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Wacky Packages Discussion => General Wacky Packages Discussion => Topic started by: NationalSpittoon on November 23, 2022, 01:21:56 PM
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Howdy,
Found this die-cut box for sale. I think these are pretty common, but what do you guys think?
http://milehighcardco.com/Exceptionally_Rare_1967_Topps_Wacky_Packages_Unope-LOT89463.aspx
Mark
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Howdy,
Found this die-cut box for sale. I think these are pretty common, but what do you guys think?
http://milehighcardco.com/Exceptionally_Rare_1967_Topps_Wacky_Packages_Unope-LOT89463.aspx
Mark
An unopened box? I would love to have that in my collection, but I would be too tempted to kill it...............
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Howdy,
Found this die-cut box for sale. I think these are pretty common, but what do you guys think?
http://milehighcardco.com/Exceptionally_Rare_1967_Topps_Wacky_Packages_Unope-LOT89463.aspx
Mark
I agree, very common actually. I see these for sale all the time. lol
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I agree, very common actually. I see these for sale all the time. lol
I'll just stick with my empty box:
(https://i.postimg.cc/K1cLn0CH/100-3029.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/K1cLn0CH) (https://i.postimg.cc/K19TQn2v/100-3030.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/K19TQn2v)
It's in nicer shape than that nasty old full one!!!
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Since it's BBCE wrapped, you might as well have the empty box. In my opinion, the enjoyment of having a full box is seeing the unopened packs. You could unwrap it, but that would diminish its resale value. It's not something I would normally worry about unless I was paying the auction's current price of $16K+. Money doesn't grow on trees in my part of the country.
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Since it's BBCE wrapped, you might as well have the empty box. In my opinion, the enjoyment of having a full box is seeing the unopened packs. You could unwrap it, but that would diminish its resale value. It's not something I would normally worry about unless I was paying the auction's current price of $16K+. Money doesn't grow on trees in my part of the country.
I think paying BBCE to wrap boxes is idiotic and it is a shame there is any premium for that.
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I think paying BBCE to wrap boxes is idiotic and it is a shame there is any premium for that.
I am glad you have the expertise to spot resealed material, not everyone does.
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I am glad you have the expertise to spot resealed material, not everyone does.
Didn't BBCE authenticate the $3.5Million sealed case of Pokémon that turned out to be GI Joe stickers? I've often wondered about their ability to tell if something was truly unopened. And what about full boxes that were filled by purchasing unopened packs from various boxes? If the wrapper pattern is correct, could they really tell the difference?
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Didn't BBCE authenticate the $3.5Million sealed case of Pokémon that turned out to be GI Joe stickers? I've often wondered about their ability to tell if something was truly unopened. And what about full boxes that were filled by purchasing unopened packs from various boxes? If the wrapper pattern is correct, could they really tell the difference?
The Pokémon mistake had nothing to do with checking packs.
And BBCE does not certify that a box is original unless it is from a sealed case. Their certification is just that the packs are legitimate, something they have a nearly flawless track record on.
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The Pokémon mistake had nothing to do with checking packs.
What happened?
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The Pokémon mistake had nothing to do with checking packs.
And BBCE does not certify that a box is original unless it is from a sealed case. Their certification is just that the packs are legitimate, something they have a nearly flawless track record on.
Are you suggesting that there is a full case of these?
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Are you suggesting that there is a full case of these?
No. I’m saying that the only way BBCE will certify that a box is as it originally came from the factory is if they remove it from the unopened case. In that case, they label it “FASC” and it commands a hefty premium.
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What happened?
Steve Hart made the mistake of going beyond his area of expertise and certified that a very valuable Pokémon case was unopened. A famous YouTuber paid handsomely for it. It turned out it was fake and the packs contained GI Joe cards.
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No. I’m saying that the only way BBCE will certify that a box is as it originally came from the factory is if they remove it from the unopened case. In that case, they label it “FASC” and it commands a hefty premium.
