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Wacky Packages Discussion => General Wacky Packages Discussion => Topic started by: Dr Popper on November 29, 2010, 02:13:41 PM
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Hi all, I wanted to know how others felt about this situation I recently experienced. I recently purchased a Spit & Spill variation card off of eBay for about 30 bucks. When I got the package home, it was in a bubble mailer and taped on both ends with heavy packaging tape. I couldn't get an edge of tape to peel off with my fingers, so I cut the very edge of the package with scissors, and as it turned out the card was loose in the package and the corner of the card got clipped off. He had heavy cardboard inside the envelope, and a plastic toploader inside the cardboard. The critical part that was missed was the fact that the end of the toploader wasn't taped or secured in any way, plus the toploader he used is one of the slightly wider ones that can fit 3-5 cards, so only one card is very loose inside and will slide right out. So the card came completely out of the toploader and was sticking out of the cardboard pieces by about an inch or so, and just happened to be right on the edge where I made the cut.
I am in the process of exchanging emails with the seller and will probably send him these pics, but at this point he hasn't offered me anything. On one hand I think that I shouldn't have cut the edge and I can see that he tried to package the card well, but I think the fact that he left out a critical piece of the packaging by not taping the top of the toploader puts at least partial blame on the seller.
What do others feel about this?
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Hi all, I wanted to know how others felt about this situation I recently experienced... On one hand I think that I shouldn't have cut the edge and I can see that he tried to package the card well, but I think the fact that he left out a critical piece of the packaging by not taping the top of the toploader puts at least partial blame on the seller.
What do others feel about this?
This is unfortunate and is a toughy to take sides on. I get packages from eBayers (especially from foreign lands) that do a really crappy job of packaging, especially when it comes to the aspect of having to open the package without destroying the contents. It's very frustrating, indeed. I agree that his use of a toploader which did not hold the card securely was a poor choice (which, BTW, I never tape them closed, either), but cutting the end off without feeling for any product in the way was your error. Did you tap the other end of the package on the table or shake it to help settle the contents to the other end before cutting? Sometimes it takes me several minutes to open one of the above mentioned packages, but I feel it ultimately my responsibility to get the package open successfully and with no damage done. If it takes a few extra minutes to achieve this, it is worth it.
Hopefully, the seller will be willing to accept some of the responsibility for what happened and maybe you can get a least a partial refund.
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that's a bummer that the card wasn't held in place completely.
However, my view is that since it wasn't damaged by the seller or during transit, but by your own actions, you really shouldn't expect anything here.
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While I don't think he's obligated to offer you anything, I do think as a matter of courtesy he should offer something - maybe like $10 since he did a very poor job packaging it.
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This is unfortunate and is a toughy to take sides on. I get packages from eBayers (especially from foreign lands) that do a really crappy job of packaging, especially when it comes to the aspect of having to open the package without destroying the contents. It's very frustrating, indeed. I agree that his use of a toploader which did not hold the card securely was a poor choice (which, BTW, I never tape them closed, either), but cutting the end off without feeling for any product in the way was your error. Did you tap the other end of the package on the table or shake it to help settle the contents to the other end before cutting? Sometimes it takes me several minutes to open one of the above mentioned packages, but I feel it ultimately my responsibility to get the package open successfully and with no damage done. If it takes a few extra minutes to achieve this, it is worth it.
Hopefully, the seller will be willing to accept some of the responsibility for what happened and maybe you can get a least a partial refund.
Thanks for the replies guys.
I did feel the package and felt the firmness of the cardboard which was favoring one side, so I cut the opposite end that didn't have the cardboard thinking the card had to be inside of it. Live and learn I guess.
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I concur with everyone else on this one. Dang, sorry that happened!
Lately I've been using blue painter's tape (like masking tape but not as sticky) -- comes off easily but stays stuck. It's awesome.
I fold a piece of paper over the open end of the top loader and use the painter's tape to hold the paper in place. This way no sticky stuff every touches the card. I also do something I wish everyone else did: I fold the end of the tape over onto itself to give people something to grab to take the tape off. This way they don't have to pick at the tape with their fingernails (possibly damaging the contents). The painter's tape also lets people reuse the toploaders without any tape residue (like the EVIL non-Scotch tapes leave -- what I call Botch tape!).
