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Re: A WP Unopened Pack Reference Library
« Reply #140 on: July 31, 2012, 07:14:45 AM »
Pack #55: 1974 11th Series green 21-fold pack (jade necklace ad)

 



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Re: A WP Unopened Pack Reference Library
« Reply #141 on: July 31, 2012, 07:17:38 AM »
Pack #56: 1974 11th Series green 21-fold pack (Wall Poster 1974 ad)

 
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Re: A WP Unopened Pack Reference Library
« Reply #142 on: July 31, 2012, 09:54:43 AM »
Pack #57: 1974 11th Series green 21-fold pack (Wall Poster 1975 ad)

 

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Re: A WP Unopened Pack Reference Library
« Reply #143 on: August 01, 2012, 09:51:48 AM »
Pack #58: 1974 11th Series green 85-fold pack (initial bracelet ad)

 

I mentioned that the group of 85-fold green 11th series packs from the "tea man" were still locked up in a collection. A couple of years ago, I contacted him just to make sure he didn't have any more left. He didn't respond for two months, so I assumed it was a dead end. Then, amazingly, he contacted me out of the blue and said his wife had found a few more while cleaning out a closet. All three of these are from that same "tea man" find. They're in untouched shape, but unfortunately have a few production related issues.

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Re: A WP Unopened Pack Reference Library
« Reply #144 on: August 01, 2012, 12:56:05 PM »
Pack #59: 1974 11th Series green 85-fold pack (jade necklace ad)

 

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Re: A WP Unopened Pack Reference Library
« Reply #145 on: August 02, 2012, 10:30:17 AM »
Pack #60: 1974 11th Series green 85-fold pack (Wall Poster 1974 ad)

 

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Re: A WP Unopened Pack Reference Library
« Reply #146 on: August 02, 2012, 10:42:23 AM »
The 12th Series was the last one to use the green 0-407- coded wrapper. Based on evidence from a sheet auctioned by the Topps Vault, it seems that the 12th Series was released well into January, 1975. We know that the 1975 dated Wall Poster ad appears on a roll by itself, without other ad variations. It also seems reasonable that the 1974 dated wall poster ad would not be used into 1975, meaning that none of the other ad variations could be used either (being on the same roll). As a result, it's believed (and supported by the packs that have turned up) that there are only two 12th series packs, the 21- and 85-fold versions with the 1975 Wall Poster ad. Both are very common.

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Re: A WP Unopened Pack Reference Library
« Reply #147 on: August 02, 2012, 10:44:09 AM »
Pack #61: 1975 12th Series 21-fold pack (Wall Poster 1975 ad)

 

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Re: A WP Unopened Pack Reference Library
« Reply #148 on: August 02, 2012, 11:39:40 AM »
Pack #62: 1975 12th Series 85-fold pack (Wall Poster 1975 ad)

 

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Re: A WP Unopened Pack Reference Library
« Reply #149 on: August 02, 2012, 12:22:54 PM »
Pack #55: 1974 11th Series green 21-fold pack (jade necklace ad)

Do you know if any of these trinkets were exclusively offered for Wacky Packages? Maybe they were offered on Bazooka wrappers or other Topps products. Or comic books.

I’d kind of like to see one of these jade Buddha’s. Or the elephant, horse, or dog. I assume they were carved by adolescents in Chinese sweat shops. I wonder if they ever hit eBay


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Re: A WP Unopened Pack Reference Library
« Reply #150 on: August 02, 2012, 01:11:25 PM »
My guess is the wall poster is the only give-away that was specific to the wacky pack wrappers. The trinkets (based on requiring bazooka comics to be sent) seem to be ads originally from bazooka wrappers.

I've never seen one of the trinkets either, but it's likely they were cheapo junk that might not even be identifiable as these giveaway items even if they did turn up.

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Re: A WP Unopened Pack Reference Library
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Re: A WP Unopened Pack Reference Library
« Reply #152 on: August 02, 2012, 05:44:00 PM »
it's likely they were cheapo junk
I think you overestimate their value.   :P

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Re: A WP Unopened Pack Reference Library
« Reply #153 on: August 03, 2012, 07:59:03 PM »
Intermission: My Series 1-16 Unopened Pack Availability Guide

Disclaimer: these are just my personal impressions based on looking for packs for the last decade

VERY HARD TO FIND:

1st Series, 5th Series yellow (85-fold only), 11th Series green


FAIRLY HARD TO FIND:

2nd Series, 3rd Series red, 5th Series yellow (21-fold), 8th Series blue, 10th Series (21-fold only),
          11th Series yellow, 16th Series


AVAILABLE BUT NOT COMMON:

3rd Series yellow, 4th Series, 5th Series blue, 9th Series (21-fold only), 13th Series


FAIRLY COMMON:

6th Series (except 21-fold no ad), 15th Series


VERY COMMON:

6th Series (21-fold no ad), all 7th Series, 8th Series orange, 9th series (85-fold), 10th Series (85-fold), 12th Series, 14th Series
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Re: A WP Unopened Pack Reference Library
« Reply #154 on: August 04, 2012, 08:09:16 PM »
Pack #63: 1975 13th Series 21-fold pack

 


13th series packs are (for unknown reasons) less common than surrounding series 12,14 and 15.

