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Offline RawGoo

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Re: Massive Collection hitting ebay in the months to come
« Reply #35 on: July 30, 2017, 08:56:18 AM »
You count up all of those 6th series glossies you have so many of, I bet you have fewer of those than 1st series glossies. And I didn't mean there are more 1st glossies than 4th glossies in absolute numbers, but as a percentage of each series' total numbers. That may or may not be true, I'm just going anecdotally. I remember looking through a box Dan had at a Philly show that was full of nothing but 1st glossies. I stand by my statement that 1st glossies are not that rare, sure it's an imprecise statement, it translates into: I see them all the time.

How about the three tough titles in OS1?  Are they more scarce than the others as glossies?  Or, is it likely that the glossy back stock was used exclusively at the beginning of the run?

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Re: Massive Collection hitting ebay in the months to come
« Reply #36 on: July 30, 2017, 08:59:13 AM »
You count up all of those 6th series glossies you have so many of, I bet you have fewer of those than 1st series glossies. And I didn't mean there are more 1st glossies than 4th glossies in absolute numbers, but as a percentage of each series' total numbers. That may or may not be true, I'm just going anecdotally. I remember looking through a box Dan had at a Philly show that was full of nothing but 1st glossies. I stand by my statement that 1st glossies are not that rare, sure it's an imprecise statement, it translates into: I see them all the time.
I stand by the statement that you didn't answer the question that started this dialogue  by saying they are not rare.  Dan had no more series 1 glossies than i have.  He had three complete and some extras thanks to a find by Pupsi of a yard sale from an ex topps employee.  They are less common than the regular backs, you seem yet to acknowledge that fact.
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Re: Massive Collection hitting ebay in the months to come
« Reply #37 on: July 30, 2017, 09:13:22 AM »
How about the three tough titles in OS1?  Are they more scarce than the others as glossies?  Or, is it likely that the glossy back stock was used exclusively at the beginning of the run?
Great question.  I don't make assertions based on small sample sizes so I hesitate to say this is a rule.  Obviously I have far fewer of the big 4 series 1 titles but I find a higher % of those are found as glossy except for Mutts.  I would write off my Mutts experience to bad luck as there is no logical reason for Mutts to be shorter here.  This does suggest that glossy backs were used in early runs.  Also, I have found like with almost ALL variations, there is geographical indicators in play.  For example, I bought a huge hoard of series 7 stickers from Michigan that contained 30 Grime Heavy's and 3 Dustys.  Since then, I have noticed the trend of Grime Heavy's being sourced in the middle of the country.  Same with series 3 white backs, Kansas, Missouri and surrounding areas seemed to be a heavy source.  Glossy series 1's seem to be NY, NJ, Pa heavy source which perhaps aligns with their only being used in early runs.  Dan's big find of Glossy's were in Pa.....Ludlow backs seem to be east coast, especially Massachusetts but also some bid finds in south east states.  Of course I don't have what I would consider large enough sample sizes for all of the above to be stastically proven out but I am calling out trends.

Imagine if someone came across my series 7 hoard and saw 30 Grime Heavy's....suddenly they are relatively common!!  >:D
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Re: Massive Collection hitting ebay in the months to come
« Reply #38 on: July 30, 2017, 09:56:00 AM »
What percent of your keepers at is glossy back and how many of those were the ones that were given to you for free from your family friend?

I still don't own Mutts or Bandache but out of the 28 I have, 9 are glossy. (More of the glossys are borderless though..  :sad: )
That equates to 32%, they were all given to me by the same person. He almost completed my whole first series except for of course Mutts and Bandache. He also had normal backs as well. I must've had more at one point but I sold off most of my extra 1st cards in an auction a while ago.

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Re: Massive Collection hitting ebay in the months to come
« Reply #39 on: July 30, 2017, 10:05:15 AM »
I stand by the statement that you didn't answer the question that started this dialogue  by saying they are not rare.  Dan had no more series 1 glossies than i have.  He had three complete and some extras thanks to a find by Pupsi of a yard sale from an ex topps employee.  They are less common than the regular backs, you seem yet to acknowledge that fact.