What we need is a: "How to Package Wackys" (or Non-Sports Cards) page with instructions.
I too am always somewhat nervous about opening some packages I receive. Some are superbly packaged (by people who know), some are not. I tend to remind sellers to package it the right way (and explain it) in cases where I think they may not know. Never hurts.
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I think this is a tough one, more because of who will pay, rather than who is responsible. My view is that, but for the poor packaging, there wouldn't have been a problem. If Rob didn't cut the card, and it had got folded or bent during shipment because it slid out of the toploader (which may have been the case anyway), it would have been the seller's fault 100%. Even in that case, a seller not looking to stand behind his packaging would say it was rough handling by the post office. Rob cutting the card complicates the issue because now he can't return it, and the seller has a gray area to avoid responsibility because Rob has now damaged the card. It is unfortunate, but if the seller properly packaged the item, this never would have happened. I think it deserves 0 out of 5 stars for shipping & a negative if the seller doesn't absorb some or all of the cost. At least it wasn't a nm Ratz or Cracked Animals!
Does/could ebay buyer protection apply at all here?
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If I come across very strong tape I use a razor to slit the end across the top edge which has little chance of damaging a loose card. I concur with other statements made here and hope you could get a small concession from the seller. Possibly a discount on a future purchase. I hope it works it for you.
Regards, Andrew
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I receive packages that are completely taped up and sometimes it has taken me about 15 min trying to figure out how to open without damage. It's really unbelievable that people think they have to tape these up so tight. I use a post it note on the top loaders so you only have to put tape on one end of the post it so you can pop it open pretty easy. I do wrap one sheet of paper around the top holder so it won't get damaged from moving around in the padded envelope. If I send sets I will put them in a team bag put top loaders on the top and bottom and only use 4 pieces of tape for each side. I also then wrap it up in paper to help hold everything together. Never had an issue.
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Personally I would fault the seller for his incompetent packing job, and request a refund. If he doesn't give it to you, I'd file a complaint with ebay. Granted, it technically survived the shipping (although it easily could have gotten bent or dinged floating around in a bubble mailer). But as a buyer, you should reasonably expect to be able to cut the end of the package without damaging the product when that's the only way to open the package. Ebay almost always sides with buyers on complaints, so I bet you'd win the case if the seller won't compensate you in some way (I would hope he'd send you another sticker of equal value if he won't do a refund).
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I usually tape the top loader into the inside of the envelope to keep it from sliding around during shipping. I have received some in the mail where the top loader has almost jabbed it's way through the envelope.
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;) I use these...
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I concur with everyone else on this one. Dang, sorry that happened!
Lately I've been using blue painter's tape (like masking tape but not as sticky) -- comes off easily but stays stuck. It's awesome.
I fold a piece of paper over the open end of the top loader and use the painter's tape to hold the paper in place. This way no sticky stuff every touches the card. I also do something I wish everyone else did: I fold the end of the tape over onto itself to give people something to grab to take the tape off. This way they don't have to pick at the tape with their fingernails (possibly damaging the contents). The painter's tape also lets people reuse the toploaders without any tape residue (like the EVIL non-Scotch tapes leave -- what I call Botch tape!).
Using the tape like you do is smart. I'd say I have about 100 recycled toploaders from past transactions and about 90% of them either have tape stuck on them or residue where it was stuck. Brads idea works well too and is easy to apply and easy to remove.
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I receive packages that are completely taped up and sometimes it has taken me about 15 min trying to figure out how to open without damage. It's really unbelievable that people think they have to tape these up so tight. I use a post it note on the top loaders so you only have to put tape on one end of the post it so you can pop it open pretty easy. I do wrap one sheet of paper around the top holder so it won't get damaged from moving around in the padded envelope. If I send sets I will put them in a team bag put top loaders on the top and bottom and only use 4 pieces of tape for each side. I also then wrap it up in paper to help hold everything together. Never had an issue.
I always leave a folded tab of tape so they can peel it off. I like that you do the post-it thing. There are very experienced card sellers who have no regard for how the buyer is going to open their ridiculous packing. There are a few old timers right here on the forum who wrap their cards like they're mummifying the fuckin' things. In Rob's case I'd hold the seller at least partially responsible.
