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Offline Shrunken Donuts

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When did Wackys "jump the shark?"
« on: July 12, 2017, 04:37:59 PM »
I'd have to trace it back to 2008 with the release of the Flashback Series. Up until that point, it was fun to collect the newer stuff because all the "chase" cards were obtainable. Even something like Coach Motel, while frustratingly underproduced, was a realistic goal for everyone. Then came the Flasback Series and those DAMN GOLD BORDERS!!!  What was it, 70+ Gold titles to obtain with a chance of a gold border in like 1 in every 208 packs?  99% of us could no longer "collect them all."  It was all downhill from there. By the way, could Topps have picked a WORSE time to have collectors chasing these Willy Wonka golden tickets with the economy tanking in '08 and '09?  Look at all the ANS releases after the Flasbacks: The ridiculous odds, the sketch cards, all the border variations and special subsets and border variations *OF* subsets, etc, etc. ?  It was game over for many collectors.

Offline NationalSpittoon

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Re: When did Wackys "jump the shark?"
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2017, 04:58:16 PM »
I believe we can all agree with you in the fact that there are too many chase items with terrible odds. It's almost like you could win the lottery before you pull one of these items....

...and then you buy the item in question because you have the money for it.  :]


We can all pray that we can have an OLDS 6 with straight tan or white backs... PICK ONE.
And there are no chase cards. One checklist per pack.
Because they actually want these to be like the OS, right!?

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Re: When did Wackys "jump the shark?"
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2017, 06:43:03 PM »
I'd have to trace it back to 2008 with the release of the Flashback Series. Up until that point, it was fun to collect the newer stuff because all the "chase" cards were obtainable. Even something like Coach Motel, while frustratingly underproduced, was a realistic goal for everyone. Then came the Flasback Series and those DAMN GOLD BORDERS!!!  What was it, 70+ Gold titles to obtain with a chance of a gold border in like 1 in every 208 packs?  99% of us could no longer "collect them all."  It was all downhill from there. By the way, could Topps have picked a WORSE time to have collectors chasing these Willy Wonka golden tickets with the economy tanking in '08 and '09?  Look at all the ANS releases after the Flasbacks: The ridiculous odds, the sketch cards, all the border variations and special subsets and border variations *OF* subsets, etc, etc. ?  It was game over for many collectors.
forgetting about the fact that the odds were bad, it was chasing garbage!  gold colored borders?  Really?
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Offline MoldRush

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Re: When did Wackys "jump the shark?"
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2017, 07:57:52 PM »
While I understand (and sometimes buy into) the completist tendencies of collecting in general, the concept of extremely underproduced chase cards has been around for about 25 years now, and the long-term value retention of these cards, or lack thereof, more often than not does not justify acquiring them.  What is intrinsically valuable about a gold-bordered variation sticker?  I have the utmost respect for the Mag 7 OS pulled titles, die cuts, etc because these were the unintended result of forced production changes.  The ANS-era chase cards are a contrived rarity.  When the parallel border sets started I just scaled back to base sets and the basic subsets, be they foils, magnets, static clings, etc., and whatever bonus box and blister pack bonus cards I could get relatively easily.  For me, jumping the shark has more to do with a drop-off in artistic quality rather than the attainability of chase cards.  For the latter, I simply lower my expectations and adjust my collecting strategy accordingly.

Offline Shrunken Donuts

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Re: When did Wackys "jump the shark?"
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2017, 08:09:28 PM »
Yep, a more accurate name for them would have been "mustard" borders.  Topps should have left the borders black and had an all gold background instead -- a TRUE gold. And made this gold subset tough yet obtainable. Maybe 2-3 golds per box. Instead they opted for unrealistic odds, mustard borders and distracting backgrounds.  >(

Re: When did Wackys "jump the shark?"
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2017, 08:03:08 AM »
For me, it was ANS6.
That was the introduction of the Mega Packs. More than doubling the amount of swill to buy in order to get the chase cards. Coupled with a near doubling of the pack odds to get the chase cards. Meaning 4 times the swill to collect the set. Blatant money grab by Topps.