Thanks for the info. I'm not into wrapping, so I didn't realize there were different levels.
I looked on the BBCE web site and saw three tiers of authentication, with the highest two requiring an original factory wrapping on the box and no requirement that it came from an unopened case. If that is the case, then vintage items should never qualify for either of these two since they were never wrapped at the factory. If boxes from an unopened case did qualify, then I suppose since BBCE was fooled with the Pokémon case, they could be fooled with any other "apparently sealed" case when the individual boxes pre-dated factory wrapping. The point really should be moot since unopened boxes from that era would all have the lowest of the three authentication tiers anyway.
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If boxes from an unopened case did qualify, then I suppose since BBCE was fooled with the Pokémon case, they could be fooled with any other "apparently sealed" case when the individual boxes pre-dated factory wrapping. The point really should be moot since unopened boxes from that era would all have the lowest of the three authentication tiers anyway.
There aren’t too many full cases of vintage boxes around, but the difference is he does have experience with something like a 1978 baseball wax or cello case, and knows a lot of details that are hard to fake. Conversely, he had zero experience with Pokémon and should have passed on authenticating it. Because as these posts illustrate, people will continually bring it up to challenge his general competence, so it does hurt his reputation a lot.
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I am glad you have the expertise to spot resealed material, not everyone does.
Including the companies certifying these things but you go ahead and keep them in business, someone has to.....
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Including the companies certifying these things but you go ahead and keep them in business, someone has to.....
You are completely wrong about that, but entitled to your opinion of course.
If you actually believe that buying an unopened pack that is certified by PSA/BBCE does not massively improve the chances of it being legitimate compared to an ungraded ebay pack then I don’t know what to say.
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You are completely wrong about that, but entitled to your opinion of course.
If you actually believe that buying an unopened pack that is certified by PSA/BBCE does not massively improve the chances of it being legitimate compared to an ungraded ebay pack then I don’t know what to say.
I never said it doesn't improve the chances, I said it is idiotic to wrap full boxes(I agree with Dr Ono as there is nothing more boring than a wrapped full box you cant open) and then you went tangental on it so I responded...
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I never said it doesn't improve the chances, I said it is idiotic to wrap full boxes(I agree with Dr Ono as there is nothing more boring than a wrapped full box you cant open) and then you went tangental on it so I responded...
Why does Dave consistently defend the undefendable?
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Why does Dave consistently defend the undefendable?
What are you talking about?
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What are you talking about?
oh good grief
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I would not want to keep a box like that wrapped either.
However, if I were paying over $10K for it, I would want to know that the packs were legitimate, and this is pretty much the only way to be confident of that unless you are buying from someone you know and know the provenance.
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oh good grief
Thanks for your usual valuable contributions.
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Why does Dave consistently defend the undefendable?
Why does Plastered Peanut ask such a pointless question?
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Why does Plastered Peanut ask such a pointless question?
well, let's see.....
He defends Greg against bullying people.
He defends "experts" against deciding without doubt on "questionable" matters.
is that enough?
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well, let's see.....
He defends Greg against bullying people.
He defends "experts" against deciding without doubt on "questionable" matters.
is that enough?
Some advice David….
1. If you’re going to continually cry about Greg’s behavior, maybe don’t attack me without any provocation.
2. You clearly don’t know what you are talking about with regard to BBCE so why not stay out of it?
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If anyone actually cares about the subject of wrapping boxes here, I have already suggested to BBCE that they should photograph all of the packs before wrapping a box so that future buyers would easily be able to see what they are really buying. Seems like a no brainer, but they have not made that happen as of yet.
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I would not want to keep a box like that wrapped either.
However, if I were paying over $10K for it, I would want to know that the packs were legitimate, and this is pretty much the only way to be confident of that unless you are buying from someone you know and know the provenance.
