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WP Print-on-Demand Bulk Buyer's Club
« on: January 18, 2017, 07:01:27 PM »
These new Topps Online store daily Wacky Packages have been fun, but as every one has noted, they cost a LOT! Unless you buy in bulk....

So, I'm ready to head up a bulk buyer's club - if there's enough interest - for the next print-on-demand series starting next week (1/24/17), for just the new Wacky Package cards released (no GPK)
The key though is that we have dedicated, consistent buyers. You'd have to buy them all, and couldn't pick and choose only the ones that you like.

As was mentioned over in the print-on-demand thread, there's a large discount when buying the print-on-demand cards in bulk (1/2 price or less) when compared to a single card purchase.
The idea is that we can pull together at least 10 purchasers, to drop the price from $10 to $5/card.
And if we can pull together 20 purchasers, it would drop it to $4/card.

The crux of the problem is the cost to re-mail the cards back out to everyone. My idea to minimize that is one shipment for a weekly set of cards. With all the week's cards together, it lowers the postage cost per card. Checking some prices online, it looks like I can do postage, mailer, top-loaders, penny sleeves, for about $3.50.

With the current Disg-race cards, they have been very consistent of late with 3 cards per week. Disg-race ends this week and a new set starts next week. (I'll guess a name of "The First 100 Daze"). Dave G. wasn't sure what form next week will take, but I think at this point we'll have to guess 3 new Wacky cards.

Something to be aware of is how long it'll be before you'll get your cards. They already take forever to ship when using smart-post. The recent ones have taken 2 weeks to get delivered to me after their on-sale date! Add a few more days before all cards for the week show up, and several more days after I re-mail them before they get to you. Looking at ~3.5 weeks from the on-sale date.

My plan:
1. Form Wacky Packages buyer's club member list

if there are 10 (or 20) cards allotted for, then -
2. Collect all the dues for the forthcoming 2 weeks

if, and only if, everyone paid up, then -
3. Purchase bulk set of just the Wacky on each day for the week and post notice of purchases

(if everyone doesn't pay in time, I'll have to forego the purchase though. I don't want to get stuck with extras. I'll post an early notice and refund everyone).

4. After 2 week's worth of Wackys have arrived, I'll pack them up and mail them out to everyone.

5. Rinse and repeat - for as long as Topps is producing these cards and we have enough members in the Club to make it worthwhile.

Example cost for getting singles of each Wacky, if Topps produces 10 cards across 2 weeks:
if we have a 10 card bulk buy - it would be $53.50 for 10 cards mailed
for a 20 card bulk buy - it would be $43.50 for 10 cards mailed

Thoughts? Questions?
Who's In?

Looks like we have 20:
  • Patrick | Fanatical for 2
  • Scot | Sco(o)t for 1
  • Andrew | DrDeal for 1
  • Marc | quas for 1
  • Pat | RawGoo for 2
  • Robert H | Baked Bears for 1
  • Joe | Hustler08 for 2
  • Alex | Alexeirex for 2
  • Dennis | drono for 1
  • Robert K | rdsjnk for 1
  • Paul | Zenergizer for 2
  • Brian | BRUTE-88 for 1
  • Joe | Joe G for 1
  • Brian | BrianMC for 1
  • Mike | Choke_Wagon for 1
« Last Edit: February 03, 2017, 04:30:51 PM by Fanatical_and_Sickly »

Offline sco(o)t

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Re: WP Print-on-Demand Bulk Buyer's Club
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2017, 08:04:16 PM »
I'm ready to head up a bulk buyer's club - if there's enough interest - for the next print-on-demand series starting next week (1/24/17)
The key though, is that I have dedicated, consistent buyers. You'd have to buy them all, and couldn't pick and choose only the ones that you like.

As was mentioned over in the print-on-demand thread, there's a large discount when buying the print-on-demand cards in bulk (50-60%) when compared to a single card purchase.
The idea is that we can pull together at least 10 purchasers, to get to $5/card.
And if we can pull together 20 purchasers, that would drop it to $4/card.

