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so likely his 3rd series box label info is also incorrect?
The 3rd series box sticker is most likely to be 5-432-46-01-2, as that is the code used for the 3rd series 1972 baseball box, which is where this sticker was likely borrowed from.(Image removed from quote.)(Image removed from quote.)
Looks like 3rd series wackys were also found in the "new series" stickered boxes according to the $2000+ auction on ebay right now, another wrinkle in the documentation.
I was assuming those were really 2nd series.
He is pretty adamant that these are series 3
I notice the partial box has a mix of 21 and 85 fold packs, so it's not really a "partial box."
Does he have evidence of that? I notice the partial box has a mix of 21 and 85 fold packs, so it's not really a "partial box."
That breaks down to about $222 a pack!
If they turn out to be series 1 packs, will be a bargain for the buyer, this seller doesn't seem to have any clue on what he was selling nor did he care based on the feedback from one of the posts above. The display box is worth a couple hundred so that knocks off like $5 per pack. Imagine if these are Ludlow packs. Didn't someone turn up unopened series 2 Ludlow packs years ago?
Too many "ifs" for me to take a $10K gamble!!
How many full series 3 boxes are in existence? How many Ratz/Cracked combos are out there? From a scarcity point of view, price is about right. Let's watch and see these packs resold on ebay as single packs and see how well the seller does.
There's no reason to think they are 1st series, 2nd series is a lot more likely. The display box is not in great shape, but does have some value. I wouldn't think it that crazy for someone to pay $250 for a 2nd or 3rd red pack, as they have become tough to find. But averaging that for a whole full box is nuts. The highest I've ever seen a box like this sell for is $3800.Ludlow packs is a bit of a stretch, though they do exist.(Image removed from quote.)
If these packs were put on eBay in any quantity, there's no way a price of $225 a pack would hold up. Sure, there are not that many early series full boxes out there, so the value is determined by how much people want it. The problem is, that varies widely over time.And that's assuming the packs are good, which I admit seems likely given the circumstances.
4 bidders thought otherwise so this indicates a bulk of these could easily be sold to 3 other bidders who lost out with very high bids. Eric ended up getting them all so he will kill packs, get his PSA 9-10 set and then sell the rest. Let's see how I do.
There is no reason to think they are first series?? Of course there is, they look exactly the same as 2nd and 3rd series as there is nothing in the photos so suggest one series over another. Now if you meant to say it is not likely due to the box being 2nd series and the seller saying they are 3rd series, I will give you "credit" for that.
how many of those 3 other bidders actually care to buy single packs? they were bidding big to get a full box showcase item.
Yes, Eric won the loose packs, not the full box. Getting PSA 9-10 stickers by killing 2 sticker packs is easier said than done, I wish him luck if that is his plan. One thing is for sure. If resold one or several packs at a time in any quantity, the price will not stand up. The same thing happened with 11th yellow packs when a full box worth hit the market. The price dropped significantly, and the same thing would happen here.
Only one of the boxes was full so it isn't logical to say the bidders for the 25 pack box were bidding to get a full box to show case, that box looked like hell.
Few people care about 11th yellow packs so that was a given. I am willing to bet red series 1,2,3 original packs are far more desirable to the average collector. Weird that Eric didn't even bid on the full box. I think that strongly indicates he plans to kill the packs.
wasn't referring to the partial. we were talking about the full box.
Obviously killing those packs is a financial boondoggle, but Eric probably doesn't care about that, so more power to him. If he gets a few nice stickers I'm sure he'll be happy.
Did anybody ask the seller to describe the backs of the opened third series stickers? Given production timeline, the 3rd series white backs would have been in red packs. These might have been a steal, if they're minty 3rd whites.
I hope some of the packs get opened and the wrappers sold - I could use a red wrapper.
Ok, I don't see 4 bidders that made the price of this box so I assumed the discussion of 4 bidders was across both auctions(Tom?). The bidding on the other box was similar price per pack given the box in the other auction was trashed.