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I just stick the toploaders in a team bag and seal that. They're really very cheap and great for unopened packs as well.
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I usually tape the top loader into the inside of the envelope to keep it from sliding around during shipping. I have received some in the mail where the top loader has almost jabbed it's way through the envelope.
Wow, I've never seen that, or thought about it. I generally put small trades where I'm using a regular envelope in a toploader, inside a ziploc snack baggie. Maybe I should start taping the baggie to the envelope?
I like to use plastic bags when I send Wackys because I live in an area where the mailman has to walk the route, and things I receive can be quite damp in bad weather. I also always try to bring outgoing trades directly to the PO, so they don't sit outside, and then maybe get carried around in the rain.
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Wow, I've never seen that, or thought about it. I generally put small trades where I'm using a regular envelope in a toploader, inside a ziploc snack baggie. Maybe I should start taping the baggie to the envelope?
I like to use plastic bags when I send Wackys because I live in an area where the mailman has to walk the route, and things I receive can be quite damp in bad weather. I also always try to bring outgoing trades directly to the PO, so they don't sit outside, and then maybe get carried around in the rain.
When I'm doing a trade for a cheap card in a regular envelope I tape the toploaders down as well so it doesn't move around. The baggie is a good idea too and I've had wet packages before, never to the extent that it damaged the card but I could see it happening for sure.
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Aye, I like the idea of the baggie and taping it to the inside of the envelope (or taping to some hard card stock that you then slide in the envelope so it's easy to get out).
... wrap their cards like they're mummifying the f***in' things! ROFL!! :]
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Aye, I like the idea of the baggie and taping it to the inside of the envelope (or taping to some hard card stock that you then slide in the envelope so it's easy to get out).
... wrap their cards like they're mummifying the f***in' things! ROFL!! :]
Just don't get carried away with the tape!
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I would fault the seller because it was obviously not packaged "properly"
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I'd ask the seller to consider kicking back some of the cost - compromise might be the best path to take, since there is a little fault on both sides. If it's any consolation, the clip was very slight and came nowhere near the artwork or even the black. Although it can't be compared to a Ratz Crackers, I think most would agree that the "Magnificent 7" titles will always be collectable in any condition due to their relative rarity, so if you can get past the eyesore of the corner clip and the card looks otherwise nice, maybe it's still worth keeping. If you can't get past the visual issue, maybe post it up for sale on ebay and at least get something for it to partially offset your out-of-pocket.
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I'd ask the seller to consider kicking back some of the cost - compromise might be the best path to take, since there is a little fault on both sides. If it's any consolation, the clip was very slight and came nowhere near the artwork or even the black. Although it can't be compared to a Ratz Crackers, I think most would agree that the "Magnificent 7" titles will always be collectable in any condition due to their relative rarity, so if you can get past the eyesore of the corner clip and the card looks otherwise nice, maybe it's still worth keeping. If you can't get past the visual issue, maybe post it up for sale on ebay and at least get something for it to partially offset your out-of-pocket.
Although the clip is minor I think realistically it drops a $30.00 card to about 5 bucks unfortunately. At least it wasn't a $200.00 card or worse.
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You could ask the seller for some kind of compensation, but don't be shocked if he offers none. After all, it was your action with the scissors that cut the card. You should have been more careful with opening the package.
If it had happened to me, I would have been blaming my own actions and not that of the shipper.
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You could ask the seller for some kind of compensation, but don't be shocked if he offers none. After all, it was your action with the scissors that cut the card. You should have been more careful with opening the package.
If it had happened to me, I would have been blaming my own actions and not that of the shipper.
That's pretty much what I decided. It wasn't packaged properly but in the end if I had used an exacto to break a seam instead of scissors it probably would have been ok. I won't make the same mistake twice.
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Using the tape like you do is smart. I'd say I have about 100 recycled toploaders from past transactions and about 90% of them either have tape stuck on them or residue where it was stuck. Brads idea works well too and is easy to apply and easy to remove.
