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Title: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: Swiski on August 10, 2021, 03:49:58 PM
I'm going to attempt the revive a thread to discuss comparisons of Wacky Packages parodies to their real life products.

The original thread http://www.wackypackagesforum.com/index.php?topic=4739.0 (http://www.wackypackagesforum.com/index.php?topic=4739.0) celebrated the original vintage series in chronological checklist order from the Die-Cuts to the 16th Series.

This new thread will begin with unpublished Wacky Packages from the vintage series that were not included in the original thread. I will also show parodies from Wacky Ads and Wacky Posters that were not in the original series. Only finished (or near-finished) artwork. So no rough sketches....because there are too many out there.

After that I will move on to the 1985 series, and so on and so forth. There might be long breaks in between series based on my available time, and I will try to make new comparison posts every few days for each series.

So to start things off, here is an unpublished title that was intended for the 1967 die-cuts set where the base artwork was completed, but the lettering, coloring and inking were not. However, the artwork was finally completed for inclusion in a Topps official Lost Wackys subset.

Janitor In A Slum compared to Janitor In A Drum...

(https://i.postimg.cc/dhS4WmHQ/original-unfinished-art.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/dhS4WmHQ)(https://i.postimg.cc/R6wdZrMq/2008-Lost-Wacky-finished-art.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/R6wdZrMq)(https://i.postimg.cc/N2Y4yNMD/real-product.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/N2Y4yNMD)

Janitor In A Slum was also included in the unofficial Lost Wacky sets. Anyone know if the artwork was completed before the official Topps set? Note the orange cap and overall coloring is different on these, plus the variant in yellow with yellow cap.

(https://i.postimg.cc/WFB54jFJ/s-l500-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/WFB54jFJ)(https://i.postimg.cc/wRD0yPL4/s-l500-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/wRD0yPL4)
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: MoldRush on August 10, 2021, 06:13:50 PM
Awesome news Swiski, you are a truly inspired nostalgist!  (If that’s a proper form of the word)

I remember TV commercials very well for this product.  Kind of on the fence about the parody though, not sure why.  Title is clever enough, but maybe a different graphic would have worked better.  Maybe a skid row streetscape, or something similiar to how Virginia Slums was done?  Just seeing a slovenly chubby guy doesn’t quite convey the gag for me.
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: bigtomi on August 10, 2021, 06:58:56 PM
I always thought “Janitor is a bum” would have been a better title for the artwork and gags.
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: MoldRush on August 10, 2021, 07:40:53 PM
I always thought “Janitor is a bum” would have been a better title for the artwork and gags.
I was thinking the same thing!  Janitor in a Slum sounds funnier but Janitor is a Bum fits the artwork better.
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: Swiski on August 11, 2021, 05:07:33 AM
I updated my original post above to cover the unofficial Lost Wacky versions of the parody artwork.
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: mikecho on August 11, 2021, 09:30:32 AM
Swiski, are you sure this Wacky was intended for the Die-Cuts? I always thought it was, but when I suggested this info for the Spreadsheet, no one believed me.
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: Swiski on August 11, 2021, 11:51:28 AM
Swiski, are you sure this Wacky was intended for the Die-Cuts? I always thought it was, but when I suggested this info for the Spreadsheet, no one believed me.

I pulled the information from Rusty's Lost Wackys website. Maybe he was incorrect? It definitely is a very old Lost Wacky from the beginning.

Here is a screen grab from The Lost Wackys website...

(https://i.postimg.cc/MM4Tb5j2/Screen-Shot-2021-08-11-at-1-52-24-PM.png) (https://postimg.cc/MM4Tb5j2)
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: mikecho on August 11, 2021, 01:34:31 PM
I pulled the information from Rusty's Lost Wackys website. Maybe he was incorrect? It definitely is a very old Lost Wacky from the beginning.

Here is a screen grab from The Lost Wackys website...

(https://i.postimg.cc/MM4Tb5j2/Screen-Shot-2021-08-11-at-1-52-24-PM.png) (https://postimg.cc/MM4Tb5j2)
Actually, that's where I got the information from in the first place, and most everyone on here has constantly said to take statements from lostwackys.com with more than a shakerful of salt.
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: Fanatical_and_Sickly on August 11, 2021, 03:58:51 PM
"we assume" says it all
Rusty's take is that those are flat-top beer cans depicted, so this must be from the 60's.
without more information to nail down a date for this, it's hard to say what it was for, but that's possible.
to me, the janitor is too normal looking for early series.