The crux of the problem is the cost to re-mail the cards back out to everyone. My idea to minimize that is one shipment of the weekly lot of cards. With all the week's cards together, it lowers the cost per card. Checking some prices online, it looks like I can do postage, mailer, top-loaders, penny sleeves, for about $3.50. I'll round that to $4 for my effort.

With the current Disg-race cards, they have been very consistent of late with 3 cards per week. Disg-race ends this week and a new set starts next week. (I'll guess a name of "The First 100 Daze"). Dave G. wasn't sure what form next week will take, but I think at this point we'll have to guess 3 new Wacky cards.

Something to be aware of is how long it'll be before you'll get your cards. They already take forever to ship when using smart-post. The recent ones have taken 2 weeks to get delivered to me after their on-sale date! Add a few more days before all cards for the week show up, and several more days after I re-mail them before they get to you. Looking at ~3.5 weeks from the on-sale date.

My plan:
1. Form buyer's club member list

if there are 10 (or 20) cards allotted for, then -
2. Collect all the dues for the forthcoming week

if, and only if, everyone paid up, then -
3. Purchase bulk set of Wacky's on each day for the week and post notice of purchases

(if everyone doesn't pay in time, I'll have to forego the purchase though. I don't want to get stuck with extras. I'll post an early notice and refund everyone).

4. After the week's worth of Wackys have arrived, I'll pack them up and mail them out to everyone.

Weekly cost for getting singles (or doubles) of each Wacky:
if we have a 10 card bulk buy - it would be $19.00 for 3 cards mailed ($34.00 for 6)
if we have a 20 card bulk buy - it would be $16.00 for 3 cards mailed ($28.00 for 6)

Thoughts? Questions?
Who's In? Do we have 10? or maybe 20?

I'm in for 2

sound off below.

I'd be in for one of each.
aka Scot Leibacher (no trademark)

Offline DrDeal

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Re: WP Print-on-Demand Bulk Buyer's Club
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2017, 02:34:07 AM »
Count me in for one of each card. Thanks for doing this.

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Re: WP Print-on-Demand Bulk Buyer's Club
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2017, 05:04:33 AM »
Count me in for one of each card. Thanks for doing this.

Same here.  One of each card.  Thanks!!
Marc

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Re: WP Print-on-Demand Bulk Buyer's Club
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2017, 09:16:10 AM »
Ditto.  One of each card.  (Wackys, not GPKs.)

Re: WP Print-on-Demand Bulk Buyer's Club
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2017, 09:45:18 AM »
Ditto.  One of each card.  (Wackys, not GPKs.)
Yep. This is Wackys only.

This makes 9. 1 more person and the Buyers Club is a "go"

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Re: WP Print-on-Demand Bulk Buyer's Club
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2017, 09:53:13 AM »
Yep. This is Wackys only.

This makes 9. 1 more person and the Buyers Club is a "go"

I am in!! cant pass up a deal!!

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Re: WP Print-on-Demand Bulk Buyer's Club
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2017, 09:56:32 AM »
I am in!! cant pass up a deal!!

one card of each...

Re: WP Print-on-Demand Bulk Buyer's Club
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2017, 10:21:47 AM »
I am in!! cant pass up a deal!!
And there's 10! You're all locked in and I'll send out details in a PM. Likely tomorrow.

If 10 more are interested, we could do a 20 buy, but only if there's 10 more claimed. Anything less wouldn't be viable.

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Re: WP Print-on-Demand Bulk Buyer's Club
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2017, 12:30:46 PM »
Count me in for 2 each - LMK if it's too late to be included - Alex

Re: WP Print-on-Demand Bulk Buyer's Club
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2017, 12:52:41 PM »
Count me in for 2 each - LMK if it's too late to be included - Alex
Have to wait and see. If we can get 8 more cards claimed by Sunday, I can work you in.

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Re: WP Print-on-Demand Bulk Buyer's Club
« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2017, 07:37:02 PM »
If it would lower the postage rate any, or be more convenient, I wouldn't mind if my three weekly cards were all put into one box, as opposed to three separate plastic boxes.