Hence the catch 22, not really worth owning wrapped, seems to be perception that only wrapped is worth buying....therefore it isn't worth owning or another option pay the lower price for the lesser trusted item because at the end of the day, if the packs are never going to be killed then their being resealed is really irrelevant....it is all part of the crazy chase of collecting unopened material which is exactly why I never bothered and I am only interested in empty display boxes. Still empty wrappers in there and it still looks pretty.
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If anyone actually cares about the subject of wrapping boxes here, I have already suggested to BBCE that they should photograph all of the packs before wrapping a box so that future buyers would easily be able to see what they are really buying. Seems like a no brainer, but they have not made that happen as of yet.
What problem does this solve? Is there a fear that the boxes are full of candy bars?
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Some advice David….
1. If you’re going to continually cry about Greg’s behavior, maybe don’t attack me without any provocation.
2. You clearly don’t know what you are talking about with regard to BBCE so why not stay out of it?
when you claim you seek truths, you sure put on the breaks when it comes to challenging greg's version of things.....
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What problem does this solve? Is there a fear that the boxes are full of candy bars?
It allows the buyer to see what the packs actually look like. Whether they are nice and fresh, or moldy, or whatever, beyond the paramount question of their legitimacy.
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when you claim you seek truths, you sure put on the breaks when it comes to challenging greg's version of things.....
When did this thread have anything to do with Greg? Talk about out of left field….
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Hence the catch 22, not really worth owning wrapped, seems to be perception that only wrapped is worth buying....therefore it isn't worth owning or another option pay the lower price for the lesser trusted item because at the end of the day, if the packs are never going to be killed then their being resealed is really irrelevant....it is all part of the crazy chase of collecting unopened material which is exactly why I never bothered and I am only interested in empty display boxes. Still empty wrappers in there and it still looks pretty.
Who said they are “never going to be killed?” Hal Steinbrenner has purchased expensive boxes like this because he wanted to open them. So he obviously wants to be sure they are legitimate. That is the one key issue whether the buyer wants to open the packs or not.
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well, let's see.....
He defends Greg against bullying people.
He defends "experts" against deciding without doubt on "questionable" matters.
is that enough?
I don’t think I’ve seen him defend bullying on here, and I would recommend avoiding ambiguity in that second point. What is questionable to you is not questionable to someone else.
I’m glad to see we have moved on from the provenance of an unopened die-cut box to literally anything else in the same topic. I would have it no other way.
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No. I’m saying that the only way BBCE will certify that a box is as it originally came from the factory is if they remove it from the unopened case. In that case, they label it “FASC” and it commands a hefty premium.
I’m still not clear on how they can authenticate and claim this as an “Unopened “ box, if this did not come from a case as you said.
To me Unopened implies it’s as originally packed by Topps, and it’s something much more than a box full of authentic packs. Why is this not listed as Full Box of authentic packs?
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You are right. Based on BBCE’s certification, it should not be called unopened. Though in this case, the overwhelming likelihood is that this box is original. That would be much less likely were this an issue (like 1980 baseball or something) where loose packs are easily available.
This is another reason why it’s so important to be able to see the contents. It’s usually pretty easy to tell if it is an original box based on a uniform appearance of the packs if you are experienced.
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Am I wondering if this is an early box and there is a chance for a Ratz of Cracked, or if a later box with the chance for a 21 Jolly Mean and the other # oddities. I also feel it is a middle run box though ( my luck) that has neither of the early or late issue cards
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It allows the buyer to see what the packs actually look like. Whether they are nice and fresh, or moldy, or whatever, beyond the paramount question of their legitimacy.
With all the money BBCE gets for a high dollar box like this, you'd think they would have come up with a solution so the contents could be viewed. There could be an option offering a sealed Lucite box with the lid opened so the packs are visible. Or maybe wrap the box and the packs separately and display them side by side rather than with the packs inside.
