymore, I had been upfront and honest from the start of all of this, I gave credit to Greg for his hard work offered to take down the images, took down the images AND offered to share stuff he did not have, all of this is what I did, each step of the way, and guess what? it was the right thing to do. The issue really should have been over at this point, the site was shut down, credit was given, and a partnership was even offered, but instead Greg replied with this....Wrong, brazen, and very cocky. Those box pictures are my personal works of art and you're in gross violation of the copyright law and Topps cannot come to your rescue. The funny thing is not that many years ago it wouldn't have been a copyright violation but the laws have massively changed and now it is a violation, you should read the latest copyright law, this has nothing to do with Topps. You need a real lawyer dude, I suggest you start looking for one this weekend.
I wanted to let everything go, but I had to reply to that post...NONE of the ANS stuff is yours EXCEPT for the boxes and pack photos
And as I said in my last post the 86 series is being scanned as I type this.
The funny thing is your doing EXACTLY what I knew you would do to me in regards to the stuff that DID NOT COME FROM YOUR WEBSITE
Is this is theonly convaluted way you can think of to try and prevent ANYONE from making a similar site to yours, just claim ALL WACKY IMAGES ARE YOURS and pray that people are scared of you for some reason and they just shut down and go away
Sorry Teach, but in the real world it don't work that way, and once again show me your extensive Old School stuff on your site, since you keep saying over and over I have NOTHING your site doesn't have.
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Jason reminded Greg that what he wanted done has been doneHey Greg. Looks like you can calm down. Jay has closed the site and will be removing the offending images, and bringing it back when he's done with that work. So please, stop insulting and attacking - that's best left in your backyard, I think. When the site comes back, even without your images, I hope you don't have reason to attack again.
So, in the strictest sense, he's making efforts to correct the wrong. You should applaud that.
Greg replied to me with....So what you're saying is you stole from me until you get around to replacing what you stole? Sorry asshole but the world doesn't work that way. It will take you years to rescan all those images, and you'll never get the box pictures because obviously that kind of picture is way above your head. This is not something you are doing for the benefit of the community like I did, this is a bogus power play, a disgraceful ego trip. Removing my shadows took a lot of time I'm sure, time you could have spent doing legitimate work, so nobody should be fooled by your thinly veiled bullshit. But regardless, you don't have years to fix your page, you have 24 hours. You have been warned. And your posts are great fodder for the trial where you are saying outright what you stole and that you did it intentionally. If you had a lawyer he'd be telling you to keep your gaping mouth shut right now.
So, I did everything asked of me, gave credit, offer to share and work together and shut down the site and that is Greg's reply to me, still threatening a fake lawsuit, more 'power play' claims, etc etc, really he was only trying to goad me to keep going, which of course I did, I was behind by about 3 or 4 posts by this time, so before I could reply to this post I had to first reply to his "wrong, brazen and very cocky" postShow me how I am Wrong, Brazen and very cocky,
your argument is moot at this point anyway the site is down, the images from your site are being removed, as I said I do not have the time to play childish games with someone being childish, this is the exact reason I never came to you about this project in the first place, you seem to have skipped over that so far all day....
The ENTIRE W.O.W. project started as a FREE revamp for YOUR WEBSITE, a way for me to THANK YOU for what you did for this hobby, but AFTER we spoke on the phone I decided that the last thing I should do is help feed your ego, and I took the almost 10 months of work I did and scrapped the entire project, then just about a month or so ago I decided that instead of just killing the entire project that I should pick it back up and do it myself, without the lording and ego tripping.
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Greg's next post was...There's no way you could possibly justify what you did, so give up on trying to hold your head high and ride around on some kind of high horse. I don't own any wacky images but I do own the scans on my site and you have stolen a thousand of them outright and spent considerable time cutting out the shadows. If you want to fill in holes like blow school then I applaud that, I've been begging others to get involved because cataloging the entire wacky universe was too big a job for one person or even two, but nobody really wanted to help, instead almost everybody's energy went into fighting on the forum and clawing for for lowball opportunities, while I spent most of my time doing something productive for the hobby.
But the way to do this in a sociably acceptable way is to join the gang and cooperate and make friends, not to dive in and steal stuff and kick people who are down and try to divide people and cause havoc. That's idiotic that you approached this that way and I think everybody can see what kind of person you must be. I have laid myself down for this hobby and I know the majority of people recognize that, which has been your major miscalculation here.
Note the bolded, when did I kick anyone, divide people or cause havoc? I did in fact join the gang, cooperate and made friends, in case anyone missed it, or forgot or just plain did not know I was "Teronsuke" on Greg's boards, I posted quite often from the time I stopped lurking for over a year and finally registered and got involved, I did the exact opposite of what Greg claimed I did, W.O.W. was online since Jan, when did any of you learn of the site? not before this forum was opened, not the day it opened, there was never any power play, or kicking when down, the registration date of W.O.W. is the only proof I need of my intentions JANUARY 2010, this board, and the exodus of Greg's board was in MARCH,
Next Sue Mee said to Greg...He removed the material you're crying about. Go away. It won't take years to rescan everything. It may take you "tens of hours" to photoshop the boxes, but other people may be faster at getting stuff done.and Greg's direct reply to Sue Mee wasAll I can say is it must truly suck to be as miserable as you. What you really mean is "thank you very much for years of incredible service to this hobby, work that I'm so jealous of that I will act like a six year old". Well, he did the smart thing to remove it. Nobody can do that stuff fast unless they do hack work or steal it. My work is super high quality and that's why it's time-consuming, particularly my full box scans, those took years and there is no way he (you?) can reproduce probably even one of them without stealing something from somebody, and most likely me. I hope somebody steals thousands of hours of your work one day and then insults you and makes you cry. Well the world is full of assholes like you, it takes a lot of strength to navigate around the assholes and still get the most out of life, but I've certainly had plenty of practice in this hobby which attracts 98% super cool people and a bunch of flaming assholes who absolutely never grew up.