My biggest issue with this one is that LostWackys mocked it up as a metal can immediately after the unfinished art appeared.
Pasting in a can lid from another Wacky, and the red cap from Grass Wax.
Was JiaD ever sold in a metal can though? I've never seen anything other than plastic bottles.
And unfortunately that metal can image kept getting pushed out there, got into the Lost Wacky set, and eventually into the Flashback set.

Definitely prefer the unfinished art to the fake realizations.
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: Swiski on August 11, 2021, 04:47:35 PM
It's very possible the parody was from 1969 or maybe 1970.

I noticed several ebay auctions of ads or bottles from that timeframe.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/154557375477?hash=item23fc5663f5:g:naUAAOSw8cphCwcB (https://www.ebay.com/itm/154557375477?hash=item23fc5663f5:g:naUAAOSw8cphCwcB)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/313550165210?hash=item49010bd4da%3Ag%3AIt8AAOSwdE9gtYJh&nma=true&si=Lw7Kjg9KEonIV17fux0eRMBli3g%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/313550165210?hash=item49010bd4da%3Ag%3AIt8AAOSwdE9gtYJh&nma=true&si=Lw7Kjg9KEonIV17fux0eRMBli3g%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557)

Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: Swiski on August 12, 2021, 07:44:43 AM
Next up for vintage Lost Wackies is Buggies compared to Baggies. I believe it was meant for inclusion in the 3rd or 4th series?

(https://i.postimg.cc/FfFFMR9h/Buggies1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/FfFFMR9h)(https://i.postimg.cc/p91v3JGB/Buggies2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/p91v3JGB)(https://i.postimg.cc/DWCfnTZL/Baggies.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/DWCfnTZL)
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: mikecho on August 12, 2021, 10:37:26 AM
"we assume" says it all
Rusty's take is that those are flat-top beer cans depicted, so this must be from the 60's.
without more information to nail down a date for this, it's hard to say what it was for, but that's possible.
to me, the janitor is too normal looking for early series.

My biggest issue with this one is that LostWackys mocked it up as a metal can immediately after the unfinished art appeared.
Pasting in a can lid from another Wacky, and the red cap from Grass Wax.
Was JiaD ever sold in a metal can though? I've never seen anything other than plastic bottles.
And unfortunately that metal can image kept getting pushed out there, got into the Lost Wacky set, and eventually into the Flashback set.

Definitely prefer the unfinished art to the fake realizations.
Well, I don't know about the metal bottle, but I did see an image on Google of a yellow plastic bottle with a red lid labeled "New Formula". Does that help at all?
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: Paul_Maul on August 12, 2021, 10:53:35 AM
Next up for vintage Lost Wackies is Buggies compared to Baggies. I believe it was meant for inclusion in the 3rd or 4th series?

(https://i.postimg.cc/FfFFMR9h/Buggies1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/FfFFMR9h)(https://i.postimg.cc/p91v3JGB/Buggies2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/p91v3JGB)(https://i.postimg.cc/DWCfnTZL/Baggies.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/DWCfnTZL)

I don’t think Buggies was intended for a particular series. It was part of a group of potential replacements shown on the second series proof sheet. Most of these were subsequently used in the 4th series, when they were presumably no longer needed as replacements. They had earlier been considered as replacements for pulled 1st series titles, but were never ultimately used for that.

(https://i.postimg.cc/XYmWqNgD/0-D4-F5124-AD70-4-C77-B0-F0-570-C8-CC15-B61.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/B6JVQRRV/E61CC0ED-FBDF-403B-BEC4-30BD32718D13.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/SsVtXDhN/6DF9AFB9-B480-440F-97F2-9B0A57737180.jpg)
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: Swiski on August 13, 2021, 05:40:19 AM
Thanks for the information on the proof sheet! Buggies is older than I thought. Moving forward, I will avoid exact vintage series references where the parody art was pulled from.
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: Swiski on August 14, 2021, 02:36:14 PM
The next Lost Wacky is Winsome, along with Windstun (which did make the cut later in Series 9) compared to real product Winston.

