WP Forum PSA Thread

[bandaches]

Found something that I don't believe has been on ebay for a while and is a bit underrated on toughness.

eBay auction: #272809917149

The SMR price guide indicates this price is too high! What is your opinion?

With that centering, how did it get a grade without a qualifier?

[bigtomi]

With that centering, how did it get a grade without a qualifier?

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you can request no qualifiers and the grade is lowered accordingly.

[Paul_Maul]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you can request no qualifiers and the grade is lowered accordingly.

Yes, it is usually lowered two grades in lieu of the qualifier.

[bandaches]

Yes, it is usually lowered two grades in lieu of the qualifier.

For a $10,000 item the scans sure are poor!  I am not finding I can zoom in on this.  I guess it could be PSA8 material sans he centering as the corners look solid.

[Paul_Maul]

Not a great quality scan. Nutzaboutcards and clevelandkid are worse. If you expect to sell four figure cards, can't you at least invest in a good scanner?

[NationalSpittoon]

I bought it from someone else. There's a guy I met through Collectors Universe forums who digs up great wackys and usually offers them to me before putting them on eBay. The submission he just got back was unbelievable. Two of the 10s were on eBay last night but are now gone.

What were the tens?

[Paul_Maul]

What were the tens?

Ajerx and Fishbone white backs. I think for Ajerx it was the first 10.

[NationalSpittoon]

Ajerx and Fishbone white backs. I think for Ajerx it was the first 10.

Yep. Checked the population report for white back 2nds and the Ajerx is 1 of 1, and the Fishbone is 1 of 2. Any idea what he sold them for? Or what is his ebay name?

EDIT: His ebay ID is "cardster1", Fishbone sold for $550.

He also sold the only Jerkyfruits MINT 9 for $800. Along with Series 9 Shake n Skip GEM MINT 10 for $600, Pop 1 of 2. GEM MINT 10 Czechlets Pop 1 of 3 sold for $480. He also sold a couple red ludlow 2nds, lots of rarities.
Here's a link to his profile for those interested, he has several other PSA's on there including a NM-MT 8 Black Lud Boo Hoo and several 10's. Along with a full series 1 set raw.

http://www.ebay.com/usr/cardster1

[Paul_Maul]

Alert....if anyone is considering purchasing any of the 1st series PSA Wackys currently being offered by smrcollectibles on eBay, you should know they are all 1979 test stickers. Not sure where they came from, but the die cuts show them to not be real 1st series stickers.

[NationalSpittoon]

Alert....if anyone is considering purchasing any of the 1st series PSA Wackys currently being offered by smrcollectibles on eBay, you should know they are all 1979 test stickers. Not sure where they came from, but the die cuts show them to not be real 1st series stickers.

Hmm. Wasn't there someone on the forum a while ago who wanted to purchase PSA graded 1sts without lines around the border? I would probably stab at the Mrs Klean so I would have a 79 test sticker but I'm not sure about being allowed to take the card out of the holder. Not sure if there's a process for that.

[Paul_Maul]

Hmm. Wasn't there someone on the forum a while ago who wanted to purchase PSA graded 1sts without lines around the border? I would probably stab at the Mrs Klean so I would have a 79 test sticker but I'm not sure about being allowed to take the card out of the holder. Not sure if there's a process for that.

What do you mean by "allowed?"

[NationalSpittoon]

What do you mean by "allowed?"

Bad wording on my part. I meant to ask about there being some sort of procedure needed to delete the cert. off of PSA or something.

[Paul_Maul]

Bad wording on my part. I meant to ask about there being some sort of procedure needed to delete the cert. off of PSA or something.

Yeah, well in theory, if you crack a card out to resubmit it, they want you to send them the cert label, but frankly no one ever bothers, so the pop report is already FUBAR. Especially for high demand cards where a bump is worth big money, the pop report is really inaccurate in bumpable grades.

[NationalSpittoon]

Yeah, well in theory, if you crack a card out to resubmit it, they want you to send them the cert label, but frankly no one ever bothers, so the pop report is already FUBAR. Especially for high demand cards where a bump is worth big money, the pop report is really inaccurate in bumpable grades.

I can see what you mean with bumpable grades. (With emphasis being put on cards like a Jolly Mean 21 VG3, Ratz AUTH, Cracked AUTH.)

I wonder why people will keep a card like T206 Honus Wagner graded at AUTH? Is it because people will pay more to have it in their registry? Will people pay less raw because they want it in their registry and have to get it graded at a higher premium than normal to do so? Either way it would sell for big money, but none get "bumped" even though one might prefer it non graded, and/or want the thrill of it coming back getting a better grade than expected. What do you think?

[Paul_Maul]

I'm not sure what you're saying, but cards that are graded AUTH are usually that way because they are deemed to be altered.

For a T206 Wagner the AUTH is huge because it shows it is not a fake.

I'm saying (for example) that the population of 8s is usually inflated because a 9 is often worth 5-10 times more, so trying to re-sub has a big upside.

