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Offline Hostile_Thinkies

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Re: Wacky Packages Old School 9!
« Reply #105 on: November 18, 2020, 03:44:19 PM »
Holy cow, thankfully I got my order in late last night. Glad to see OS9 did so well!

Offline Slaytex99

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« Reply #106 on: November 19, 2020, 10:52:17 AM »
I thought these were print on-demand after their week on sale is over.  Why would Topps put a limit on the number available to be sold?  Am I wrong about them being printed after the sales period?

Re: Wacky Packages Old School 9!
« Reply #107 on: November 19, 2020, 11:05:23 AM »
I thought these were print on-demand after their week on sale is over.  Why would Topps put a limit on the number available to be sold?  Am I wrong about them being printed after the sales period?
The sketch cards are what limits the sales. There’s only so many of them to go around.
If there was a sketch-less version, they could just keep on printing as many as they can sell.

Offline Slaytex99

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Re: Wacky Packages Old School 9!
« Reply #108 on: November 19, 2020, 12:05:05 PM »
Thanks, that makes sense.  I forgot about the limited availability of the sketch cards.  :great:

Offline RawGoo

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Re: Wacky Packages Old School 9!
« Reply #109 on: November 19, 2020, 02:05:39 PM »
The print run was 600 sets.

Offline jleonard1967

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Re: Wacky Packages Old School 9!
« Reply #110 on: November 19, 2020, 02:48:40 PM »
The print run was 600 sets.
I got 4 of them

Online cmgmd

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Re: Wacky Packages Old School 9!
« Reply #111 on: November 19, 2020, 02:50:26 PM »
Meaning 1800 sketches!

Offline crackedjerk

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Re: Wacky Packages Old School 9!
« Reply #112 on: November 22, 2020, 05:23:15 AM »
Hi gang,

[Edit: A couple of kind forum members offered to help me out, so I've worked it out with one of them to purchase a base set.  So I'm all set. :-) ]

Not sure if this is the right thread for it, but for me $150 is just too much for a set.  And I LOVE Old School.  Not an indictment, just don't personally see value in all the chase pieces. Respect if you do. I'm not in step with the vast majority of trading card collectors or the hobby.   

Regardless, in the past I have waited to get a base set on eBay and I think I've historically paid around $40-$50 for such a thing.  If someone is ordering in bulk and selling extra base sets to forum members, let me know.  Happy to go the ebay route, but of course would be happier to deal with a forum member. 

-Jason

I dithered between buying the full $150 set with sketches and extras on ebay and picking up just the base set for reasons Jason articulated far more eloquently than I.  Once I heard it was sold out, my decision was made for me.  If anyone has an extra base set they want to sell or trade, please let me know.

Thanks!

Tom

Offline Slaytex99

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Re: Wacky Packages Old School 9!
« Reply #113 on: November 24, 2020, 08:07:38 PM »
The sketch cards are what limits the sales. There’s only so many of them to go around.
If there was a sketch-less version, they could just keep on printing as many as they can sell.

So the question is - Are the sketch cards worth it?  Without them, the set price could be lower and print run unlimited.  Maybe we could get boxes, wrappers, kiss-cut etc. if the volume was high enough.

Bottom line is the sketch card business model optimal?  600 sets limit seems so low.  But print run has to be balanced with set price and payout to those involved in the production.

Offline JasonLiebig

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Re: Wacky Packages Old School 9!
« Reply #114 on: November 24, 2020, 11:07:03 PM »
So the question is - Are the sketch cards worth it?  Without them, the set price could be lower and print run unlimited.  Maybe we could get boxes, wrappers, kiss-cut etc. if the volume was high enough.

Bottom line is the sketch card business model optimal?  600 sets limit seems so low.  But print run has to be balanced with set price and payout to those involved in the production.

I don't think it's clear if they're worth it or if the business model IS optimal.  It seems clear from Topps' choices that they don't see another way to go with these, even if another way might exist. They may see it as perfectly clear that "this is the way".  I hope not.     

I've watched with fascination from the introduction of the very first Old School set, which I thought was a stroke of genius in format and value, through now. 

Early on, the sketch craze overtook all else, driving up sales of boxes (but entirely in the chase for sketches), in moments seeing color sketches selling for more than original artwork, and more.  Certainly the fandom (and forum chatter) was all about the sketches.  The stickers, and indeed the format itself (boxes, packs, kiss-cut stickers) become an afterthought to the majority of buyers in that sketch card chase.  Topps increased Old School print runs to meet the increased sketch card demand.  But that demand was never about the product or its sincere and appealing format, it was the demand for sketch cards.  The demand for Old School boxes of cards was never that.  And when the sketch market fluctuated, Topps was left with inventory.  Finally, it seemed that Topps' budgets and profit/loss reports suddenly determined that the Old School model wasn't viable anymore. And a new way forward was designed.  Premium price, less charming format... but, you guessed it, more sketches!  They rationally looked at what was driving big sales (and folks were buying CASES of Old School to get sketches, that was it) and they stripped most everything else from the original format away. 