(https://i.postimg.cc/R32yvjdh/Winsome.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/R32yvjdh)(https://i.postimg.cc/SXnHFyWH/Windstun-from-9th-Series.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/SXnHFyWH)(https://i.postimg.cc/DJsD0Bpg/Winston1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/DJsD0Bpg)
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: RawGoo on August 14, 2021, 02:51:22 PM
The next Lost Wacky is Winsome, along with Windstun (which did make the cut later in Series 9) compared to real product Winston.

(https://i.postimg.cc/R32yvjdh/Winsome.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/R32yvjdh)(https://i.postimg.cc/SXnHFyWH/Windstun-from-9th-Series.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/SXnHFyWH)(https://i.postimg.cc/DJsD0Bpg/Winston1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/DJsD0Bpg)

Winsome does nothing for me.  Windstun is a decent Wacky, but the writing on the side of the package seems to me to be upside down.
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: MoldRush on August 14, 2021, 05:04:33 PM
Not sure if I ever scrutinized Winsome closely before now, but from a pure art perspective I think it’s OS caliber.  Great little Saunders character, complete with green eye shadow.  The gag is weak though - is the fallen character the ‘lose some’ (I.e., croaking from smoking this risky cigarette brand) of ‘win some, lose some’?  Not sure what the ‘X’ is all about either.

For some reason I always mistakenly associate Windstun from an earlier series, like maybe 5th.  Is Muleburro a 5th title?  Maybe I’m just confusing cigarette parodies.
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: freetoes on August 14, 2021, 06:47:21 PM
Not sure if I ever scrutinized Winsome closely before now, but from a pure art perspective I think it’s OS caliber.  Great little Saunders character, complete with green eye shadow.  The gag is weak though - is the fallen character the ‘lose some’ (I.e., croaking from smoking this risky cigarette brand) of ‘win some, lose some’?  Not sure what the ‘X’ is all about either.

For some reason I always mistakenly associate Windstun from an earlier series, like maybe 5th.  Is Muleburro a 5th title?  Maybe I’m just confusing cigarette parodies.

Muleburro is from Series 5. Both have red packs.

Another reason Winsome might not have made the cut is that it is a real word apart from its intended meaning here--a favorable adjective, though one not likely to be used by those in the target demographic. (Side note: during the Wacky era, Winston was listed in Guinness as the world's top-selling cigarette brand.)
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: bigtomi on August 15, 2021, 12:57:00 PM
Not sure what the ‘X’ is all about either.
It appears to be tied to an “X marks the spot” thing, but not sure beyond that or why it’s there. Maybe a “here’s where you lose (die)”?
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: Fanatical_and_Sickly on August 15, 2021, 01:40:53 PM
Losing Winsome was part the death nell of anti-smoking wackys.
Topps struck Winsome and neutered Bent Cigarettes in the 4th series, and Wackys never again had parodies stating that smoking was bad for your health. Wonder if Big Tobacco had a 'talk' with Topps?
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: mikecho on August 15, 2021, 01:44:09 PM
Losing Winsome was part of the death-nell of anti-smoking Wackys.
Topps struck Winsome and neutered Bent Cigarettes in the 4th series, and Wackys never again had parodies stating that smoking was bad for your health. Wonder if Big Tobacco had a 'talk' with Topps?
Patrick, it wouldn't surprise me a bit if they did.
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: roughwriter on August 16, 2021, 05:28:30 AM
You all should see the Red Man Chewing Tobacco/Dead Man parody I drew! Big Tobacco would have sent a hit team after me if it ever got published!
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: Swiski on August 16, 2021, 05:41:55 AM
Next Lost Wacky is Kong Size Nastee Crush compared to King Size Nestle's Crunch

(https://i.postimg.cc/PCkFYykF/Nastee-Crush.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PCkFYykF)(https://i.postimg.cc/Q9BqRK3T/Nestle-s-Crunch.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Q9BqRK3T)
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: mikecho on August 16, 2021, 08:32:24 AM
You all should see the Red Man Chewing Tobacco/Dead Man parody I drew! Big Tobacco would have sent a hit team after me if it ever got published!
Was that during the OS run or the ANS run?
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: roughwriter on August 16, 2021, 10:54:26 AM
I drew it back in 2012, and submitted it to both OS and ANS, but legal turned it down cold. It is only an unpublished rough, not an official card.
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: mikecho on August 16, 2021, 11:21:03 AM
I drew it back in 2012, and submitted it to both OS and ANS, but legal turned it down cold. It is only an unpublished rough, not an official card.
Can I see a picture of it if you have it?