Most boxes fit within a few standard sizes, so it wouldn't take a whole lot of custom boxes. If I was getting a $100 box wrapped, I probably wouldn't bother, but if I was paying $500+ for a box like this, I'd pay an extra $200 for this option. In my eyes, the enjoyment of seeing the packs would be worth it. Now, if I could smell the packs like when they first hit the shelves, that would be perfect.
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It allows the buyer to see what the packs actually look like. Whether they are nice and fresh, or moldy, or whatever, beyond the paramount question of their legitimacy.
Which again is irrelevant if the box will never be unwrapped and opened again. With every post, it firms my stance that full wrapped boxes are a complete waste of existence. Maybe it is like dreaming of being with a pinup chick, stare at the poster, dream of what can never happen, dream of what will never be seen? dunno, I just don't get it.
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When did this thread have anything to do with Greg? Talk about out of left field….
Yup, left field, but always good to rationalize your tangent path with one that came later....
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Who said they are “never going to be killed?” Hal Steinbrenner has purchased expensive boxes like this because he wanted to open them. So he obviously wants to be sure they are legitimate. That is the one key issue whether the buyer wants to open the packs or not.
yes, for the 1% who will kill the packs, it makes sense and again.....in their hands, the boxes will be killed, all other existence of wrapped boxes is a waste. I wonder how many Pupsi's Hal pulled from the 10th box I sold him that 100% had pupsi's in it as one could be seen thru the pack. I still have one such 10th pack...should I waste money and have BBCE or PSA slab it? HAHAHA nope!
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I’m still not clear on how they can authenticate and claim this as an “Unopened “ box, if this did not come from a case as you said.
To me Unopened implies it’s as originally packed by Topps, and it’s something much more than a box full of authentic packs. Why is this not listed as Full Box of authentic packs?
EXACTLY! This box could have been cobbled together with packs from all sorts of sources so it is nothing more than certifying a pile of packs in a box that they KNOW most won't bother to unseal but it is important for BBCE to make sure perception is bigger than that so they can roll in the $ on this.
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Am I seeing this correct, $64,000!?!?
How many packs were in a box? And is there anyway to tell if this is a box that was packed before Ratz and Cracked were pulled?
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Sorry, I can answer my own questions...
In the Argyropoulos book he mentions that artwork on the box denotes if it was from 1967 or 1968. The "Campy" Spider Soup artwork is the earlier 1967 box thought to contain Ratz and Cracked. The "Tasty" Spider Soup artwork is on the 1968 boxes which are thought to contain no Ratz or Cracked. This auction was for a "Campy" Spider Soup box.
http://milehighcardco.com/Exceptionally_Rare_1967_Topps_Wacky_Packages_Unope-LOT89463.aspx
I couldn't find anywhere in the book how many packs were in a box though.
Still an amazing price!!!
Todd B.
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Sorry, I can answer my own questions...
In the Argyropoulos book he mentions that artwork on the box denotes if it was from 1967 or 1968. The "Campy" Spider Soup artwork is the earlier 1967 box thought to contain Ratz and Cracked. The "Tasty" Spider Soup artwork is on the 1968 boxes which are thought to contain no Ratz or Cracked. This auction was for a "Campy" Spider Soup box.
http://milehighcardco.com/Exceptionally_Rare_1967_Topps_Wacky_Packages_Unope-LOT89463.aspx
I couldn't find anywhere in the book how many packs were in a box though.
Still an amazing price!!!
Todd B.
My box (Campy Spider Soup) says 24 packs.
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I couldn't find anywhere in the book how many packs were in a box though.
If you look at the second photo in the auction, in the top left corner of the side of the box, it shows "24 ct.". So, 24 packs, 5 stickers per pack.
This is also documented here (https://wackypacks.com/boxes/checklist.html).
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If you look at the second photo in the auction, in the top left corner of the side of the box, it shows "24 ct.". So, 24 packs, 5 stickers per pack.
This is also documented here (https://wackypacks.com/boxes/checklist.html).
Another great job by Greg.
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Another great job by Greg.