I then replied to Greg about his "high horse" post...I don't need to play justification theater, I've not hidden ANYTHING I have no motives, agendas other then what I have stated publicly and in private with individuals.
I want to give you a bit of free advice (not that you'd take it from me)
When a new person calls your hotline, you NEVER know who they MIGHT be, or what they could have to help you make your life easier, so it's a good idea to NOT let their first impression of you be an angry bitter person who only talks negative about the hobby, the members of their site and so on and so forth.
that's not helping the hobby, that's not laying down yourself for the hobby, in fact I really don't know what that is.
I've hidden nothing about myself or the site I'm building, I even went as far to create a new name so I would NOT be using my normal forum name I use on most boards, I don't need to be worshiped, and really NO ONE should want or need that.
but keep on flaming me, post by post your just showing how you really truly are and your true feelings about the hobby today
and for last time
THE ANS CARD SCANS ARE NOT FROM YOUR SITE
But sadly neither of us can prove it one way or the other and you know this, and I'm thinking you love that fact.
-Jay-
Greg replied with...No amount of your rationalization will equate our behavior here because we've gotten to this discussion via incredibly different paths. I'm somebody who did my own work and gave myself freely to the hobby for 12 years and know half the people here personally, a hundred or so of them even spent time in my house. While who are you? You simply came here from nowhere, stole my work and tried to call it your own, and dissed me instead of being cool and showing respect for what I've done, instead of starting this venture maturely like any reasonable person would, you come rampaging in half cocked, stealing content and dissing a long standing member of the community, making yourself look like a total fool with how you've done this. Of course all the anti-greg dipshits will be duly impressed, but they're easy to impress, it doesn't matter what names you call me ernie and gary and the other morons will get in line. That means jack bro. There's no equating us, I didn't do the disgraceful acts you did and I never would, I reacted to it, and you reacted to me reacting to what you did. Only the fools who want to believe you have a point will believe it, everybody else can see you being a dick, just one more in a parade of them that have come through this hobby over the years.
Again, just look over his bolded text, and remember all I have already done, gave credit, took images down, offered to share images, and offered to work together with him, but to Greg that all meant what I bolded above.After this Greg made another reply to one of my posts, and it is my last quote/copy/pasteYou haven't walked in my shoes for one second, you don't know me and have barely a clue as to the experiences I've had. One thing is clear and that is that your stated MO is just a smokescreen for your true motivations, whatever they may be, but one thing is for sure is that honesty and integrity are not high on your priority list. If you had a shred of integrity you'd take a second to realize that I've done my best in the face of incredible obstacles faced by mindless corporations and bloated egos. That's a fact, that's a sad fact but it's not my fault and if you come in here expecting me to bend over and take it up the ass, well, as I said, who the hell are you? Just another self-righteous blowhard insensitive asshole dipshit power player. The hobby will eventually see you for what you are because that kind of incredibly antisocial behavior will come back to roost, you have to realize the allegiance of a troupe who are only happy because you're fighting with me is a group with very thin loyalty. Your first step in this hobby was a huge misstep. I encourage you to rethink everything and being the gracious person I am I might give you a second chance to be cool and hopefully do something productive.
It was with that last post that I gave up, and due to that post I will NEVER AGAIN apologize to him, I already made attempts to make amends for what I did, I complied, I offered to share and I offered a partnership, and all Greg did was kept attacking me, and making the issue bigger then it ever had to be.Now some of you think that I should apologize to Greg for what I did, and others want to know if I THINK I did anything wrong, I can only assume these questions are because of how Greg blew all of this out of proportion, and skewed the real facts of the entire ordeal, I was open and honest about where the images came from BEFORE GREG CAME HERE, and once Greg came here I was open and honest again, I gave him credit, I took down the images, I offered to share what he did not have and I even offered we work together, seriously did I NOT DO THE RIGHT THING ALREADY?
I will not go out of my way to kiss this guy's ass after what he did to me, if anyone owes someone an apology it's Greg to me, and that is why I will never say to Greg I'm sorry, I have nothing to be sorry for, I did everything the right, respectful way, I approached the situation as an adult and Greg spit at me, I offered my help and he attacked me, I took down the images as he wanted (to end it all) and he kept attacking me, I offered to share images he did not have he attacked me, I gave him credit for all his hard work he attacked me.
So, to all of you who think I should be sorry for what I did, what exactly did I really do? I already attempted to make amends when this whole thing started, and I was attacked over and over again, why should I do it again?
This is now 100% over for me, I do NOT want to respond to anything more in this thread, If I have to I will lol, but please let's just let this go, it was honestly done and over after my first reply to Greg when I gave him credit, told him I would remove the images, offered to share, and work together, why the hell this became an 18 page train wreak is beyond me, but It's done, it's over let's just move the hell on!-Jay-