Hell, remember when they attempted to market entire sketch card sets (or was it just "Sketches on demand") - they stripped 100% of everything away BUT they sketches. I didn't pay it much attention, so I don't know how well that all went for them. That was Topps responding to demand in the most aggressive way. 

Now, I don't think it's necessarily true the the original Old School format (boxes, packs, stickers, etc) is nonviable.  I assume it still is, but it's just more investment and risk.  Unless the format was never viable and Topps just ate huge losses on Old School 1 and 2, etc.  Which maybe they did? It seems unlikely, because we are seeing folks release sticker sets in a very Old School way, and I assume they're at least breaking even. 

I'd love to see Old School go back to the boxes and packs and kiss-cut stickers (with the enjoyment of sticking them as an option).  That's me.  I'll acknowledge that it's never going to be as inexpensive as it was (I think those Old School 1 boxes were only $50 each!), but lets say it was $100 a box.. we'd still be getting a lot of value there. 

That said, I fear I'm in the minority.  I suspect that the majority of hobbyists still care more about the sketches, and that's just where the market might be.  They perhaps don't want to "waste money on boxes of swill" stickers, just to get to the sketches. Because they're not just collecting a few sketch cards, they're collecting handfuls of them.  So for them, this new format is far more efficient. I just think it's utterly without that Old School charm. 

But if Dave and the team at Topps can figure out a way to bring back some of the genius and charm of the original Old School releases format, I think that would be awfully damned good.  And I would like to believe the hobby would be better and more vital for it, long term. 

If not, I'll just keep buying base sets with Dave's gorgeous paintings printed on them from other forum members.  I'll live. 


 

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Re: Wacky Packages Old School 9!
« Reply #115 on: November 25, 2020, 12:04:58 AM »
I look at Old School 9 this way:  Yes, $150 is a lot of money, but if I don't want the sketches I can sell them, which brings down the set price (sometimes a lot).  And, as I try to build subsets like the Graduation cards, I end up with base sets to sell or trade with people here who find the $150 price unpalatable.  And now, with all the new sets around, including minis, there are a lot of trading possibilities!  I may eventually end up with a complete set of minis, even the stickers, which I had kind of given up on.

My only problem is keeping track of everything  :o

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« Reply #116 on: November 25, 2020, 01:54:27 AM »
Yes, overwhelming with all the 2020 weeklies, Wacky Halloween, Brand Busters, and OLDS9.  We are giving ourselves a lot for the holidays!   >(
Marc

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Re: Wacky Packages Old School 9!
« Reply #117 on: November 25, 2020, 08:42:44 AM »
I'd love to see Old School go back to the boxes and packs and kiss-cut stickers (with the enjoyment of sticking them as an option).  That's me.  I'll acknowledge that it's never going to be as inexpensive as it was (I think those Old School 1 boxes were only $50 each!), but lets say it was $100 a box.. we'd still be getting a lot of value there. 

That said, I fear I'm in the minority.  I suspect that the majority of hobbyists still care more about the sketches, and that's just where the market might be.  They perhaps don't want to "waste money on boxes of swill" stickers, just to get to the sketches. Because they're not just collecting a few sketch cards, they're collecting handfuls of them.  So for them, this new format is far more efficient. I just think it's utterly without that Old School charm. 

Great analysis Jason!  I'm with you on the old school charm.  Sketches are nice, but they hold very little interest for me.  I think if Topps would take a Kickstarter approach, they would sell a lot more and eliminate the risk of unsold product.  That way you and I could buy a base set and maybe a smaller subset (coupons, grad photos, etc.) and get just what we want for a price that doesn't include any extras.  Topps could also sell "chase" options like packs with ludlows and sketches for those that want to chase.  I just don't think Topps is interested because Wacky Package collecting has become a niche market, and they're never going to make the kind of profit they do on sports cards.  So they don't feel it's worth the time to change their business model.  Unfortunately for the two of us and others who feel like we do, the "chasers" keep dumping a lot of money that we're not willing to pay, so they have no real incentive to change formats.

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Re: Wacky Packages Old School 9!
« Reply #118 on: November 26, 2020, 08:37:18 AM »
I look at Old School 9 this way:  Yes, $150 is a lot of money, but if I don't want the sketches I can sell them, which brings down the set price (sometimes a lot).  And, as I try to build subsets like the Graduation cards, I end up with base sets to sell or trade with people here who find the $150 price unpalatable.  And now, with all the new sets around, including minis, there are a lot of trading possibilities!  I may eventually end up with a complete set of minis, even the stickers, which I had kind of given up on.

My only problem is keeping track of everything  :o

Yeah, that all makes sense. I think all of this is what we personally make of it, and there's so many possible facets to it, and ways to go - from the collector perspective, and the brand managers at Topps' perspective.  At the end of the day, I'm grateful that Old School continues, and that I'm still able to get a wonderfully creative set of Wackys out of it. 
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Re: Wacky Packages Old School 9!
« Reply #119 on: November 26, 2020, 08:44:53 AM »
Pat,

There is a LOT of scanning and YES!!! I still use WackyBase Deluxe!

YES I agree with the sketch cards theory - You do not like them sell them and You are probably making money = FREE WACKIES!

Richard
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P.S...... I LOVE THE SKETCHES!!!!!!!