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« Reply #35 on: September 19, 2010, 02:12:56 PM »
The type was done with Letraset Press type, to replicate the original and keeps it's true originality, someone would need to track this down. Paint could simulate but not hold it's original work.

Norm would paint the basic painting and Topps art staff would add the text in the Brooklyn studio

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Re: Norman Saunders
« Reply #36 on: September 22, 2010, 10:47:29 PM »
 When people frame the original Wacky art, often they do not have a mat cut.  Without a mat , there is space between the surface of the art and the glass.  Then the Letraset lettering sticks to the glass, and the art is never gonna be the same.  Even the paint will stick to the glass if the frame hangs in a place where the humidity is high, so the solution to preserving this art is to have a mat cut  for it when you frame it, and don't let the surface of the painting directly touch any other surface, especially a non-pourus surface like glass or plexiglass.

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« Reply #37 on: September 23, 2010, 03:41:48 AM »
When people frame the original Wacky art, often they do not have a mat cut.  Without a mat , there is space between the surface of the art and the glass.  Then the Letraset lettering sticks to the glass, and the art is never gonna be the same.  Even the paint will stick to the glass if the frame hangs in a place where the humidity is high, so the solution to preserving this art is to have a mat cut  for it when you frame it, and don't let the surface of the painting directly touch any other surface, especially a non-pourus surface like glass or plexiglass.

Excellent advise for framing any type of art work. Thanks Jay!
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Re: Norman Saunders
« Reply #38 on: September 25, 2010, 10:37:54 PM »
When people frame the original Wacky art, often they do not have a mat cut.  Without a mat , there is space between the surface of the art and the glass.  Then the Letraset lettering sticks to the glass, and the art is never gonna be the same.  Even the paint will stick to the glass if the frame hangs in a place where the humidity is high, so the solution to preserving this art is to have a mat cut  for it when you frame it, and don't let the surface of the painting directly touch any other surface, especially a non-pourus surface like glass or plexiglass.

Jay, when was the last time you used Letraset type? I can honestly say I last used it in 1991 when the Mac computer took over and there was no need to set type by hand anymore. It was very fragile if you didn't burnish down well or it would flake off with humidity or heat

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Re: Norman Saunders
« Reply #39 on: September 26, 2010, 01:53:12 PM »
I haven't used Letraset or any rub off type since 1985.  Photoshop made it obsolete around then.  I used it once  since then...around the mid 90s...to make a prototype for the first Non-Sport Update magazine cover.  But on the final first issue of the printed mag, it was computer type.  I still have about 30 pounds of the stuff...But it is all larger magazine style headline typefaces.  I have hundreds of sheets of it.  Nothing small enough to replace Wacky type, though.  If anybody wants it...  take it away for $50 plus UPS shipping costs.  It's an 18 inch pile of sheets of the stuff. 

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Re: Norman Saunders
« Reply #40 on: November 09, 2010, 09:14:38 PM »
A few more Norman Saunders illustrations / artworks will be coming up for auction in early 2011. Here are two.
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This unlisted piece kind of tickled my Saunders radar. It has just been submitted and there are no details listed yet. I'm just guessing at this point. I have no idea and I'm no expert but it seems Saunders-like to me.

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Re: Norman Saunders
« Reply #41 on: November 09, 2010, 09:17:59 PM »
A few more Norman Saunders illustrations / artworks will be coming up for auction in early 2011. Here are two.
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This unlisted piece kind of tickled my Saunders radar. It has just been submitted and there are no details listed yet. I'm just guessing at this point. I have no idea and I'm no expert but it seems Saunders-like to me.

[expando]http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/1085087932_EiEe7-X2.jpg[/expando]


I dunno about that third piece you showed, the details aren't quite there, I like it the least of the three.  Are these Heritage listings?
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Re: Norman Saunders
« Reply #42 on: November 09, 2010, 09:22:19 PM »
I dunno about that third piece you showed, the details aren't quite there, I like it the least of the three.  Are these Heritage listings?


I know what you mean, but I have seen varying degrees of detail in his works throughout his lifetime and something about it piqued my interest.  Yes these are all Heritage again.

This one also is pretty rough compared to others but there are some elements in it that remind me of his stuff. (the syringe for one)


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Re: Norman Saunders
« Reply #43 on: November 09, 2010, 09:36:40 PM »
Take a look at the man's face in this known Saunders piece on the left and the one that I'm curious about....
Even the woman's face has some similarities.