UPDATE: I saw it and I loved it! Now I can understand why legal turned it down both times, especially in this day and age.
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: MoldRush on August 16, 2021, 07:49:10 PM
Next Lost Wacky is Kong Size Nastee Crush compared to King Size Nestle's Crunch

(https://i.postimg.cc/PCkFYykF/Nastee-Crush.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PCkFYykF)(https://i.postimg.cc/Q9BqRK3T/Nestle-s-Crunch.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Q9BqRK3T)
This one strikes me in an odd way, because I can’t remember the ‘S’ looking like a ‘Z’ like it does on this wrapper.  Makes it look like a fake Nestle Crunch bar.  I’m sure it’s done right for the period, I just cant remember the graphic ever looking like that.  Hard to believe that this parody is the blank space on 5th checklists.  I’ll always wonder how it would have meshed with the rest of Series 5 had it been included, as opposed to seeing it for the first time some 40+ years after the fact.
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: Alexeirex on August 16, 2021, 07:58:30 PM
I miss the nestle's crunch bar - back in the day it was 5c vs 10c for some of the other candy bars, like the $100,000 bar ( was it $50K originally?) and was my favorite.
The last time I saw this was in the miniature form, in the halloween bags of candy.
A
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: JasonLiebig on August 16, 2021, 10:08:39 PM
This one strikes me in an odd way, because I can’t remember the ‘S’ looking like a ‘Z’ like it does on this wrapper.  Makes it look like a fake Nestle Crunch bar.  I’m sure it’s done right for the period, I just cant remember the graphic ever looking like that.  Hard to believe that this parody is the blank space on 5th checklists.  I’ll always wonder how it would have meshed with the rest of Series 5 had it been included, as opposed to seeing it for the first time some 40+ years after the fact.

Well, I can certainly confirm that it looked that way, as that is my wrapper.  Here's the whole thing:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/jasonliebigstuff/8388301707/
(https://live.staticflickr.com/8330/8388301707_832e5138c2_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/dMfeRv)
Nestle's Crunch - King Size - Giant Poster offer - chocolate candy bar wrapper - early 1970's (https://flic.kr/p/dMfeRv) by Jason Liebig (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jasonliebigstuff/), on Flickr

Not long after that though, they got rid of the plural "Nestle's": 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/jasonliebigstuff/3620581454/
(https://live.staticflickr.com/3643/3620581454_b5ca054516_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/6vWqJb)
Nestle Crunch bar wrapper - More Fun to Munch - 1970's (https://flic.kr/p/6vWqJb) by Jason Liebig (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jasonliebigstuff/), on Flickr

Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: Swiski on August 18, 2021, 04:50:22 AM
Here is another completed Lost Wacky parody art - Monsterettes compared to real product Oysterettes

(https://i.postimg.cc/y3ZYSDMZ/Monsterettes-art.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/y3ZYSDMZ)(https://i.postimg.cc/qgh7FFNv/Monsterettes.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/qgh7FFNv)(https://i.postimg.cc/6TkQxhZL/Oysterettes.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/6TkQxhZL)
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: mikecho on August 18, 2021, 09:24:35 AM
Well, I can certainly confirm that it looked that way, as that is my wrapper.  Here's the whole thing:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/jasonliebigstuff/8388301707/
(https://live.staticflickr.com/8330/8388301707_832e5138c2_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/dMfeRv)
Nestle's Crunch - King Size - Giant Poster offer - chocolate candy bar wrapper - early 1970's (https://flic.kr/p/dMfeRv) by Jason Liebig (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jasonliebigstuff/), on Flickr

Not long after that though, they got rid of the plural "Nestle's": 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/jasonliebigstuff/3620581454/
(https://live.staticflickr.com/3643/3620581454_b5ca054516_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/6vWqJb)
Nestle Crunch bar wrapper - More Fun to Munch - 1970's (https://flic.kr/p/6vWqJb) by Jason Liebig (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jasonliebigstuff/), on Flickr
I know what you mean, Jason; I remember the second name, but not the first. Now, I think I saw it's just called "Crunch".

