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Offline Bigmuc13

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Re: Prices for OS Unopened Packs
« Reply #35 on: March 15, 2018, 08:03:13 AM »
Steve,

It's been years since packs and boxes showed up for public sale regularly, but even 10-15 years ago there was a stark difference in availability for early series boxes compared to later ones. I would estimate I have seen 6th, 7th, 9th 10th, 14th and 15th series boxes at least ten times each over the years, whereas I can count the number of legit series 1-5 boxes I have seen on a single hand. I used to own a 2nd series box and there was a Bum/Choke checklist 4th box broken up a few years ago that I recall. But for the most part they just aren't around. Then again, that's what I thought about 11ths until two turned up, so one never knows!

A bout a year and a half ago someone had put a full series 3 box and a partial series 3 box.  I think the full box went for something crazy like 15k, but maybe not that high.  My memory is spotty these days.  Does anyone still have the link to those auctions or remember the prices on them?
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Offline Paul_Maul

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Re: Prices for OS Unopened Packs
« Reply #36 on: March 15, 2018, 08:38:17 AM »
A bout a year and a half ago someone had put a full series 3 box and a partial series 3 box.  I think the full box went for something crazy like 15k, but maybe not that high.  My memory is spotty these days.  Does anyone still have the link to those auctions or remember the prices on them?

If you mean the box with red packs, my foggy recollection is that Eric Roberts bought that and returned it because the packs were resealed.

Offline Bigmuc13

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Re: Prices for OS Unopened Packs
« Reply #37 on: March 15, 2018, 08:40:04 AM »
If you mean the box with red packs, my foggy recollection is that Eric Roberts bought that and returned it because the packs were resealed.

Yes, and wow I had not heard that.  That really stinks.  A find that seems to go to be true usually is I guess.
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Offline Paul_Maul

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Re: Prices for OS Unopened Packs
« Reply #38 on: March 15, 2018, 08:44:17 AM »
Yes, and wow I had not heard that.  That really stinks.  A find that seems to go to be true usually is I guess.

Don't quote me on this because I can't remember where I heard it. I am looking through PMs, but that is my recollection.

Offline bigtomi

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Re: Prices for OS Unopened Packs
« Reply #39 on: March 15, 2018, 03:26:06 PM »
Where have all of the original boxes gone?
Long time passin'...

couldn't resist

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Re: Prices for OS Unopened Packs
« Reply #40 on: March 17, 2018, 05:00:07 PM »
Long time passin'...

couldn't resist
Original series boxes show up all the time, full original packs in original boxes rarely show up, full original boxes full of packs accumulated over time show up from time to time.  Original series packs are on ebay weekly....so one can accumulate those packs and make "full" boxes.   The packs on ebay seem to be series 5 and later.
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Offline Paul_Maul

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Re: Prices for OS Unopened Packs
« Reply #41 on: March 18, 2018, 03:16:53 AM »
Original series boxes show up all the time, full original packs in original boxes rarely show up, full original boxes full of packs accumulated over time show up from time to time.  Original series packs are on ebay weekly....so one can accumulate those packs and make "full" boxes.   The packs on ebay seem to be series 5 and later.

The packs that are on eBay weekly are the same ones that are there every week, not new finds, hardly ever. They are the same few overpriced common packs. I'm not seeing enough packs for sale on eBay to fill boxes, not even close. As for empty boxes, they don't show up all the time, they show up once in a while in crappy shape.


Offline DynamicTwo

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Re: Prices for OS Unopened Packs
« Reply #42 on: March 18, 2018, 08:55:18 PM »
I guess I must be looking in the wrong place but where are the boxes that show up frequently? I saw a large number of series 7 packs No Gum show up last year, but I don't even remember one original box on eBay last year. Maybe I missed it.

But when I do buy boxes, I check to make sure that the number of packs have an even number of similar advertisements on the back; like 24 of one, 12 of another and 12 of another.
The series 11 box I bought 2 years ago had the correct ratio of ad backs. Now it could have been put together with the correct number of packs, but how would we ever know that? Also, who has a supply of series 11 packs?