Yes. Unfortunately, the actual die-cut page(s) seem to have incorrect information, specifically about the sequencing of the boxes and other inconsistencies, as well. It would confuse me, if I didn't know better. Things like Tasty box came before Campy...then contradicts elsewhere. Hopefully, it'll be fixed eventually. Oh, MiiiIIIke?!?!? Calling Mr. Proofreader! lol
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Yes. Unfortunately, the actual die-cut page(s) seem to have incorrect information, specifically about the sequencing of the boxes and other inconsistencies, as well. It would confuse me, if I didn't know better. Things like Tasty box came before Campy...then contradicts elsewhere. Hopefully, it'll be fixed eventually. Oh, MiiiIIIke?!?!? Calling Mr. Proofreader! lol
Unfortunately, I don't know that much about the history of Wacky Packages boxes. My guess - and it's only a guess - is that Campy appeared first, then was changed to Tasty after Campy as a sticker was C&Ded. That seems like it would be right. However, Greg's page on the Die-Cuts does say the Die-Cuts' wrapper always had Campy on it. Obviously, there was no way that could be changed.
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Unfortunately, I don't know that much about the history of Wacky Packages boxes. My gues [...]
[southern voice] You never heard of gues?
[Joe Pesci voice] Suuuure, I've heard of gues, I've just never seen a gue before.
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Yes. Unfortunately, the actual die-cut page(s) seem to have incorrect information, specifically about the sequencing of the boxes and other inconsistencies, as well. It would confuse me, if I didn't know better. Things like Tasty box came before Campy...then contradicts elsewhere. Hopefully, it'll be fixed eventually. Oh, MiiiIIIke?!?!? Calling Mr. Proofreader! lol
I think the tasty box is far less common.
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I think the tasty box is far less common.
I’m not sure which one is more common. But I have seen a few Tastys that, like mine, were part of this Topps promotion.
(https://i.postimg.cc/9Qg2cLZd/7-EC555-EA-8-CDB-47-CE-BBF9-4-C1-BEB718711.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/76GYFpRJ/0-EC77219-7-E1-C-4-E1-F-884-C-D524-A7-F54-E49.jpg)
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I’m not sure which one is more common. But I have seen a few Tastys that, like mine, were part of this Topps promotion.
(https://i.postimg.cc/9Qg2cLZd/7-EC555-EA-8-CDB-47-CE-BBF9-4-C1-BEB718711.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/76GYFpRJ/0-EC77219-7-E1-C-4-E1-F-884-C-D524-A7-F54-E49.jpg)
Nice looking box!
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So will we ever know what's inside? That's the $64,000 question.
I have no idea who won this item, or what his plans are. From a research standpoint, nothing would be more exciting than going through a die-cut box, but how many full boxes might exist?
FWIW, at that price I would leave it as is. An unopened box does not guarantee that the contents are in pristine condition. And looking for the ultra-rares would be a gamble at best.
It's kind of fun to envision those PSA 9 and 10 Ratz and Crackeds, though...
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I think you’d have to be stupid to open the box. Getting a Ratz or Cracked is like winning the lottery. Sure, there are winners. But there aren’t millions of die-cut boxes that give a lottery-like chance to get those cards.
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I think you’d have to be stupid to open the box. Getting a Ratz or Cracked is like winning the lottery. Sure, there are winners. But there aren’t millions of die-cut boxes that give a lottery-like chance to get those cards.
I think grading craze will drive this box being killed, another drawback of the grading craze.
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I think you’d have to be stupid to open the box. Getting a Ratz or Cracked is like winning the lottery. Sure, there are winners. But there aren’t millions of die-cut boxes that give a lottery-like chance to get those cards.
Yep, and this box could be like the ones I encountered in California in 1967 - No Slum Maid, no Coronation, no Muller, no Moron Salt, no Fearstone, no Alcohol Seltzer, no Campy, no Demented.
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I think grading craze will drive this box being killed, another drawback of the grading craze.