Also, I remember the slogan "More Fun to Munch." They even had a jingle for it (boy, do I miss jingles!).
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: freetoes on August 18, 2021, 02:27:13 PM
I know what you mean, Jason; I remember the second name, but not the first. Now, I think I saw it's just called "Crunch".

Also, I remember the slogan "More Fun to Munch." They even had a jingle for it (boy, do I miss jingles!).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thZ0poky5Oc
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: Swiski on August 21, 2021, 02:04:21 PM
Here is another completed Lost Wacky parody art - Monsterettes compared to real product Oysterettes

(https://i.postimg.cc/y3ZYSDMZ/Monsterettes-art.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/y3ZYSDMZ)(https://i.postimg.cc/qgh7FFNv/Monsterettes.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/qgh7FFNv)(https://i.postimg.cc/6TkQxhZL/Oysterettes.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/6TkQxhZL)

Anyone have a larger image of the Oysterettes box?
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: Swiski on August 21, 2021, 02:12:22 PM
This Lost Wacky from the Vintage line finally saw the light of day in the early 1980s sticker album set - Schnozmopolitan compared to Cosmopolitan

The colors were adjusted, and it was reprinted years later in the Flashback set, then a few years later as a Foil chase title where it lost the joke "10 Things You Can Do To Please Him"


(https://i.postimg.cc/7CP3dXcn/Schnozmopolitan-rough.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/7CP3dXcn)(https://i.postimg.cc/4K86gVRk/Schnozmopolitan-line-art.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4K86gVRk)(https://i.postimg.cc/LYwjqSsx/Schnozmopolitan-1985-original.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/LYwjqSsx)(https://i.postimg.cc/q6KyyFh4/Schnozmopolitan-2008-Flashback.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/q6KyyFh4)(https://i.postimg.cc/1fpDzL1K/Schnozmopolitan-2010.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/1fpDzL1K)(https://i.postimg.cc/G8WsLjMN/Cosmopolitan-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/G8WsLjMN)(https://i.postimg.cc/Wq0qhJC4/Cosmopolitan-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Wq0qhJC4)
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: JasonLiebig on August 21, 2021, 09:40:28 PM
Anyone have a larger image of the Oysterettes box?

Yeah, I think someone pulled that Oysterettes image from my Flickr.  It was one of the reasons I was keen to buy and publish that Nabisco Showcase, so many years ago:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/5152/5795079137_a7ff5e8357_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/9Q6i8x)
Nabisco Showcase - Page 05 - Late 1960's (https://flic.kr/p/9Q6i8x) by Jason Liebig (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jasonliebigstuff/), on Flickr

As such, I probably have the thing scanned at higher resolution somewhere...
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: Swiski on August 22, 2021, 06:11:47 AM
Yeah, I think someone pulled that Oysterettes image from my Flickr.  It was one of the reasons I was keen to buy and publish that Nabisco Showcase, so many years ago:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/5152/5795079137_a7ff5e8357_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/9Q6i8x)
Nabisco Showcase - Page 05 - Late 1960's (https://flic.kr/p/9Q6i8x) by Jason Liebig (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jasonliebigstuff/), on Flickr

As such, I probably have the thing scanned at higher resolution somewhere...

Those vintage packaging designs were awesome!
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: JasonLiebig on August 22, 2021, 04:53:35 PM
Those vintage packaging designs were awesome!