I knew that Eric bought the partial box, but did not hear that he had to return it. Ouch. I have had a number of dealings with him in the past, and he is always a pleasure to deal with. Unfortunately, he is looking for the rarest of the rare that just does not turn up every day, especially when you want to upgrade what is already pretty damn nice.

I don't have that same issue with sports card boxes since they sell for extraordinary prices that the normal collector just can't afford. The investors have that market as they open them and grade the cards looking for the perfect 10. Every year, there are less and less unopened product becoming available.

But my display in Cleveland this summer will highlight such unopened packs and boxes, mostly sports but I will have at least one showcase of unopened non sports packs and boxes, including original Wackys, I will send you all a near complete list of what I will be bringing with me sometime in May or June, even though the show is in August.

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Steve Sabow
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P.S. I often advertise in The Wrapper, and will have an ad in the issue that comes out in about 7 weeks and the issue that follows that one, just not the latest issue. My contact information is always in my ad.



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Re: Prices for OS Unopened Packs
« Reply #43 on: March 20, 2018, 06:50:42 PM »
The packs that are on eBay weekly are the same ones that are there every week, not new finds, hardly ever. They are the same few overpriced common packs. I'm not seeing enough packs for sale on eBay to fill boxes, not even close. As for empty boxes, they don't show up all the time, they show up once in a while in crappy shape.
crappy shape is not part of the equation.  overpriced is also not part of the equation.  I did a 2 second scan of sold auctions and found packs from series 6-10 which is exactly what I said in terms of packs often showing up on ebay.
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Re: Prices for OS Unopened Packs
« Reply #44 on: March 20, 2018, 06:55:13 PM »
I guess I must be looking in the wrong place but where are the boxes that show up frequently? I saw a large number of series 7 packs No Gum show up last year, but I don't even remember one original box on eBay last year. Maybe I missed it.

But when I do buy boxes, I check to make sure that the number of packs have an even number of similar advertisements on the back; like 24 of one, 12 of another and 12 of another.
The series 11 box I bought 2 years ago had the correct ratio of ad backs. Now it could have been put together with the correct number of packs, but how would we ever know that? Also, who has a supply of series 11 packs?

I knew that Eric bought the partial box, but did not hear that he had to return it. Ouch. I have had a number of dealings with him in the past, and he is always a pleasure to deal with. Unfortunately, he is looking for the rarest of the rare that just does not turn up every day, especially when you want to upgrade what is already pretty damn nice.

I don't have that same issue with sports card boxes since they sell for extraordinary prices that the normal collector just can't afford. The investors have that market as they open them and grade the cards looking for the perfect 10. Every year, there are less and less unopened product becoming available.

But my display in Cleveland this summer will highlight such unopened packs and boxes, mostly sports but I will have at least one showcase of unopened non sports packs and boxes, including original Wackys, I will send you all a near complete list of what I will be bringing with me sometime in May or June, even though the show is in August.

Regards,

Steve Sabow
DynamicTwo

P.S. I often advertise in The Wrapper, and will have an ad in the issue that comes out in about 7 weeks and the issue that follows that one, just not the latest issue. My contact information is always in my ad.
Series 3, 10 and 12 display boxes all showed up and sold recently.  Not worth getting into an argument on the definition of frequently.  My assessment which breaks down the differences of the types of boxes and frequency ratios are dead on.
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Offline DynamicTwo

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Re: Prices for OS Unopened Packs
« Reply #45 on: March 20, 2018, 07:51:14 PM »
I guess that I must not have been paying full attention recently and missed their listings. I would have been interested in all three of them, especially series 3. I have been spending too much time on sports unopened packs and boxes, which sell themselves quickly. My focus has been strictly 1948 to 1970 for all four sports. Just tough to pass up on when they become available. Maybe the reader who bought the series 3 box wants to resell it?

Offline DynamicTwo

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Re: Prices for OS Unopened Packs
« Reply #46 on: March 20, 2018, 07:54:01 PM »
I think I misunderstood -- I am only looking for unopened boxes. And your assessment was for packs and empty display boxes. I get it.