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Re: A WP Unopened Pack Reference Library
« Reply #155 on: August 04, 2012, 08:17:49 PM »
Awesome, simply incredible collection & great education on the wrappers. Nice Job, so with saying that how about a picture of each wrapper together. It would look cool. Thanks Paul

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Re: A WP Unopened Pack Reference Library
« Reply #156 on: August 04, 2012, 08:27:57 PM »
Awesome, simply incredible collection & great education on the wrappers. Nice Job, so with saying that how about a picture of each wrapper together. It would look cool. Thanks Paul


Thanks for the positive feedback! Greg Grant's page has pictures of all of the wrappers, including a shot of a 1-16 run of packs together. I don't really have any pics of that nature.

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Re: A WP Unopened Pack Reference Library
« Reply #157 on: August 05, 2012, 05:42:22 PM »
Pack #64: 1975 13th Series 85-fold pack

 

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Re: A WP Unopened Pack Reference Library
« Reply #158 on: August 06, 2012, 09:45:11 AM »
Pack #65: 1975 14th Series 21-fold pack

 



One of the most common packs out there!
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Re: A WP Unopened Pack Reference Library
« Reply #159 on: August 06, 2012, 09:56:23 AM »
Pack #66: 1975 14th Series 85-fold pack

 


Strange thing #1: From series 13 to series 14, the expiration date for the wall poster ad went from December, 1975 to September 1975.

Strange thing #2: There is no 9/31/75, so technically this wall poster offer is still active!
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Re: A WP Unopened Pack Reference Library
« Reply #160 on: August 06, 2012, 10:29:00 AM »
Pack #67: 1975 15th Series 21-fold pack

 

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Re: A WP Unopened Pack Reference Library
« Reply #161 on: August 06, 2012, 10:49:30 AM »
Pack #68: 1975 15th Series 85-fold pack

 

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Re: A WP Unopened Pack Reference Library
« Reply #162 on: August 07, 2012, 10:00:56 AM »
Pack #69: 1977 16th Series pack ("bazooka has it all" ad)

 


I had another amazing piece of luck at the Allentown Show a couple of years ago. When the doors opened, I went right to the table of the guys who always have all the 9th and 10th series unopened packs. The only wacky unopened packs other than those I'd ever seen them with were some blue poster packs and the common yellow fun packs. Imagine my elation as I looked down and saw 3 16th Series packs, one of each ad variation. Asking price: $20 apiece. Oh, and one had Scoot no copyright showing :o
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Re: A WP Unopened Pack Reference Library
« Reply #163 on: August 07, 2012, 10:04:41 AM »
Pack #70: 1977 16th Series pack ("be prepared for gum" ad)

 

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Re: A WP Unopened Pack Reference Library
« Reply #164 on: August 07, 2012, 10:13:36 AM »
Pack #71: 1977 16th Series pack ("lotsa friends" ad)

 
 

Note the "wardrobe malfunction" on this one. Great way to be sure a pack is legit, no one ever fakes 'em this way!

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Re: A WP Unopened Pack Reference Library
« Reply #165 on: August 07, 2012, 01:02:21 PM »
Pack #71: 1977 16th Series pack ("lotsa friends" ad)

Note the "wardrobe malfunction" on this one. Great way to be sure a pack is legit, no one ever fakes 'em this way!

I assume you are referring to the botched fold?

Just wondering, does PSA discriminate between packs were the pack image is centered versus not centered?

How about other machine / production issues, like the bunged up fold on this one?

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Re: A WP Unopened Pack Reference Library
« Reply #166 on: August 07, 2012, 01:15:16 PM »
I assume you are referring to the botched fold?

Just wondering, does PSA discriminate between packs were the pack image is centered versus not centered?

How about other machine / production issues, like the bunged up fold on this one?


I was specifically referring to the fact that the botched fold leaves a portion of the "Horsey" sticker exposed to leering wacky pack voyeurs.

PSA/GAI do downgrade for botched folds, sometimes more than I think they should. They may also take image centering into
account, not completely sure on that count.

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Re: A WP Unopened Pack Reference Library
« Reply #167 on: August 07, 2012, 01:21:15 PM »
Here are PSA's pack grading standards:

http://www.psacard.com/articles/article_view.chtml?artid=4770&universeid=314



"In addition, while the centering of a pack wrapper is important, the pack grading approach does not view wrap centering in terms of percentages. The key factor, regardless of the technical measurement of the centering, is whether or not the centering (or lack thereof) of the wrap affects the overall eye-appeal."

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Re: A WP Unopened Pack Reference Library
« Reply #168 on: August 07, 2012, 01:46:08 PM »
Pack #72: 1977 Shedd's Peanut Butter Cello Pack






For a long time this was the absolute rarest unopened pack, with only one (Ajerx) known to exist. Then around 7 years ago Greg Grant was offered a large lot (25-30?) of Shedd's stickers in unopened pack form. He described the find as follows:

"I got them a couple years ago from some guy who had them who contacted me because of my website.  They then went from me to Matt (Stock), from Matt to Kirk (Daniel), from Kirk back to Matt and from Matt back to me...