They really were. Wish I had more of that stuff, but I've got some nice ones. 
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: Swiski on August 26, 2021, 02:53:46 PM
I'm kinda bummed this thread doesn't get more followers than it does. I put a lot of care and devotion into my research and was looking forward to getting into the post-vintage series, but if nobody cares it's a moot point to continue. Those 3D mini plastic pieces of crap are all the rage now I guess. The least important thing to me is being a completist and die-hard collector who has to own everything. It's all about the quality artwork to me.
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: mikecho on August 26, 2021, 03:11:08 PM
I'm kinda bummed this thread doesn't get more followers than it does. I put a lot of care and devotion into my research and was looking forward to getting into the post-vintage series, but if nobody cares it's a moot point to continue. Those 3D mini plastic pieces of crap are all the rage now I guess. The least important thing to me is being a completist and die-hard collector who has to own everything. It's all about the quality artwork to me.
I'd like to see the rest of this. Please carry on.
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: lucidjc on August 26, 2021, 05:48:32 PM
I'm kinda bummed this thread doesn't get more followers than it does. I put a lot of care and devotion into my research and was looking forward to getting into the post-vintage series, but if nobody cares it's a moot point to continue. Those 3D mini plastic pieces of crap are all the rage now I guess. The least important thing to me is being a completist and die-hard collector who has to own everything. It's all about the quality artwork to me.

DUDE! I don't give a shit about little plastic pieces...This thread is where its at. I hang on this one just like the OS thread. Just cause you aint getting all the love does not mean you don't have some secret admirers.  Please keep going!


Jim
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: MoldRush on August 26, 2021, 07:06:55 PM
Yes, think of yourself as the Velvet Underground of Wackys, having a small but devoted following.
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: Swiski on August 26, 2021, 07:49:10 PM
OK...you guys convinced me to keep on truckin'  :]

My goal is not to get thank yous for my posts, but rather responses with possibly interesting facts about the art that I might not now. On Greg's old site, I remember some cool threads such as the one where Norm Saunders son shared a lot of little known facts about Wacky Packages artwork. 

Like I said before, I feel like a large group of folks on this forum are all about collecting and not really into history anymore.
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: MadMike on August 26, 2021, 11:25:06 PM
I look forward to the next update. Thanks for taking the time to do this!
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: RawGoo on August 27, 2021, 01:36:00 AM
I love hearing about the history, but have nothing to contribute in that area.  I never even found out about any of the forums until around 2004, so even though I was collecting Wackys while those forums were active in the 90's, I missed out on all the cool discoveries as they were happening.
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: Swiski on August 27, 2021, 08:44:02 AM
I love hearing about the history, but have nothing to contribute in that area.  I never even found out about any of the forums until around 2004, so even though I was collecting Wackys while those forums were active in the 90's, I missed out on all the cool discoveries as they were happening.

That's OK, Pat. I guess I was focusing more on getting responses on this thread than the people enjoying them silently in the background. I love doing this research even if nobody has any facts to offer. I think a lot of those older history buffs either moved on or are still devoted to Greg's forum.
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: sco(o)t on August 27, 2021, 11:37:52 AM
That's OK, Pat. I guess I was focusing more on getting responses on this thread than the people enjoying them silently in the background. I love doing this research even if nobody has any facts to offer. I think a lot of those older history buffs either moved on or are still devoted to Greg's forum.

I think some of the "history buffs" only drop in occasionally. To paraphrase:  you built it, they will come... but just not on a daily basis. I really enjoy reading this info but, like some others, don't have much to comment on after your thorough comments. I do think, however, you could be less judgmental on what what people enjoy about Wacky collecting. I think everyone collects in different fashions and enjoys varying elements of the hobby. Bad mouthing the mini collectors may be detrimental to the audience you are trying to build for this thread.
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: Swiski on August 27, 2021, 12:23:14 PM
I think some of the "history buffs" only drop in occasionally. To paraphrase:  you built it, they will come... but just not on a daily basis. I really enjoy reading this info but, like some others, don't have much to comment on after your thorough comments. I do think, however, you could be less judgmental on what what people enjoy about Wacky collecting. I think everyone collects in different fashions and enjoys varying elements of the hobby. Bad mouthing the mini collectors may be detrimental to the audience you are trying to build for this thread.

I don't think I was bad mouthing any members here...more of a frustrated venting about the "crickets" here.
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: JasonLiebig on August 27, 2021, 04:00:27 PM
That's OK, Pat. I guess I was focusing more on getting responses on this thread than the people enjoying them silently in the background. I love doing this research even if nobody has any facts to offer. I think a lot of those older history buffs either moved on or are still devoted to Greg's forum.

If there's a product you're looking into, before you go doing a lot of research, you can certainly check with me.  Otherwise, you might end up finding scans of mine that I've published anyway, but there's lots that I haven't published, too. 