And thanks for your idea - and for doing this.  It has really bothered me - and Mr. Wallet - being gouged week after week for a set of cards that, under normal circumstances, might cost $20 - $30 on eBay if they were simply released as, say, a subset of a larger set (which, in actuality, they are.)

Also, it must be very clear and understood that we all must be faithful in paying up front.  No exceptions, please.  I really like this plan a lot and would like to rely and depend upon it. Besides, I'd hate to go back to having purchase individual cards on a daily basis.  (And everyone please take a moment to thank the Good Lord above for the small miracle that Topps isn't releasing the 50th anniversary set as separate $9.99 cards.   I mean, could you imagine?)

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Re: WP Print-on-Demand Bulk Buyer's Club
« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2017, 02:20:08 AM »
If it would lower the postage rate any, or be more convenient, I wouldn't mind if my three weekly cards were all put into one box, as opposed to three separate plastic boxes.

And thanks for your idea - and for doing this.  It has really bothered me - and Mr. Wallet - being gouged week after week for a set of cards that, under normal circumstances, might cost $20 - $30 on eBay if they were simply released as, say, a subset of a larger set (which, in actuality, they are.)

Also, it must be very clear and understood that we all must be faithful in paying up front.  No exceptions, please.  I really like this plan a lot and would like to rely and depend upon it. Besides, I'd hate to go back to having purchase individual cards on a daily basis.  (And everyone please take a moment to thank the Good Lord above for the small miracle that Topps isn't releasing the 50th anniversary set as separate $9.99 cards.   I mean, could you imagine?)

I am hoping we still get our wackies in those acrylic boxes Topps has been using as of late as I like them to display cards. I consider them to be a small perk you get for purchasing these high end cards. I don't think they add too much weight; but I could be wrong. Whatever is best for the group though.

Andrew

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Re: WP Print-on-Demand Bulk Buyer's Club
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2017, 02:55:48 AM »
I am hoping we still get our wackies in those acrylic boxes Topps has been using as of late as I like them to display cards. I consider them to be a small perk you get for purchasing these high end cards. I don't think they add too much weight; but I could be wrong. Whatever is best for the group though.

Andrew

I expect there will be only one acrylic box per order.

A big thank you to Patrick for doing this!  I would have offered to do it myself, but I have to pay sales tax, which just boosts the price.

Re: WP Print-on-Demand Bulk Buyer's Club
« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2017, 05:51:38 AM »
If it would lower the postage rate any, or be more convenient, I wouldn't mind if my three weekly cards were all put into one box, as opposed to three separate plastic boxes.
that's essentially my proposal. 1 shipment per week, containing the 3 cards for the week. Postage is killer, so the fewer re-mailings, the lower the price. But also, they'd be in top-loaders, not the snap-boxes

Pat suggested 1 shipment of 6 cards every 2 weeks as a way to drop the cost a little more. Not sure how everyone feels about that?

Offline DrDeal

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Re: WP Print-on-Demand Bulk Buyer's Club
« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2017, 06:27:38 AM »
that's essentially my proposal. 1 shipment per week, containing the 3 cards for the week. Postage is killer, so the fewer re-mailings, the lower the price. But also, they'd be in top-loaders, not the snap-boxes

Pat suggested 1 shipment of 6 cards every 2 weeks as a way to drop the cost a little more. Not sure how everyone feels about that?

I prefer but acrylic boxes but can live without them if that's better for the project. Shipments every two weeks to cut down on postage is fine with me.
But if that is the decision; why not send six cards in one of the acrylic boxes and not 6 top loaders. You would have to purchase the top loaders and the boxes are provided by Topps.

Andrew

Re: WP Print-on-Demand Bulk Buyer's Club
« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2017, 06:39:17 AM »
I am hoping we still get our wackies in those acrylic boxes Topps has been using as of late as I like them to display cards. I consider them to be a small perk you get for purchasing these high end cards. I don't think they add too much weight; but I could be wrong. Whatever is best for the group though.

