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Re: Wacky Package Reference
« Reply #70 on: June 17, 2016, 09:58:26 PM »
Seems to be a typo, as the box image he has shows a -0 like yours.

Rusty also oddly lists the code as -1, even though he has a much better resolution photo that also clearly shows -0

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Looks like a lot of opportunity for cleanup here, typos and missing data.  Series 8 orange box label is known as I have one.
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Re: Wacky Package Reference
« Reply #71 on: June 18, 2016, 06:03:43 AM »
so likely his 3rd series box label info is also incorrect?
no idea.
I can't tell well enough from the image of the purple box on Greg's site and Rusty doesn't mention the purple box at all.
if someone has that purple 3rd, the unknowns of Greg's listing could be filled in.
"3rd SERIES 5-4??-46-01-2"

As you mention, the 8th series on Greg's site is also incomplete.  I do have that one, on a green box, and the full number is:
8th SERIES 5-465-46-01-4
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Re: Wacky Package Reference
« Reply #72 on: June 18, 2016, 06:31:07 AM »
The 3rd series box sticker is most likely to be 5-432-46-01-2, as that is the code used for the 3rd series 1972 baseball box, which is where this sticker was likely borrowed from.



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Re: Wacky Package Reference
« Reply #73 on: June 18, 2016, 09:33:26 PM »
The 3rd series box sticker is most likely to be 5-432-46-01-2, as that is the code used for the 3rd series 1972 baseball box, which is where this sticker was likely borrowed from.

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Looks like 3rd series wackys were also found in the "new series" stickered boxes according to the $2000+ auction on ebay right now, another wrinkle in the documentation.
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Re: Wacky Package Reference
« Reply #74 on: June 19, 2016, 02:52:50 AM »
Looks like 3rd series wackys were also found in the "new series" stickered boxes according to the $2000+ auction on ebay right now, another wrinkle in the documentation.

I was assuming those were really 2nd series.

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Re: Wacky Package Reference
« Reply #75 on: June 20, 2016, 09:25:44 PM »
I was assuming those were really 2nd series.
He is pretty adamant that these are series 3
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Re: Wacky Package Reference
« Reply #76 on: June 21, 2016, 03:18:41 AM »
He is pretty adamant that these are series 3

Does he have evidence of that? I notice the partial box has a mix of 21 and 85 fold packs, so it's not really a "partial box."

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Re: Wacky Package Reference
« Reply #77 on: June 21, 2016, 05:44:36 AM »
Looks like 3rd series wackys were also found in the "new series" stickered boxes according to the $2000+ auction on ebay right now, another wrinkle in the documentation.

Now up over $7,000!?!
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Re: Wacky Package Reference
« Reply #78 on: June 21, 2016, 02:49:16 PM »
I notice the partial box has a mix of 21 and 85 fold packs, so it's not really a "partial box."
Oh, sure it is. Part of that box and part of another box.   :-\

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Re: Wacky Package Reference
« Reply #79 on: June 22, 2016, 07:03:36 PM »
Does he have evidence of that? I notice the partial box has a mix of 21 and 85 fold packs, so it's not really a "partial box."
I traded numerous messages with him. He first claimed he felt these were 3rd series because pack(s) pulled open and he saw titles and determined they were 3rd series.  I asked him what titles he saw so I could confirm, he then responds that he took pictures of the back and front so people can tell the series(which of course we cant).  He also adds the crazy stupid disclaimer that these might be some other series but tough luck to the buyer.  Once the bidding this crazy thousands of $, I again said it behooves him to be sure what he is selling and I again offered to help.  No response.   We know for sure the packs were slopped together into at least the one box.  Will be interesting to see what these turn out to be.
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Re: Wacky Package Reference
« Reply #80 on: June 22, 2016, 09:36:22 PM »
$10,657

Crazy.

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Re: Wacky Package Reference
« Reply #81 on: June 23, 2016, 12:34:06 PM »
That breaks down to about $222 a pack!

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Re: Wacky Package Reference
« Reply #82 on: June 23, 2016, 01:26:23 PM »
That breaks down to about $222 a pack!
If they turn out to be series 1 packs, will be a bargain for the buyer, this seller doesn't seem to have any clue on what he was selling nor did he care based on the feedback from one of the posts above.  The display box is worth a couple hundred so that knocks off like $5 per pack.  Imagine if these are Ludlow packs.  Didn't someone turn up unopened series 2 Ludlow packs years ago?

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Re: Wacky Package Reference
« Reply #83 on: June 23, 2016, 01:59:51 PM »
If they turn out to be series 1 packs, will be a bargain for the buyer, this seller doesn't seem to have any clue on what he was selling nor did he care based on the feedback from one of the posts above.  The display box is worth a couple hundred so that knocks off like $5 per pack.  Imagine if these are Ludlow packs.  Didn't someone turn up unopened series 2 Ludlow packs years ago?