It is certainly a bad financial move to open it. Someone like Eric, if they happen to care more about the cards than unopened, might do it anyway. But in the overall market, the current “unopened craze” in sports cards is actually stronger than the graded card craze, so I would doubt almost anyone else would open it.
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It is certainly a bad financial move to open it. Someone like Eric, if they happen to care more about the cards than unopened, might do it anyway. But in the overall market, the current “unopened craze” in sports cards is actually stronger than the graded card craze, so I would doubt almost anyone else would open it.
Unless something good showed through the wrappers?
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Many moons ago I had a chance to purchase a pack at a show with Cracked Animals on top. If I recall the price was 500.
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Unless something good showed through the wrappers?
With sports cards, there is a whole collecting focus on unopened packs with star cards showing through. Unlike wackys, most of it focuses on cello and rack packs, where you can clearly see the cards. So these packs are even less likely to be opened, because they command a premium as unopened packs.
A pack like this is worth much more than the graded card would be worth.
(https://i.postimg.cc/jdZkL4QZ/A9-CD8006-EA1-C-46-E0-B081-8-B081-AF62-C9-D.jpg)
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With sports cards, there is a whole collecting focus on unopened packs with star cards showing through. Unlike wackys, most of it focuses on cello and rack packs, where you can clearly see the cards. So these packs are even less likely to be opened, because they command a premium as unopened packs.
A pack like this is worth much more than the graded card would be worth.
(https://i.postimg.cc/jdZkL4QZ/A9-CD8006-EA1-C-46-E0-B081-8-B081-AF62-C9-D.jpg)
But the Die cuts are different, right? If a Ratz showed, maybe it is an opener?
I used sift through the cello packs at stores all the time! Unfortunately, I opened them :sad:
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But the Die cuts are different, right? If a Ratz showed, maybe it is an opener?
I used sift through the cello packs at stores all the time! Unfortunately, I opened them :sad:
The Wacky Collecting Community is so small I’m not really sure. To me, an unopened pack with Ratz showing should be worth much more than a graded Ratz, but it all depends how the collecting community views it.
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The Wacky Collecting Community is so small I’m not really sure. To me, an unopened pack with Ratz showing should be worth much more than a graded Ratz, but it all depends how the collecting community views it.
Good point! I'd be inclined to keep it as is.
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It is certainly a bad financial move to open it. Someone like Eric, if they happen to care more about the cards than unopened, might do it anyway. But in the overall market, the current “unopened craze” in sports cards is actually stronger than the graded card craze, so I would doubt almost anyone else would open it.
Didn't Eric and others kill diecut packs in the past?
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The Wacky Collecting Community is so small I’m not really sure. To me, an unopened pack with Ratz showing should be worth much more than a graded Ratz, but it all depends how the collecting community views it.
The "value" of the premium title showing is that the premium title could grade very highly. I don't believe anything else would drive the pack to be unusual valuation. I have pupsi showing through unopened pack and Scoot no copy showing thru unopened pack. You think their values are more than PSA8 or PSA9 level of those two titles? I guess I should bring them to market as I would sell for more than the high PSA value of those titles for sure.
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The "value" of the premium title showing is that the premium title could grade very highly. I don't believe anything else would drive the pack to be unusual valuation. I have pupsi showing through unopened pack and Scoot no copy showing thru unopened pack. You think their values are more than PSA8 or PSA9 level of those two titles? I guess I should bring them to market as I would sell for more than the high PSA value of those titles for sure.
Yes, Eric has opened die cut packs in the past.
I definitely know that a PSA Graded baseball cello pack with a major star showing is worth more than the graded card would be (unless a PSA 10 maybe). Again, I don’t know with wackys because I don’t even know if anyone in the hobby collects packs with key cards showing. The hobby is so small there just isn’t much data to go on.
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Yes, Eric has opened die cut packs in the past.