Sorry to hear about this unfortunate event. I use blue removable painters tape to tape the end of the toploader when shipping a card. Leaves no residue. I would contact the seller, tell him exactly what happened and see if he or she will take it as a learning experience for the future and at least refund you some of your payment since it wasn't packaged in a way that I would call "secure". The did do a good job other than the most important aspect, securing the card. Everything else was good, even taping the ends because some of those bubble mailers have just that sticky stuff and it could come undone, or be opened and then resealed losing the contents. Reinforced against the cardboard was good too, but once again, the most important part "the card" was really not secured. Hope they can work something out with you and learn from this.
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... I think most would agree that the "Magnificent 7" titles will always be collectable in any condition due to their relative rarity...
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I gotz t'know what are the "Magnificent 7"? Bum Chex, Choke Wagon, Spit & Spill - Spic & Span, Grime Heavy, and ? Are we talking Paul Maul, Mutt's, and Band-Ache? Just curious...
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I gotz t'know what are the "Magnificent 7"? Bum Chex, Choke Wagon, Spit & Spill - Spic & Span, Grime Heavy, and ? Are we talking Paul Maul, Mutt's, and Band-Ache? Just curious...
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I've always thought the Mag7 to be: bandache, Run Tony, Spit N Spill var, Bum, Choke, Grime Heavy, Pupsi....then Scoot No Copy came along and made it eight.
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I gotz t'know what are the "Magnificent 7"? Bum Chex, Choke Wagon, Spit & Spill - Spic & Span, Grime Heavy, and ? Are we talking Paul Maul, Mutt's, and Band-Ache? Just curious...
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I'd reserve the term "magnificent" for better titles. These are the "Notable 7".
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I'd reserve the term "magnificent" for better titles. These are the "Notable 7".
concur. Rarity does not equal hilarity.
if they weren't tougher to find, some of those would not be looked at twice.
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concur. Rarity does not equal hilarity.
if they weren't tougher to find, some of those would not be looked at twice.
funny post, "Rarity does not equal hilarity"
(http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/3807/myg2001.1ea/0_3d898_324288b9_XL.jpg)
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funny post, "Rarity does not equal hilarity"
(http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/3807/myg2001.1ea/0_3d898_324288b9_XL.jpg)
Great applause pic. Can't please everyone. Look at that guy with the white hair and tie. About 1/2 inch down from the top and a 1/4 inch in from the left side. What a dud. Geeeze. :^)
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I'd reserve the term "magnificent" for better titles. These are the "Notable 7".
The "magnificent" label is not meant to suggest they're the best, only the rarest (as pulled titles) and priciest in the Original 1-16 run. I coined this term before the prices of 16th singles went through the roof though; arguably today there are 16th titles worth more than some of the Mag 7 titles.
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The "magnificent" label is not meant to suggest they're the best, only the rarest (as pulled titles) and priciest in the Original 1-16 run. I coined this term before the prices of 16th singles went through the roof though; arguably today there are 16th titles worth more than some of the Mag 7 titles.
The 10 titles I have in screwdowns from S1-16 are............
BandAche
Paul Maul
Mutts
Lavirus
Spit & Spill
Bum Chex
Choke Wagon
Grime Heavy
Pupsi
Scoot N/C
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The "magnificent" label is not meant to suggest they're the best, only the rarest (as pulled titles) and priciest in the Original 1-16 run. I coined this term before the prices of 16th singles went through the roof though; arguably today there are 16th titles worth more than some of the Mag 7 titles.
You coined this term?
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Did you know The Clash sang about Wackys?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DsWBXciHcA
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The 10 titles I have in screwdowns from S1-16 are............
BandAche
Paul Maul
Mutts
Lavirus
Spit & Spill
Bum Chex
Choke Wagon
Grime Heavy
Pupsi
Scoot N/C
Not Run Tony or Bloodweiser?
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Not Run Tony or Bloodweiser?
I'm going to pull mine out and check again because Run Tony should probably qualify, but I know it's an even # and I definitely don't have Bloodweiser in there. I never thought of that one as a short-print. I always thought it was done in the same quantity as the others but for whatever reason it sells a little higher than the others in Series 15.
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You coined this term?