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Re: Norman Saunders
« Reply #44 on: November 10, 2010, 07:12:45 PM »
Take a look at the man's face in this known Saunders piece on the left and the one that I'm curious about....
Even the woman's face has some similarities.

[expando]http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/1085089895_ennGb-X2.jpg[/expando] [expando]http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/1085087932_EiEe7-X2.jpg[/expando]
The one on the left is much better!
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Re: Norman Saunders
« Reply #45 on: November 10, 2010, 10:31:18 PM »
Take a look at the man's face in this known Saunders piece on the left and the one that I'm curious about....
Even the woman's face has some similarities.

[expando]http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/1085089895_ennGb-X2.jpg[/expando] [expando]http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/1085087932_EiEe7-X2.jpg[/expando]

Could that be Saunders as his alter ego? Quite a resemblance

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Re: Norman Saunders
« Reply #46 on: November 10, 2010, 10:45:20 PM »
Could that be Saunders as his alter ego? Quite a resemblance


David Saunders can correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure the one one on the left, the actual Saunders piece is based on him, he used a mirror and photos of himself alot and the women were often based on his wife...
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Re: Norman Saunders
« Reply #47 on: November 10, 2010, 11:19:46 PM »

David Saunders can correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure the one one on the left, the actual Saunders piece is based on him, he used a mirror and photos of himself alot and the women were often based on his wife...

She must have been a fiery vixen!

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Re: Norman Saunders
« Reply #48 on: November 10, 2010, 11:27:23 PM »
Could this be Norm's wife?



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« Reply #49 on: November 11, 2010, 12:12:45 AM »
She must have been a fiery vixen!
I doubt he'd have painted her any other way.
She was a great model though. Check out the pics of her in your Norm Saunders book.

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« Reply #50 on: November 11, 2010, 03:22:09 AM »
I saw this on Matt's Flickr page..i love the darkness and the water detail is stunning

http://www.flickr.com/photos/73902814@N00/3944133447/

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Re: Norman Saunders
« Reply #51 on: January 11, 2011, 12:42:40 AM »
[expando]http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/1153510542_L2eaq-O.jpg[/expando]There are a few more Norman Saunders artworks up for auction at Heritage....  


This one is a bit different than the average Saunders piece.

[expando]http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/1153506607_b7k46-XL.jpg[/expando]


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Re: Norman Saunders
« Reply #52 on: January 11, 2011, 03:14:01 AM »
[expando]http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/1153510542_L2eaq-O.jpg[/expando]There are a few more Norman Saunders artworks up for auction at Heritage....  

Congratulations to Eric Roberts, the guy who will win them.

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« Reply #53 on: January 11, 2011, 02:45:37 PM »
Congratulations to Eric Roberts, the guy who will win them.

It's good to be the King. 
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« Reply #54 on: January 11, 2011, 03:39:02 PM »
It's good to be the King. 

I'm just glad he doesn't collect the newer series because he would be tough competition and would certainly drive prices up!
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Re: Norman Saunders
« Reply #55 on: January 11, 2011, 06:04:20 PM »
When I lived in Chicago about 25 years ago, I was coming home from work.  On the El train I saw a guy with a painting of a Western paperback book cover under his arm.  It wasn't by Saunders, but I quizzed him about it.  It turned out he worked at a Balentine Books warehouse in a western suburb.  He was coming home from work.  He told me that they were cleaning up the warehouse and came up with a bunch of old Balentine paperback cover paintings.  They were done with gouache on illustration board, and they just gave them to the warehouse employees rather than throwing them out.    I don't think Saunders ever worked for Balentine.  But nevertheless, who knows how many covers paintings for the westerns he did will turn up in the future as a result of this type of thing.