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Re: Prices for OS Unopened Packs
« Reply #47 on: March 21, 2018, 05:25:16 AM »
I think I misunderstood -- I am only looking for unopened boxes. And your assessment was for packs and empty display boxes. I get it.
Yes, I outlined the different ways boxes can be collected with details around each as often people intermix "full boxes" with original state full box.  You are dead on that original state full boxes would be strictly collated with a pattern.  I don't believe this is commonly known which is why fraudsters don't hesitate to just take a pile of accumulated packs to fill a box to sell as a "full box" creating the mirage this is original state full box(which in my opinion deserves a premium value).  Those such boxes are very rare with maybe one per year showing up.
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Offline MoldRush

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Re: Prices for OS Unopened Packs
« Reply #48 on: March 21, 2018, 08:11:02 AM »
Back in the 90's I bought a price guide and general collector info for unopened packs, cellos, rack packs, etc. of sportscards.  The author was a dealer specializing in unopened material, I believe the name is Mark Murphy.  Anyway, one tip he gave to ensure you're dealing with an original state box is to pick up each stack of packs within the box and look for perfect consistency in the folding patterns, any dog-eared flaps curled around the edges of packs, the area where packs are sealed, etc.  Since they came off the production line consecutively to fill the original box, these traits should all be identical and packs should nest together closely (though Wackys may not do that as well with gum sliding around that's thicker than the cards themselves).

Offline Paul_Maul

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Re: Prices for OS Unopened Packs
« Reply #49 on: March 21, 2018, 08:26:07 AM »
Back in the 90's I bought a price guide and general collector info for unopened packs, cellos, rack packs, etc. of sportscards.  The author was a dealer specializing in unopened material, I believe the name is Mark Murphy.  Anyway, one tip he gave to ensure you're dealing with an original state box is to pick up each stack of packs within the box and look for perfect consistency in the folding patterns, any dog-eared flaps curled around the edges of packs, the area where packs are sealed, etc.  Since they came off the production line consecutively to fill the original box, these traits should all be identical and packs should nest together closely (though Wackys may not do that as well with gum sliding around that's thicker than the cards themselves).


That's absolutely all true. If you're able to examine the packs (i.e. the box is not sealed by BBCE) it's usually very obvious whether a box is original or not. I once examined a 3rd series full box and it was very obvious that the packs were from exactly two sources. One group had completely different shades of yellow and blue on the wrappers compared to the other. One group was extremely fresh while the other group of packs looked more dingy. That's why I hate buying/selling wrapped boxes unless there are detailed photos of the packs taken prior to wrapping.

Offline DynamicTwo

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Re: Prices for OS Unopened Packs
« Reply #50 on: March 21, 2018, 02:52:06 PM »
As a collector and dealer in unopened sports and non sports cards, I keep copies of the following on hand at all times;

-- Mark Murphy's "The World's Best Unopened Pack, Wrapper and Display Box Guide"

-- Alan "Mr. Mint" Rosen -- The Michigan Million Dollar Vintage Unopened Pack Auction"

Neither are perfect, but together they show copies of most sports packs and the second auction catalog contains pictures of most non sports too into the early 1970s.

Unfortunately, there are some rare or tough sports packs in particular that neither guide can help with, and even PSA is sometimes no help.

Net 54 can sometimes help but some packs are just so rare that the available knowledge is non existent.

NOTE: Both are very old so out of date prices, just great for the pix.

No Wackys in the auction catalog except for the 1967 diecut, which I would gladly buy all day at the estimated $200 to $500.


Offline MoldRush

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Re: Prices for OS Unopened Packs
« Reply #51 on: March 21, 2018, 04:18:27 PM »
Yes, that's the guide (Murphy) I was referring to.  Agreed, an excellent resource regardless of dated pricing, if for no other reason than matching the wrapper designs for each sport and year, plus the general collector tips on what to look for in evaluating material.  There were some things in there I'd never even seen before, such as "tray packs".

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Re: Prices for OS Unopened Packs
« Reply #52 on: March 21, 2018, 06:59:09 PM »
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