I believe so - during the short time I was attending shows in the late '90's and learning about the rarer titles through the various handbooks and many phone conversations with the Shoe, the elite group in 1-16 always seemed to boil down to the same seven. Being familiar with the movie title and the Clash song as well, the nickname was easy enough to conjure up. Now whether I was truly the first to think of it I have no idea; I can only say I thought of it before hearing anyone else say it. And Mark could probably not vouch for me either - in forum PM chats I've had with him the past few years, he had no recollections whatsoever of our earlier card show meetings and phone conversations during the '97-'98 timeframe.
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I'm going to pull mine out and check again because Run Tony should probably qualify, but I know it's an even # and I definitely don't have Bloodweiser in there. I never thought of that one as a short-print. I always thought it was done in the same quantity as the others but for whatever reason it sells a little higher than the others in Series 15.
I thought Run Tony was pulled due to a complaint/lawsuit (like Pupsi), but Bloodweiser simply has a higher demand?
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I definitely don't have Bloodweiser in there. I never thought of that one as a short-print. I always thought it was done in the same quantity as the others but for whatever reason it sells a little higher than the others in Series 15.
That's what I've read too, but it does sell consistently higher than all other 15th series titles. For whatever reason its price is comparable ($30 to $50 in my experience) to Pupsi, Run Tony or Spit & Spill.
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That's what I've read too, but it does sell consistently higher than all other 15th series titles. For whatever reason its price is comparable ($30 to $50 in my experience) to Pupsi, Run Tony or Spit & Spill.
I don't think it was a short print. I believe it's just shorter in the wild since most got peeled and stuck because of popularity.
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That's what I've read too, but it does sell consistently higher than all other 15th series titles. For whatever reason its price is comparable ($30 to $50 in my experience) to Pupsi, Run Tony or Spit & Spill.
Wow, that seems high to me. I've seen in the $20 - $25 range.
What's funny to me with it and Pupsi is people seem to forget there were the album versions of the same cards, and lots more of those!
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I believe so - during the short time I was attending shows in the late '90's and learning about the rarer titles through the various handbooks and many phone conversations with the Shoe, the elite group in 1-16 always seemed to boil down to the same seven. Being familiar with the movie title and the Clash song as well, the nickname was easy enough to conjure up. Now whether I was truly the first to think of it I have no idea; I can only say I thought of it before hearing anyone else say it. And Mark could probably not vouch for me either - in forum PM chats I've had with him the past few years, he had no recollections whatsoever of our earlier card show meetings and phone conversations during the '97-'98 timeframe.
Who are you? I know we folks in the original wacky pack union in that same time frame started using the term. I think Scott Broberg used the term first but maybe he heard it from you?
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I don't think it was a short print. I believe it's just shorter in the wild since most got peeled and stuck because of popularity.
I think I have like 13,000 series 1-16 stickers so I think I have a pretty good handle on the short prints as most of my stash was collection purchases and not me hunting down short prints so my collection should pretty much represent the bell curve so to speak. Bloodweiser is not a short pring but Catgobite is clearly a double print(to go with Mashbox, Iron-ons and Viewmonster). Do we have an uncut sheet that explains why Catgobite was doubled?
While we are on the topic, do we have any 14th tan sheets to examine to explain the odd double printing related to those titles? There is an unusual surplus of IRish Rings, Fanatical and several other titles.
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I think I have like 13,000 series 1-16 stickers so I think I have a pretty good handle on the short prints as most of my stash was collection purchases and not me hunting down short prints so my collection should pretty much represent the bell curve so to speak. Bloodweiser is not a short pring but Catgobite is clearly a double print(to go with Mashbox, Iron-ons and Viewmonster). Do we have an uncut sheet that explains why Catgobite was doubled?
While we are on the topic, do we have any 14th tan sheets to examine to explain the odd double printing related to those titles? There is an unusual surplus of IRish Rings, Fanatical and several other titles.
This stuff fascinates me. I've had nowhere near as much exposure as most of you but I have noticed over the years how some stickers keep showing up over and over, and wonder if there were an uneven number of them produced.
I really wish Topps had had overflow titles they could substitute in when cards were pulled (like Barf's) so you could end up with short prints of a title added late in the series rather than duplicates.
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That's what I've read too, but it does sell consistently higher than all other 15th series titles. For whatever reason its price is comparable ($30 to $50 in my experience) to Pupsi, Run Tony or Spit & Spill.