Not that I'm the BEST person at getting back to people all of the time, but I've devoted a lot of effort to tracking down the "original reference products" to Wackys.  And have so much material.

-Jason

Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: DrSushi on August 27, 2021, 05:23:34 PM
OK...you guys convinced me to keep on truckin'  :]

My goal is not to get thank yous for my posts, but rather responses with possibly interesting facts about the art that I might not now. On Greg's old site, I remember some cool threads such as the one where Norm Saunders son shared a lot of little known facts about Wacky Packages artwork. 

Like I said before, I feel like a large group of folks on this forum are all about collecting and not really into history anymore.

Glad you're going to keep on truckin', I enjoy this thread.
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: MadMike on August 27, 2021, 09:55:20 PM
Definitely looking forward to more wacky knowledge.
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: Swiski on August 31, 2021, 09:39:23 AM
Full color artwork was completed for this next lost Wacky, but was never officially released to my knowledge - Rotting Zone compared to Rolling Stone

(https://i.postimg.cc/cgwvMWHW/Rotting-Zone-sketch.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/cgwvMWHW)(https://i.postimg.cc/Cn4dX4k6/Rotting-Zone.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Cn4dX4k6)(https://i.postimg.cc/tYXsPLH0/Rolling-Stone.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/tYXsPLH0)
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: roughwriter on August 31, 2021, 10:45:02 AM
Hey, for what its worth, I read every entry, and I use these comparisons as a guide when I design new roughs. Especially because nostalgia is such a big part of the appeal of Wackys and staying true to form is key to really nailing a gag, I try hard to keep in line with all that has gone before. Without these reference materials, the task would be much harder. I rely on the material I gather from this site to put out the best drawings possible. If I haven't said it before, what you do is a huge help, and I appreciate it. - Pete
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: mikecho on August 31, 2021, 11:19:41 AM
Full color artwork was completed for this next lost Wacky, but was never officially released to my knowledge - Rotting Zone compared to Rolling Stone

(https://i.postimg.cc/cgwvMWHW/Rotting-Zone-sketch.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/cgwvMWHW)(https://i.postimg.cc/Cn4dX4k6/Rotting-Zone.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Cn4dX4k6)(https://i.postimg.cc/tYXsPLH0/Rolling-Stone.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/tYXsPLH0)
I'm still waiting for this one to be placed in a future 1970s OLDS series, thus finishing the planned Wacky Magazines releases once and for all.

Oh, Dave, are you out there and are you listening...
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: quas on August 31, 2021, 04:54:25 PM
I'm still waiting for this one to be placed in a future 1970s OLDS series, thus finishing the planned Wacky Magazines releases once and for all.

Oh, Dave, are you out there and are you listening...

I second the motion!
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: mikecho on August 31, 2021, 06:31:22 PM
I second the motion!
You got it! I was hoping you'd get it. I was hoping somebody here would get it.
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: roughwriter on September 01, 2021, 07:26:27 AM
We DO have a magazine design for OS 10 under consideration, but that set is 80s oriented, so Rotting Zone will have to wait until the series returns to the 70s, I guess.
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: mikecho on September 01, 2021, 08:26:36 AM
We DO have a magazine design for OS 10 under consideration, but that set is 80s oriented, so Rotting Zone will have to wait until the series returns to the 70s, I guess.
Oh good, at least Rotting Zone is under consideration for something! Thank you very much, roughwriter, that's all I ask!
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: MoldRush on September 02, 2021, 02:54:26 PM
Oh good, at least Rotting Zone is under consideration! Thank you very much, that's all I ask!
I know some of the lost Wackys were done in Flashback II I believe, but in hindsight it would have made more sense to do a larger subset encompassing all of them, so as not to leave collectors pining for the rest in these ensuing years.
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: mikecho on September 02, 2021, 04:46:00 PM
I know some of the lost Wackys were done in Flashback II I believe, but in hindsight it would have made more sense to do a larger subset encompassing all of them, so as not to leave collectors pining for the rest in these ensuing years.
Not just in Wacky Pack Flashback 2, but more were done in ANS1 before that as well. That's what started the whole thing about the lost 1992 series Wackys finally being released.