Of course, they're significantly less common than the regular backs. That doesn't mean they are rare from my interpretation of that word. Your mileage may vary.

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Re: Massive Collection hitting ebay in the months to come
« Reply #40 on: July 30, 2017, 10:20:52 AM »
How about the three tough titles in OS1?  Are they more scarce than the others as glossies?  Or, is it likely that the glossy back stock was used exclusively at the beginning of the run?

I'm confused...what does the beginning of the run have to do with the four short prints being more or less common?

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Re: Massive Collection hitting ebay in the months to come
« Reply #41 on: July 30, 2017, 10:28:42 AM »
I'm confused...what does the beginning of the run have to do with the four short prints being more or less common?

I was just pondering whether the average percentages of the short prints was the same for glossies as it is for the regular white backs, which could indicate titles were pulled.

I apologize for my lack of extensive historical knowledge.  I missed all the old discovery threads and discussions on the old forums.

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Re: Massive Collection hitting ebay in the months to come
« Reply #42 on: July 30, 2017, 10:48:02 AM »
I was just pondering whether the average percentages of the short prints was the same for glossies as it is for the regular white backs, which could indicate titles were pulled.

I apologize for my lack of extensive historical knowledge.  I missed all the old discovery threads and discussions on the old forums.
I understood your question perfectly, did my answer cover what you were looking for?
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Re: Massive Collection hitting ebay in the months to come
« Reply #43 on: July 30, 2017, 10:50:04 AM »
I still don't own Mutts or Bandache but out of the 28 I have, 9 are glossy. (More of the glossys are borderless though..  :sad: )
That equates to 32%, they were all given to me by the same person. He almost completed my whole first series except for of course Mutts and Bandache. He also had normal backs as well. I must've had more at one point but I sold off most of my extra 1st cards in an auction a while ago.
Your ratio is not far off from what I called out and your set was comprised of starting with a glossy find rather than from a random distribution of collections so I expected your ratio to be a little higher percent glossy.
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Re: Massive Collection hitting ebay in the months to come
« Reply #44 on: July 30, 2017, 10:52:34 AM »
Of course, they're significantly less common than the regular backs. That doesn't mean they are rare from my interpretation of that word. Your mileage may vary.
Agreed nobody in this thread said they are rare so I'm not really sure what issue you are addressing.  When someone asked how rare something is that doesn't mean they are stating it is rare.  I took the question to mean he was looking for a measure of scarcity.
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« Reply #45 on: July 30, 2017, 11:56:05 AM »
I didn't understand because there's virtually no way Lavirus, Mutts or Paul Maul were pulled, Band-Ache is always a possibility.

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Re: Massive Collection hitting ebay in the months to come
« Reply #46 on: July 30, 2017, 11:57:28 AM »
Agreed nobody in this thread said they are rare so I'm not really sure what issue you are addressing.  When someone asked how rare something is that doesn't mean they are stating it is rare.  I took the question to mean he was looking for a measure of scarcity.

Well I didn't have a precise quantification of their rarity to offer, so I did the only thing I was able to, which was to convey that I didn't feel they were all that rare.

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Re: Massive Collection hitting ebay in the months to come
« Reply #47 on: July 30, 2017, 02:39:56 PM »
Well I didn't have a precise quantification of their rarity to offer, so I did the only thing I was able to, which was to convey that I didn't feel they were all that rare.
Lol, ... and you stated you thought they were relatively common within some weird arbitrary population of high-grade wacky's.   :P
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Re: Massive Collection hitting ebay in the months to come
« Reply #48 on: July 30, 2017, 02:42:58 PM »
I didn't understand because there's virtually no way Lavirus, Mutts or Paul Maul were pulled, Band-Ache is always a possibility.
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Re: Massive Collection hitting ebay in the months to come
« Reply #49 on: July 30, 2017, 02:48:42 PM »
Lol, ... and you stated you thought they were relatively common within some weird arbitrary population of high-grade wacky's.   :P

Yes, I have examined my share of PSA 8,9 and 10 1st series stickers, and my impression was that the glossy backs were a little more common in that realm than they are overall. No actual statistics there, sorry!

 

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