$30.00 - $50.00? Really? That sounds very high to me. If I pick-up Bloodweiser's I know who to sell them too! Lol!
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Wow, that seems high to me. I've seen in the $20 - $25 range.
What's funny to me with it and Pupsi is people seem to forget there were the album versions of the same cards, and lots more of those!
I actually thought the high side was $15.00, and Run Tony between $25.00 and $40.00.
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Bloodweiser is not a short pring but Catgobite is clearly a double print(to go with Mashbox, Iron-ons and Viewmonster). Do we have an uncut sheet that explains why Catgobite was doubled?
Here is the only 15th sheet I have seen and all titles are equally printed...............
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Not Run Tony or Bloodweiser?
Now I know why I was thinking 11 and not 12 titles. I do have 12 slabbed but there are 2 Run Tony's, one for white and tanback!..................
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I actually thought the high side was $15.00, and Run Tony between $25.00 and $40.00.
That seems right to me now that I think about it. Seems like Gums was $12-$15 and Bloodweiser $15 in the 15th series.
Nice set o' slabs! ;)
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Here is the only 15th sheet I have seen and all titles are equally printed...............
I don't think so, Rob. The first three titles on row 1 are the same as the last three on row 3 (Fearout, Mashbox and Viewmonster), true? I believe the sheet just repeats these 3 rows 4 times, so these 3 titles are double prints. Are my eyes deceiving me?
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I don't think so, Rob. The first three titles on row 1 are the same as the last three on row 3 (Fearout, Mashbox and Viewmonster), true? I believe the sheet just repeats these 3 rows 4 times, so these 3 titles are double prints. Are my eyes deceiving me?
Absolutely right! Dang, I must be gettin' old... ;)
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$30.00 - $50.00? Really? That sounds very high to me. If I pick-up Bloodweiser's I know who to sell them too! Lol!
My sales have been in the $30-$50 range as well. Hell, I sold one a few months ago that had a blue ink spot near the top right corner and it sold in the high $20's. I have also sold a pretty decent one for around $45. I haven't looked lately but these two cards were in the last year.
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Who are you? I know we folks in the original wacky pack union in that same time frame started using the term. I think Scott Broberg used the term first but maybe he heard it from you?
I'm Tom Benkert - fruitoftomb567 on the old forum. At the last show I went to, I think summer '98 in northern NJ, I actually met you - I think we had a beer at the hotel lounge. I know we spoke on the phone a few times before that - at that time I was mostly making contacts through the Wrapper and wasn't using the Internet yet. Most telcons were with Shoe because he just loved talking Wackys, and I had made several purchases of vintage stuff from him as well. As for the few shows I attended, I generally went to the Friday PM sessions only because I was working in NJ at the time so I would take half day off and head to the shows from there. At the first show I went to in Parsippany in summer '97, I met Mark, Terry Gomes, John Mellard, Macaluso and a few others (possibly Brian Lambert, Scott Broberg). I also went to Philly in Oct. '97 and saw most of the same people. I became a dad in 1999 which diverted my attention away from the hobby for a while. I was never part of any of the specific Wacky collector gatherings that started developing thereafter, such as the stuff NSU organized and the get-togethers at Greg's. Guess I dropped out of sight just before the hobby started peaking.
I definitely remember Shoe liked the term when he heard it, so it probably stuck with him and then took on a life of its own from there.
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I don't think so, Rob. The first three titles on row 1 are the same as the last three on row 3 (Fearout, Mashbox and Viewmonster), true? I believe the sheet just repeats these 3 rows 4 times, so these 3 titles are double prints. Are my eyes deceiving me?
Ok, that makes more sense. When I first looked at it it looked like all the same titles but I should have seen that there were 33 titles instead of 30 per block and it wasn't a perfect set.
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My sales have been in the $30-$50 range as well. Hell, I sold one a few months ago that had a blue ink spot near the top right corner and it sold in the high $20's. I have also sold a pretty decent one for around $45. I haven't looked lately but these two cards were in the last year.
Strange as it is too, I don't recall seeing many Bloodweisers on ebay in the last 6 to 12 months. I've seen many more BumChex, Choke Wagons & Grime Heavys in the last six months than Bloodweisers.