What's amazing about the collection is that...this guy ate some 200 lbs of peanut butter obtaining those wackys.  And he did not have any association with the factory or anything like that, he told me he really got all of them retail with peanut butter."

I have my doubts about the veracity of this story, since the pack shown above (which came from this find) does not appear even slightly peanut buttery (as the original "Ajerx" pack shown in the Gallery certainly did)...but either way, it's definitely among the coolest finds in wacky pack history!
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Re: A WP Unopened Pack Reference Library
« Reply #169 on: August 07, 2012, 07:32:22 PM »
Pack #72: 1977 Shedd's Peanut Butter Cello Pack

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For a long time this was the absolute rarest unopened pack, with only one (Ajerx) known to exist. Then around 7 years ago Greg Grant was offered a large lot (25-30?) of Shedd's stickers in unopened pack form. He described the find as follows:

"I got them a couple years ago from some guy who had them who contacted me because of my website.  They then went from me to Matt (Stock), from Matt to Kirk (Daniel), from Kirk back to Matt and from Matt back to me...

What's amazing about the collection is that...this guy ate some 200 lbs of peanut butter obtaining those wackys.  And he did not have any association with the factory or anything like that, he told me he really got all of them retail with peanut butter."

I have my doubts about the veracity of this story, since the pack shown above (which came from this find) does not appear even slightly peanut buttery (as the original "Ajerx" pack shown in the Gallery certainly did)...but either way, it's definitely among the coolest finds in wacky pack history!
I've had an unopened pack from long before gregs "find" so I suspect there were a few of these packs around before greg's find.  Mine has two stickers in it, I have heard there were some with only one.  Who had declared only one pack was known to exist?  Do you have both versions of the pack if in fact they both exist?  Mine is in rough shape hence I am able to see it has two stickers in it.
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Re: A WP Unopened Pack Reference Library
« Reply #170 on: August 08, 2012, 07:03:35 AM »
I've had an unopened pack from long before gregs "find" so I suspect there were a few of these packs around before greg's find.  Mine has two stickers in it, I have heard there were some with only one.  Who had declared only one pack was known to exist?  Do you have both versions of the pack if in fact they both exist?  Mine is in rough shape hence I am able to see it has two stickers in it.

Sorry, I was just going by memory, I thought at the time of the Gallery the Ajerx pack was the only one known. Now that you mention it, I recall your pack as being related to the "Gloom Yield" story, if ya know what I mean. Yes, I do recall there being packs with either one or two stickers. Most seem to have one, as this one does.

I don't have both versions of the pack, I'm content with just one.

By the way, since your pack was separate from Greg's group, was yours clean? I'm starting to wonder whether the cello
packs might have been packaged so that they were not in contact with the peanut butter, and the Ajerx pack just "fell in" or something.
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Re: A WP Unopened Pack Reference Library
« Reply #171 on: August 08, 2012, 07:12:58 AM »
Pack #73: 1979 Test Pack

 

I've never really had a feel for how rare this pack is. On the one hand, they seem to turn up now and then on ebay. On the other hand, with several collectors going for the singles to complete sets, several seem to get opened as well. So it's anyone's guess how many are still unopened.

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Re: A WP Unopened Pack Reference Library
« Reply #172 on: August 08, 2012, 10:37:47 AM »
Pack #73: 1979 Test Pack

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I've never really had a feel for how rare this pack is. On the one hand, they seem to turn up now and then on ebay. On the other hand, with several collectors going for the singles to complete sets, several seem to get opened as well. So it's anyone's guess how many are still unopened.

I believe one just sold on ebay in the last couple of months.  $200 maybe?
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Re: A WP Unopened Pack Reference Library
« Reply #173 on: August 08, 2012, 10:39:06 AM »
Sorry, I was just going by memory, I thought at the time of the Gallery the Ajerx pack was the only one known. Now that you mention it, I recall your pack as being related to the "Gloom Yield" story, if ya know what I mean. Yes, I do recall there being packs with either one or two stickers. Most seem to have one, as this one does.

I don't have both versions of the pack, I'm content with just one.

By the way, since your pack was separate from Greg's group, was yours clean? I'm starting to wonder whether the cello
packs might have been packaged so that they were not in contact with the peanut butter, and the Ajerx pack just "fell in" or something.
LOL, "Gloom yield", you nailed that one!  The cello on mine is so rough it would be hard for me to say if it was clean, I don't detect peanut butter per se but it definitely seems "beige" in coloring.
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Re: A WP Unopened Pack Reference Library
« Reply #174 on: August 08, 2012, 04:11:55 PM »
By the way, since your pack was separate from Greg's group, was yours clean? I'm starting to wonder whether the cello
packs might have been packaged so that they were not in contact with the peanut butter, and the Ajerx pack just "fell in" or something.
my recollection is that the cello pack rested on top of the peanut butter, with only light contact, perhaps just a corner or edge of the cello slightly in the PB.