Too many "ifs" for me to take a $10K gamble!! 

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Re: Wacky Package Reference
« Reply #84 on: June 23, 2016, 02:28:04 PM »
Too many "ifs" for me to take a $10K gamble!!
How many full series 3 boxes are in existence?  How many Ratz/Cracked combos are out there?  From a scarcity point of view, price is about right.  Let's watch and see these packs resold on ebay as single packs and see how well the seller does.

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Re: Wacky Package Reference
« Reply #85 on: June 23, 2016, 02:29:56 PM »
If they turn out to be series 1 packs, will be a bargain for the buyer, this seller doesn't seem to have any clue on what he was selling nor did he care based on the feedback from one of the posts above.  The display box is worth a couple hundred so that knocks off like $5 per pack.  Imagine if these are Ludlow packs.  Didn't someone turn up unopened series 2 Ludlow packs years ago?

There's no reason to think they are 1st series, 2nd series is a lot more likely. The display box is not in great shape, but does have some value. I wouldn't think it that crazy for someone to pay $250 for a 2nd or 3rd red pack, as they have become tough to find. But averaging that for a whole full box is nuts. The highest I've ever seen a box like this sell for is $3800.

Ludlow packs is a bit of a stretch, though they do exist.


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Re: Wacky Package Reference
« Reply #86 on: June 23, 2016, 02:33:59 PM »
How many full series 3 boxes are in existence?  How many Ratz/Cracked combos are out there?  From a scarcity point of view, price is about right.  Let's watch and see these packs resold on ebay as single packs and see how well the seller does.

If these packs were put on eBay in any quantity, there's no way a price of $225 a pack would hold up. Sure, there are not that many early series full boxes out there, so the value is determined by how much people want it. The problem is, that varies widely over time.

And that's assuming the packs are good, which I admit seems likely given the circumstances.
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Re: Wacky Package Reference
« Reply #87 on: June 23, 2016, 03:12:26 PM »
There's no reason to think they are 1st series, 2nd series is a lot more likely. The display box is not in great shape, but does have some value. I wouldn't think it that crazy for someone to pay $250 for a 2nd or 3rd red pack, as they have become tough to find. But averaging that for a whole full box is nuts. The highest I've ever seen a box like this sell for is $3800.

Ludlow packs is a bit of a stretch, though they do exist.

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There is no reason to think they are first series??  Of course there is, they look exactly the same as 2nd and 3rd series as there is nothing in the photos so suggest one series over another.  Now if you meant to say it is not likely due to the box being 2nd series and the seller saying they are 3rd series, I will give you "credit" for that.

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Re: Wacky Package Reference
« Reply #88 on: June 23, 2016, 03:18:23 PM »
If these packs were put on eBay in any quantity, there's no way a price of $225 a pack would hold up. Sure, there are not that many early series full boxes out there, so the value is determined by how much people want it. The problem is, that varies widely over time.

And that's assuming the packs are good, which I admit seems likely given the circumstances.
4 bidders thought otherwise so this indicates a bulk of these could easily be sold to 3 other bidders who lost out with very high bids.  Eric ended up getting them all so he will kill packs, get his PSA 9-10 set and then sell the rest.  Let's see how I do.

Re: Wacky Package Reference
« Reply #89 on: June 23, 2016, 03:40:06 PM »
4 bidders thought otherwise so this indicates a bulk of these could easily be sold to 3 other bidders who lost out with very high bids.  Eric ended up getting them all so he will kill packs, get his PSA 9-10 set and then sell the rest.  Let's see how I do.
how many of those 3 other bidders actually care to buy single packs? they were bidding big to get a full box showcase item.

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Re: Wacky Package Reference
« Reply #90 on: June 23, 2016, 04:13:59 PM »
There is no reason to think they are first series??  Of course there is, they look exactly the same as 2nd and 3rd series as there is nothing in the photos so suggest one series over another.  Now if you meant to say it is not likely due to the box being 2nd series and the seller saying they are 3rd series, I will give you "credit" for that.

You answered your own question. Nothing about the packaging suggests they are first series, while something does suggest they are 2nd series. I meant to say exactly what I said.

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Re: Wacky Package Reference
« Reply #91 on: June 23, 2016, 04:20:53 PM »
4 bidders thought otherwise so this indicates a bulk of these could easily be sold to 3 other bidders who lost out with very high bids.  Eric ended up getting them all so he will kill packs, get his PSA 9-10 set and then sell the rest.  Let's see how I do.