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I'm Tom Benkert - fruitoftomb567 on the old forum. At the last show I went to, I think summer '98 in northern NJ, I actually met you - I think we had a beer at the hotel lounge. I know we spoke on the phone a few times before that - at that time I was mostly making contacts through the Wrapper and wasn't using the Internet yet. Most telcons were with Shoe because he just loved talking Wackys, and I had made several purchases of vintage stuff from him as well. As for the few shows I attended, I generally went to the Friday PM sessions only because I was working in NJ at the time so I would take half day off and head to the shows from there. At the first show I went to in Parsippany in summer '97, I met Mark, Terry Gomes, John Mellard, Macaluso and a few others (possibly Brian Lambert, Scott Broberg). I also went to Philly in Oct. '97 and saw most of the same people. I became a dad in 1999 which diverted my attention away from the hobby for a while. I was never part of any of the specific Wacky collector gatherings that started developing thereafter, such as the stuff NSU organized and the get-togethers at Greg's. Guess I dropped out of sight just before the hobby started peaking.
I definitely remember Shoe liked the term when he heard it, so it probably stuck with him and then took on a life of its own from there.
Hey dude, yes, those were my first shows too! Wasn't the show at the Parsippany Hilton? I think Scott Kravitz was there too! Sorry I didn't connect your forum names to you. Glad we have reconnected!
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Strange as it is too, I don't recall seeing many Bloodweisers on ebay in the last 6 to 12 months. I've seen many more BumChex, Choke Wagons & Grime Heavys in the last six months than Bloodweisers.
I have found Bloodweisers to be plentiful in funpacks, especially the yellow wrapper ones with a 12th series checklist. I think that might prove it was not a pulled titled and surplus series 15s to go with other surplus wackys were peddled in funpacks.
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I have found Bloodweisers to be plentiful in funpacks, especially the yellow wrapper ones with a 12th series checklist. I think that might prove it was not a pulled titled and surplus series 15s to go with other surplus wackys were peddled in funpacks.
Is there any way to determine if funpacks contain wackys? I had a couple that did, and recorded the number off the wrapper, only to buy some others with the same number/look that contained nothing but A-Team cards, and they were awful (TONS of duplicates and really poorly made).
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Is there any way to determine if funpacks contain wackys? I had a couple that did, and recorded the number off the wrapper, only to buy some others with the same number/look that contained nothing but A-Team cards, and they were awful (TONS of duplicates and really poorly made).
You are describing the multicolored stripped mystery packs. I am referring to what we commonly call "Funpacks" which look like regular original series unopened packs but they contain misc mixed stickers and puzzle. Example, what can normally look like 14th yellow packs contain a 12th puzzle and 15th sticker instead. You can see very easily through the yellow wrapper to determine a funpack versus 14th sticker contents.
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You are describing the multicolored stripped mystery packs. I am referring to what we commonly call "Funpacks" which look like regular original series unopened packs but they contain misc mixed stickers and puzzle. Example, what can normally look like 14th yellow packs contain a 12th puzzle and 15th sticker instead. You can see very easily through the yellow wrapper to determine a funpack versus 14th sticker contents.
Ah yes. Makes sense. Thanks!
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Hey dude, yes, those were my first shows too! Wasn't the show at the Parsippany Hilton? I think Scott Kravitz was there too! Sorry I didn't connect your forum names to you. Glad we have reconnected!
OK great, then you remember too! The '97 and '98 summer NJ shows were in close proximity to each other, but not exactly the same town - I'm thinking Parisippany in '97 and Whippany in '98, but I'm not absolutely sure. I don't remember Scott specifically, but if Greg still has those group shots in his site I'll look and see if he's there and whether I recognize him. I'm pretty sure I also met Greg at that '98 show too, but only briefly. I don't think there were too many familiar faces at that Friday session, I'm pretty sure Shoe couldn't make it until the next day, but meeting you and maybe one or two other guys I do remember. The summer '97 NJ and fall '97 Philly shows were monsters in terms of what was available and reasonable prices. The '98 show seemed somewhat scaled down from the previous two, but still found some decent stuff. I guess dealers probably hold some stuff back until the full-day sessions too though. I can only imagine the deals Shoe and others used to find in the previous years' shows when the Wacky community was much smaller. I think he told me his first shows were as far back as '91 or so.