Andrew
those snap boxes are nice, but as Pat indicated, that's not going to be possible when distributing single bulk order purchases out to 8 members in the club.

I was going to propose going in the other direction actually. I've got a good pile of 'used' top loaders around. (why, oh why, do people use cellophane tape on these when shipping? it never comes off and they're ruined!!). If people don't mind ugly toploaders, I'd knock 50 off a week until I used them all up in a few weeks. Two cards can easily fit in one toploader, so I'd double up where possible as well.

My thought with this club is minimizing the price/card for everyone. Then how to display or store is up to you.

Re: WP Print-on-Demand Bulk Buyer's Club
« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2017, 06:53:21 AM »
I prefer but acrylic boxes but can live without them if that's better for the project. Shipments every two weeks to cut down on postage is fine with me.
But if that is the decision; why not send six cards in one of the acrylic boxes and not 6 top loaders. You would have to purchase the top loaders and the boxes are provided by Topps.

Andrew
it'll take 10 orders from topps before I'd have enough snap boxes for everyone.
Options would be to ship every 3-4 weeks, with 10 cards in a snap case. Or still ship weekly or bi-weekly and round robin between toploaders and snap cases as they arrive.

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Re: WP Print-on-Demand Bulk Buyer's Club
« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2017, 06:57:59 AM »
it'll take 10 orders from topps before I'd have enough snap boxes for everyone.
Options would be to ship every 3-4 weeks, with 10 cards in a snap case. Or still ship weekly or bi-weekly and round robin between toploaders and snap cases as they arrive.

I am grateful that you are doing this, and am OK with whatever used ugly top loaders you have!

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Re: WP Print-on-Demand Bulk Buyer's Club
« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2017, 09:31:41 AM »
I am grateful that you are doing this, and am OK with whatever used ugly top loaders you have!

Ditto

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Re: WP Print-on-Demand Bulk Buyer's Club
« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2017, 12:12:19 PM »
I'll take two if you can get it up to 20 buyers, and ugly top loaders with six cards every two weeks is fine with me.

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Re: WP Print-on-Demand Bulk Buyer's Club
« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2017, 12:22:08 PM »
I'm good with top loaders and every two weeks.

Re: WP Print-on-Demand Bulk Buyer's Club
« Reply #22 on: January 21, 2017, 12:35:37 PM »
I'll take two if you can get it up to 20 buyers, and ugly top loaders with six cards every two weeks is fine with me.
have you listed in the 2nd set of 10.

if six more cards can get spoken for in the next day, we can do the 20 Count order @$4 / card.

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Re: WP Print-on-Demand Bulk Buyer's Club
« Reply #23 on: January 21, 2017, 02:49:47 PM »
C'mon, everyone!  6 more isn't that much.  Topps was selling 300 - 400 of these each time around.

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Re: WP Print-on-Demand Bulk Buyer's Club
« Reply #24 on: January 21, 2017, 03:12:18 PM »
I would be in for one of each. Thanks

Robert

Re: WP Print-on-Demand Bulk Buyer's Club
« Reply #25 on: January 21, 2017, 03:20:17 PM »
I would be in for one of each. Thanks

Robert
great! 5 to go
would love to get these down to just $4 a card
« Last Edit: January 21, 2017, 03:22:11 PM by Fanatical_and_Sickly »

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Re: WP Print-on-Demand Bulk Buyer's Club
« Reply #26 on: January 21, 2017, 04:55:42 PM »
Count me in for two (or three if possible)  great idea !

Re: WP Print-on-Demand Bulk Buyer's Club
« Reply #27 on: January 21, 2017, 05:44:10 PM »
Count me in for two (or three if possible)  great idea !
will do. 2, with the potential for 3, depending how many others would still like to join.

3 cards to claim left.

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Re: WP Print-on-Demand Bulk Buyer's Club
« Reply #28 on: January 22, 2017, 12:47:17 AM »
I would be interested in one of each. Thank you.