Yes, Eric won the loose packs, not the full box. Getting PSA 9-10 stickers by killing 2 sticker packs is easier said than done, I wish him luck if that is his plan. One thing is for sure. If resold one or several packs at a time in any quantity, the price will not stand up. The same thing happened with 11th yellow packs when a full box worth hit the market. The price dropped significantly, and the same thing would happen here.
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Re: Wacky Package Reference
« Reply #92 on: June 23, 2016, 08:44:02 PM »
how many of those 3 other bidders actually care to buy single packs? they were bidding big to get a full box showcase item.
Only one of the boxes was full so it isn't logical to say the bidders for the 25 pack box were bidding to get a full box to show case, that box looked like hell.
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Re: Wacky Package Reference
« Reply #93 on: June 23, 2016, 08:51:29 PM »
Yes, Eric won the loose packs, not the full box. Getting PSA 9-10 stickers by killing 2 sticker packs is easier said than done, I wish him luck if that is his plan. One thing is for sure. If resold one or several packs at a time in any quantity, the price will not stand up. The same thing happened with 11th yellow packs when a full box worth hit the market. The price dropped significantly, and the same thing would happen here.
Few people care about 11th yellow packs so that was a given.  I am willing to bet red series 1,2,3 original packs are far more desirable to the average collector.  Weird that Eric didn't even bid on the full box.  I think that strongly indicates he plans to kill the packs.
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Re: Wacky Package Reference
« Reply #94 on: June 23, 2016, 09:05:24 PM »
Only one of the boxes was full so it isn't logical to say the bidders for the 25 pack box were bidding to get a full box to show case, that box looked like hell.
wasn't referring to the partial. we were talking about the full box.

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Re: Wacky Package Reference
« Reply #95 on: June 23, 2016, 09:06:13 PM »
Few people care about 11th yellow packs so that was a given.  I am willing to bet red series 1,2,3 original packs are far more desirable to the average collector.  Weird that Eric didn't even bid on the full box.  I think that strongly indicates he plans to kill the packs.

Obviously killing those packs is a financial boondoggle, but Eric probably doesn't care about that, so more power to him. If he gets a few nice stickers I'm sure he'll be happy.

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Re: Wacky Package Reference
« Reply #96 on: June 23, 2016, 10:14:31 PM »
wasn't referring to the partial. we were talking about the full box.
Ok, I don't see 4 bidders that made the price of this box so I assumed the discussion of 4 bidders was across both auctions(Tom?).  The bidding on the other box was similar price per pack given the box in the other auction was trashed.
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Re: Wacky Package Reference
« Reply #97 on: June 23, 2016, 10:17:58 PM »
Obviously killing those packs is a financial boondoggle, but Eric probably doesn't care about that, so more power to him. If he gets a few nice stickers I'm sure he'll be happy.
I would agree but I am not up to speed on what people would pay for PSA9 or PSA 10 series 3 titles.   I killed a series 2 pack years ago(one I got from Brian) and got 6 stickers in the pack.  I just couldn't resist the urge to relive opening such an early series pack.  Wouldn't that be a hoot here if these packs were over stuffed? 
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Re: Wacky Package Reference
« Reply #98 on: June 24, 2016, 04:16:33 AM »
Unless the packs were stored immaculately over the last 40 years, one sticker is likely to have a gum stain in every pack. Value wise, the contents will not approach the price paid, but again, that only matters if you care.

Re: Wacky Package Reference
« Reply #99 on: June 24, 2016, 07:28:56 AM »
Did anybody ask the seller to describe the backs of the opened third series stickers?  Given production timeline, the 3rd series white backs would have been in red packs.  These might have been a steal, if they're minty 3rd whites.

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Re: Wacky Package Reference
« Reply #100 on: June 24, 2016, 01:37:21 PM »
Wait does anyone know who bought the third box? I want to see how it turned out. I have a feeling without Spic and Span or whites there won't be any resale value.
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Re: Wacky Package Reference
« Reply #101 on: June 24, 2016, 01:54:52 PM »
Did anybody ask the seller to describe the backs of the opened third series stickers?  Given production timeline, the 3rd series white backs would have been in red packs.  These might have been a steal, if they're minty 3rd whites.
I tried to get the info from him but no luck. I even offered to drive there as he is like 40 minutes from my house to help him assess what he has, nada, he really couldn't care less as shown by the additional text added to his ebay auction descriptions.
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Re: Wacky Package Reference
« Reply #102 on: June 25, 2016, 01:56:04 PM »
I hope some of the packs get opened and the wrappers sold - I could use a red wrapper.

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Re: Wacky Package Reference
« Reply #103 on: June 25, 2016, 06:05:50 PM »
I hope some of the packs get opened and the wrappers sold - I could use a red wrapper.

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Re: Wacky Package Reference
« Reply #104 on: June 27, 2016, 11:29:45 AM »
wasn't referring to the partial. we were talking about the full box.
No, the 4 bidders I was referring to crossed both box auctions.  There aren't 4 bidders who drove up the price of the full box.

 

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