I definitely know that a PSA Graded baseball cello pack with a major star showing is worth more than the graded card would be (unless a PSA 10 maybe). Again, I don’t know with wackys because I don’t even know if anyone in the hobby collects packs with key cards showing. The hobby is so small there just isn’t much data to go on.
agree on wacky data being too small but the baseball card mentality seems would be the same to me, the "value" of see thru unopened material has to be because of the perceived value of the graded card. Can you site examples where the see thru card pack sold for more than the PSA9 or PSA10 value of the same card? I am very skeptical. BTW, Eric did NOT win this diecut box.
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I’ll look for some sales Ernie, but the issue is that unopened sells at a huge premium to the contents of the pack, whether stars are showing or not. For example, a 1971 rack pack is valued at over $5K right now even with no stars showing. That is around $100 per card. It’s not based on the contents, but on the rarity of the pack itself. So with a star showing, you get a premium on top of that.
The same kind of thing is true of this die cut box. At north of $60K it is definitely selling for more than the per pack value.
Think about the hypothetical Ratz pack. If it existed, it would very likely be the only one. Isn’t that more valuable than a graded Ratz, of which there are a bunch?
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I’ll look for some sales Ernie, but the issue is that unopened sells at a huge premium to the contents of the pack, whether stars are showing or not. For example, a 1971 rack pack is valued at over $5K right now even with no stars showing. That is around $100 per card. It’s not based on the contents, but on the rarity of the pack itself. So with a star showing, you get a premium on top of that.
The same kind of thing is true of this die cut box. At north of $60K it is definitely selling for more than the per pack value.
Think about the hypothetical Ratz pack. If it existed, it would very likely be the only one. Isn’t that more valuable than a graded Ratz, of which there are a bunch?
Ok this started with your saying sports packs with stars are highly sought so my response was that it is clearly driven by getting high graded star. Now you have clarified that ALL unopened packs are selling at a premium to contents which I agree there should be some premium, total of contents in pack plus some $ amount due to being in pristine state versus being opened. I think unopened packs will soon become more valuable because of all the knuckleheads killing packs to get high graded cards. Inevitably the graded cards will be saturated due to all this pack killing and the desire to kill packs will subside.
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I'm not interested in getting in the middle here. Correct me if I'm wrong, though (as I skimmed through this thread & might have missed it), but it seems like no one's bringing up specifically the most relevant reason that this box shouldn't be listed as a true "unopened box" without proof (whether it's eventually opened or not)... if it was assembled with a pile of unopened packs rather than being an unopened factory box, even if all the packs are genuinely unopened rather than resealed (which is always a possibility too), the collation would be a mess. Granted, someone might get lucky that way with every pack containing a Ratz or Cracked or 21 Jolly -- Yah, and 6Urp is a Saunders piece. But chances are a lot more likely that this could have been assembled using the 'left-over' packs from other boxes that someone opened until Ratz & Cracked were pulled, or until it was realized they were mid-run common packs or something. Like counting cards in Blackjack. Without getting to see even the codes on the packs (which would be helpful), who knows what's in those packs? It's the double-stuff that makes a double-stuff Oreo better than a regular Oreo, not the cookie parts.
So, it would seem logical that there be a sliding scale of values for unopened diecut boxes... #1 is a true factory unopened box from the early run (w/Ratz & Cracked almost guaranteed inside), #2 is a true factory unopened box from the late run (w/#21 Jolly, and other rare variants almost guaranteed), #3 is a true factory unopened box from mid-run with ? inside. And then unknown origin or definitely assembled boxes could be priced according to the wrapper codes or using the visible stickers to assess the era, or just by adding up the value of 5 x 24 random non-rare PSA8 diecuts, 24 wrappers, the empty box in whatever condition it's in, and some reasonable premium on top that doesn't get anywhere near the value of #1, 2, 3 above. Makes sense to me anyway. For something like 9th series or 12th series stickers... who cares? But for Diecuts and maybe 1st-4th, factory vs. assembled can make a huge difference.