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« Reply #56 on: January 11, 2011, 06:45:03 PM »
When I lived in Chicago about 25 years ago, I was coming home from work.  On the El train I saw a guy with a painting of a Western paperback book cover under his arm.  It wasn't by Saunders, but I quizzed him about it.  It turned out he worked at a Balentine Books warehouse in a western suburb.  He was coming home from work.  He told me that they were cleaning up the warehouse and came up with a bunch of old Balentine paperback cover paintings.  They were done with gouache on illustration board, and they just gave them to the warehouse employees rather than throwing them out.    I don't think Saunders ever worked for Balentine.  But nevertheless, who knows how many covers paintings for the westerns he did will turn up in the future as a result of this type of thing.
Cool story!  I hope many show up and maybe a few can end up in us "average joe" hands!
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« Reply #57 on: January 11, 2011, 06:57:08 PM »
Cool story!  I hope many show up and maybe a few can end up in us "average joe" hands!
Don’t give 'em to Smokin’ Joe, he’ll smudge ‘em up!      ;D

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« Reply #58 on: January 12, 2011, 12:59:45 AM »
I'm just glad he doesn't collect the newer series because he would be tough competition and would certainly drive prices up!
If he collected ANS he would be competition for us the way Godzilla is competition for Bambi.

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« Reply #59 on: January 12, 2011, 08:05:53 AM »
If he collected ANS he would be competition for us the way Godzilla is competition for Bambi.

Yup, you either open your wallet a little wider and go to battle or give up before it starts, and I would probably pick giving up. 

I remember when I first starting getting serious about collecting Wackys there was Kirk Daniel, and you knew if he was bidding on something you wanted you had about a 1% chance of winning.  I remember at one point he told me he had over 15 complete 67' die-cut sets.  One set wasn't enough for him!
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Re: Norman Saunders
« Reply #60 on: January 12, 2011, 10:59:30 AM »
[expando]http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/1153510542_L2eaq-O.jpg[/expando]There are a few more Norman Saunders artworks up for auction at Heritage....  


This one is a bit different than the average Saunders piece.

[expando]http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/1153506607_b7k46-XL.jpg[/expando]



I have been told that Heritage is slowly piecing out a collection of thousands of pieces of art which included many Saunders pieces.  This may create some opportunities for some of us to pick up a piece as even the big money guys aren't going to run every piece up to $20-$50k.  I am still pissed I missed that $4k piece in August.
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Re: Norman Saunders
« Reply #61 on: January 12, 2011, 11:00:09 AM »
Don’t give 'em to Smokin’ Joe, he’ll smudge ‘em up!      ;D
....out of excitement?
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« Reply #62 on: January 15, 2011, 08:59:11 AM »
....out of excitement?
Just his bit of a reputation with sketch cards, smudging them. Yeah, a looong stretch, I know

This is a great thread!

Here's my 2 Certs. From what I understand, these were done by Norm, or he was a part of a team that worked on the project. 

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Re: Norman Saunders
« Reply #63 on: January 15, 2011, 10:14:39 AM »
Just his bit of a reputation with sketch cards, smudging them. Yeah, a looong stretch, I know

This is a great thread!

Here's my 2 Certs. From what I understand, these were done by Norm, or he was a part of a team that worked on the project. 

                  [expando]http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z332/rbishop224/batman-1_11.gif[/expando]   [expando]http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z332/rbishop224/batman-1_10.gif[/expando]   [expando]http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z332/rbishop224/batman-1_09.gif[/expando]
Are these on heritage too?  Illustration House has some Norm paintings for sale at fixed prices that one doesn't have to chase in auction and fear shilling.
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« Reply #64 on: January 15, 2011, 02:18:21 PM »
Are these on heritage too?  Illustration House has some Norm paintings for sale at fixed prices that one doesn't have to chase in auction and fear shilling.
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« Reply #65 on: February 21, 2011, 06:33:02 AM »
Wow I never knew Norm was from Minnesota like me what city did he live in I live in Lindstrom MN in Chisago county.
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Re: Norman Saunders
« Reply #66 on: March 31, 2011, 08:48:18 PM »
More artwork from Norman Saunders in upcoming auction in May.  This is such a beautiful piece.

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Re: Norman Saunders
« Reply #67 on: March 31, 2011, 09:16:19 PM »
More artwork from Norman Saunders in upcoming auction in May.  This is such a beautiful piece.

[expando]http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/1235620880_2a359-X2.jpg[/expando]
All scantily clad women from almost any artist sold for big bucks in the last Heritage auction.  It was ridiculous!
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« Reply #68 on: March 31, 2011, 10:00:12 PM »
More artwork from Norman Saunders in upcoming auction in May.  This is such a beautiful piece.

[expando]http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/1235620880_2a359-X2.jpg[/expando]

I could stare at that for a long time. Awesome.

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Re: Norman Saunders
« Reply #69 on: April 28, 2011, 11:11:30 AM »

 

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