For example I just picked up this '73 Clemente because I feel it is a super nice 8 that could reasonably be a 9. If I ever feel like cracking and re-submitting (or reviewing) it could go from an $80 card to $400+. For really valuable cards that are high end the card may be re-subbed many times looking for that valuable bump, thereby throwing the pop report into disarray.

[NationalSpittoon]

I'm not sure what you're saying, but cards that are graded AUTH are usually that way because they are deemed to be altered.

For a T206 Wagner the AUTH is huge because it shows it is not a fake.

I'm saying (for example) that the population of 8s is usually inflated because a 9 is often worth 5-10 times more, so trying to re-sub has a big upside.

For example I just picked up this '73 Clemente because I feel it is a super nice 8 that could reasonably be a 9. If I ever feel like cracking and re-submitting (or reviewing) it could go from an $80 card to $400+. For really valuable cards that are high end the card may be re-subbed many times looking for that valuable bump, thereby throwing the pop report into disarray.

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Here you see my confusion. I thought what you meant by "Bump" was to take the card out of the holder and own it raw. Now I understand what you are talking about.

[Paul_Maul]

Here you see my confusion. I thought what you meant by "Bump" was to take the card out of the holder and own it raw. Now I understand what you are talking about.

Oh, sorry, yeah, bump means the grade of the card is increased upon review or resubmission.

[freetoes]

I'm not sure what you're saying, but cards that are graded AUTH are usually that way because they are deemed to be altered.

For a T206 Wagner the AUTH is huge because it shows it is not a fake.

I'm saying (for example) that the population of 8s is usually inflated because a 9 is often worth 5-10 times more, so trying to re-sub has a big upside.

For example I just picked up this '73 Clemente because I feel it is a super nice 8 that could reasonably be a 9. If I ever feel like cracking and re-submitting (or reviewing) it could go from an $80 card to $400+. For really valuable cards that are high end the card may be re-subbed many times looking for that valuable bump, thereby throwing the pop report into disarray.

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I didn't know there was a 1973 Clemente card.  By Opening Day (around the time the first original series Wackys appeared), he had been elected posthumously to the HOF.

[NationalSpittoon]

Anyone who needs PSA 9 series 9 titles should go to Cardster1's ebay as he listed several, along with series 2 and 3 titles as well. The link is still in an above post of mine.

(8/27) - Cardster1 listed five 1967 Diecuts including Moron Salt and Campy.

[Paul_Maul]

Picked up a triple upgrade from cardster....from a toned, PSA 8 possible wonder bread to a nice white, two asterisk PSA 9!

[Bigmuc13]

Nice!  you are really adding some nice high grade stickers to your collection lately

[Paul_Maul]

I find the 4th series really aggravating because so many are toned. There aren't enough high grade glossies around to go that route like there are with 5ths, so I've had a really hard time finding nice, white ones.

[RawGoo]

Wish I had seen that Raw Goo!

[NationalSpittoon]

Very nice.

[BustedFinger]

Wish I had seen that Raw Goo!

Yeah, your avatar looks a little toned.

[Slaytex99]

Yeah, your avatar looks a little toned.

Yes and only one asterisk! 

[jleonard1967]

Alert....if anyone is considering purchasing any of the 1st series PSA Wackys currently being offered by smrcollectibles on eBay, you should know they are all 1979 test stickers. Not sure where they came from, but the die cuts show them to not be real 1st series stickers.

Good to know. To bad for the person who purchased the PSA 9 lavirus. Good eye on that. I did not notice it.  How much is a test series worth though?

[NationalSpittoon]

Hope someone else partook in "Nutzaboutcards" fire sale last night. Lots of PSA wackies went up and only a NM/MT 8 Garbage Candy even went over 40 bucks. With wanting to save up for the fall show I only bid on a Dimwit Dots PSA 8 and got outbid in the end by a dollar. (Would have probably bid again if I didn't have to stay up to ten o' clock..) Should've bid on the Shots PSA 7 to go with my 5th series because it only went for like 3 dollars or something.

eBay auction: #302429061259

[Paul_Maul]

Running actual auctions gives sobering insight into what stuff is actually worth. Die cuts, 1st and 16th series aside, there is a yawning chasm between PSA 8 and PSA 9 values these days.

[Paul_Maul]

Actually, looking at the results, a lot of the 8s sold for more than I would have expected.

[NationalSpittoon]

My first ever PSA Submission, I subbed two cards with Paul_Maul's order. (Thanks!!)

         

[Paul_Maul]

Congratulations on getting some good grades, glad it was not a disappointment!

[bigtomi]

My first ever PSA Submission, I subbed two cards with Paul_Maul's order. (Thanks!!)

Congrats! Very nice!

[ratchet007]

Congrats Mark. Nice grades. I remember my first submission like it was yesterday.

[NationalSpittoon]

Anyone get anything new?

Changed the name to something a little less cringe-worthy. (It used to be the WP Forum PSA Archive.)