Offline Swiski

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Re: When did Wackys "jump the shark?"
« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2017, 12:22:54 PM »
I was satisfied until the MLB Baseball set last year. Then it all started going down hill. Don't like made-up products at all. It defeats the purpose of making a parody!

Offline slamjim

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Re: When did Wackys "jump the shark?"
« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2017, 05:21:45 PM »
Don't expect Olds 6 to be in packs or a box. I think it's going to come out as a set to buy due to costs and the last sets sales. Nice simple set of 31 cards (white back I think).

Offline bigtomi

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Re: When did Wackys "jump the shark?"
« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2017, 05:30:54 PM »
Don't expect Olds 6 to be in packs or a box. I think it's going to come out as a set to buy due to costs and the last sets sales. Nice simple set of 31 cards (white back I think).
Interesting. Would miss having a box and packs to open to be surprised by the contents...but, OTOH, less "stuff" to keep/store appeals to me.

Offline drono

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Re: When did Wackys "jump the shark?"
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2017, 01:25:04 PM »
For me it was OS16.  It's been all downhill since then.

Offline lucidjc

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Re: When did Wackys "jump the shark?"
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2017, 01:26:56 PM »
Don't expect Olds 6 to be in packs or a box. I think it's going to come out as a set to buy due to costs and the last sets sales. Nice simple set of 31 cards (white back I think).

How will the sketch be incorporated?



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Re: When did Wackys "jump the shark?"
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2017, 01:39:31 PM »
For me it was OS16.  It's been all downhill since then.
LOL

Offline bigtomi

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Re: When did Wackys "jump the shark?"
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2017, 01:42:48 PM »
How will the sketch be incorporated?
Dave will come to your house and draw it for you.  hehehehe

Offline DrDeal

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Re: When did Wackys "jump the shark?"
« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2017, 02:26:31 PM »
Don't expect Olds 6 to be in packs or a box. I think it's going to come out as a set to buy due to costs and the last sets sales. Nice simple set of 31 cards (white back I think).

Looking forward to Olds 6 being sold as a set. How much will the gold border sets limited to 50 sets go for? Will there also be pink flourescent background sets for sale?

Offline slamjim

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Re: When did Wackys "jump the shark?"
« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2017, 08:17:07 PM »
Looking forward to Olds 6 being sold as a set. How much will the gold border sets limited to 50 sets go for? Will there also be pink flourescent background sets for sale?

Don't think they will have anything but a white or tan back available (I think it will be white). Don;t know anything about sketches yet.

Offline NationalSpittoon

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Re: When did Wackys "jump the shark?"
« Reply #15 on: July 17, 2017, 03:28:39 AM »
Don't think they will have anything but a white or tan back available (I think it will be white). Don;t know anything about sketches yet.

Not having sketches doesn't bother me too much honestly.. And if they are all white back it would be great!

IMO, less inserts = BETTER. I will miss the packs though. That takes a part out of the fun of opening old packs.

Offline DrDeal

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Re: When did Wackys "jump the shark?"
« Reply #16 on: July 17, 2017, 04:27:53 AM »
Don't think they will have anything but a white or tan back available (I think it will be white). Don;t know anything about sketches yet.
Glad to hear that. I didn't really expect gold or pink border sets. Nice to hear this release will not be a "maximum collector expenditure" type of set. Looking forward to a set with traditional black borders. I don't prefer the borderless Wackies we got in the 50th set.

Offline Beanball

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Re: When did Wackys "jump the shark?"
« Reply #17 on: July 17, 2017, 10:54:04 AM »
Don't think they will have anything but a white or tan back available (I think it will be white). Don;t know anything about sketches yet.
Maybe it can be wrapped in a pack and inserted in a mini display box.
Just saying.
Pass the word.
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