Re: WP Print-on-Demand Bulk Buyer's Club
« Reply #29 on: January 22, 2017, 05:36:16 AM »
cool. I'll add you to the list

2 to go. But, I think we can close the gap to 20, even if no one else jumps in today. So, I'll plan out the 20 @$4 for everyone! W00t!

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Re: WP Print-on-Demand Bulk Buyer's Club
« Reply #30 on: January 22, 2017, 06:48:58 AM »
cool. I'll add you to the list

2 to go. But, I think we can close the gap to 20, even if no one else jumps in today. So, I'll plan out the 20 @$4 for everyone! W00t!

Go ahead and add me in as well...  I will take 1.

Re: WP Print-on-Demand Bulk Buyer's Club
« Reply #31 on: January 22, 2017, 09:36:22 AM »
**********  PSA for the Buyer's Club  ***********

Note: Monday there is expected to be a special 'event' set for the Inauguration.
Meaning it will almost certainly be just like the Golden Globes, Christmas, etc. special 'event' card sets.
Those 'event' sets were on sale for 1 week and there was NO bulk discount offered.

If there is NO bulk discount with "Inauguration", then the Wackys from the 'event' set will NOT be a part of our Buyer's Club.
Meaning, you will be on your own to purchase any special 'event' cards that do not offer bulk discount, tomorrow or down the road.
We will see for sure on Monday, but I want to give everyone a head's up on this scenario.

I don't think I can factor in the higher cost of these special 'event' sets, as we don't know if there will be one or more Wackys in them ahead of time. So, it will be far easier if I don't. There's also no benefit to routing these 'event' cards to me before they go to you and you might even get a snap case out of it too (for those desiring them)

Let me know if there's any questions or concerns on this, and if you all feel this is a good plan.
« Last Edit: January 22, 2017, 09:38:10 AM by Fanatical_and_Sickly »

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Re: WP Print-on-Demand Bulk Buyer's Club
« Reply #32 on: January 22, 2017, 09:46:22 AM »
Why not print on demand commissions for not for future Wacky Packages ANS Wacky Packages entries?

Offline DrDeal

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Re: WP Print-on-Demand Bulk Buyer's Club
« Reply #33 on: January 22, 2017, 10:10:08 AM »
**********  PSA for the Buyer's Club  ***********

Note: Monday there is expected to be a special 'event' set for the Inauguration.
Meaning it will almost certainly be just like the Golden Globes, Christmas, etc. special 'event' card sets.
Those 'event' sets were on sale for 1 week and there was NO bulk discount offered.

If there is NO bulk discount with "Inauguration", then the Wackys from the 'event' set will NOT be a part of our Buyer's Club.
Meaning, you will be on your own to purchase any special 'event' cards that do not offer bulk discount, tomorrow or down the road.
We will see for sure on Monday, but I want to give everyone a head's up on this scenario.

I don't think I can factor in the higher cost of these special 'event' sets, as we don't know if there will be one or more Wackys in them ahead of time. So, it will be far easier if I don't. There's also no benefit to routing these 'event' cards to me before they go to you and you might even get a snap case out of it too (for those desiring them)

Let me know if there's any questions or concerns on this, and if you all feel this is a good plan.

Sounds good to me. We purchase the special set on our own if there is no bulk discount; but hold for payment instructions from you if there is a bulk discount. Will you be sending out payment instructions today for the first week's 3 cards? Can we pre-pay for two weeks at a time as you will shipping every two week? Can we do Paypal Gift to save you those fees?

Thanks, Andrew

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Re: WP Print-on-Demand Bulk Buyer's Club
« Reply #34 on: January 22, 2017, 10:44:20 AM »
Sounds good to me. We purchase the special set on our own if there is no bulk discount; but hold for payment instructions from you if there is a bulk discount. Will you be sending out payment instructions today for the first week's 3 cards? Can we pre-pay for two weeks at a time as you will shipping every two week? Can we do Paypal Gift to save you those fees?

Thanks, Andrew

I think paypal gift is a given for all these transactions.
Marc