After Flashback 2, a few others have been released on an on-and-off basis, but so far never to the same extent as those two series. And there's still a lot more out there waiting to see the light of day officially. Some were finished and all ready to go before the series was cancelled; others were just roughs that never got beyond that point. To find out what they are, look up my post "Lost 1992 series Wackys that have been released and those that haven't been - yet." I'd also like to direct you to the Lost Wackys section of lostwackys.com, but I don't know how much of it is still operational ever since Rusty took ill. On my post, there's a reference to Fred Wheaton's article "Wacky Packages: The Lost 1992 Series," but it desperately needs to be updated in many places (I've given Fred all the updates it needs and so far they still haven't been included). There's also a reference to a web article about Drew Friedman on my post, who was the artist who did much of the artwork for the Wackys that Pat Piggott painted for that series.
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: Swiski on September 03, 2021, 05:29:51 AM
Next up is the unpublished Fool-Aid compared to Kool-Aid, along with vintage series 1 Kook-Aid

(https://i.postimg.cc/6yfrjmNK/Fool-Aid.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/6yfrjmNK)(https://i.postimg.cc/gxMvdLJB/Kool-Aid.png) (https://postimg.cc/gxMvdLJB)(https://i.postimg.cc/TyFg58nV/kookaid-white-front-small.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/TyFg58nV)

UPDATE: There was a mention that the Fool-Aid green was too dark on the more recent Topps sticker. I found a scan of the original Lost Wacky which has a brighter more accurate green. Duane Dimock's stickers were also this brighter green. Not sure sure why Topps printed the green so dark.

(https://i.postimg.cc/SYzZ50NL/bh1-Pa-Eu-Fo-Ytex-Nmmy-Pi-GJZv-H05gg-I-Xb-Cd-Krw-Hyap6-Rzl-Yg-Re-JUi-Vmcac8gv-L4s-L6-Kpi1z-Ml5l0-Gn-Z43y-Xn-Mjwzrox-Xr-C87fy-Dd.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/SYzZ50NL)
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: RawGoo on September 03, 2021, 05:34:25 AM
Next up is the unpublished Fool-Aid compared to Kool-Aid, along with vintage series 1 Kook-Aid

(https://i.postimg.cc/6yfrjmNK/Fool-Aid.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/6yfrjmNK)(https://i.postimg.cc/gxMvdLJB/Kool-Aid.png) (https://postimg.cc/gxMvdLJB)(https://i.postimg.cc/TyFg58nV/kookaid-white-front-small.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/TyFg58nV)

I love the Fool-Aid Wacky!
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: roughwriter on September 03, 2021, 07:17:55 AM
I drew a Stool-Aid gag once...Can't imagine why Topps turned it down!
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: MoldRush on September 03, 2021, 08:21:02 AM
Next up is the unpublished Fool-Aid compared to Kool-Aid, along with vintage series 1 Kook-Aid

(https://i.postimg.cc/6yfrjmNK/Fool-Aid.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/6yfrjmNK)(https://i.postimg.cc/gxMvdLJB/Kool-Aid.png) (https://postimg.cc/gxMvdLJB)(https://i.postimg.cc/TyFg58nV/kookaid-white-front-small.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/TyFg58nV)
Unlike most repeat spoofs of the same product, neither of these are clearly superior to the other.  I’ll always go with Kook-Aid for sentimental reasons, but Fool-Aid is just as good.  The only thing I would change is lightening the green shades a bit, somewhere closer to the packet shown.  The greens used are too dark, and make me think of pine trees rather than limes.
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: JasonLiebig on September 03, 2021, 11:04:42 AM
Unlike most repeat spoofs of the same product, neither of these are clearly superior to the other.  I’ll always go with Kook-Aid for sentimental reasons, but Fool-Aid is just as good.  The only thing I would change is lightening the green shades a bit, somewhere closer to the packet shown.  The greens used are too dark, and make me think of pine trees rather than limes.

Love this.

And I'm not saying that you were doing this, but I would caution anyone using images purloined online as a basis for authentic color representation of the original product.  It could well be that the Lemon-Lime Kool-Aid packet was actually darker than that jpeg appears, making the original unused art (as printed) closer to "package authentic".

Of course, it could also be that the Fool-Aid art has been degraded through the act of digital reproduction as well. 

I bring all of this up as, well, I'm perhaps the one person who is out here archiving and preserving old packaging and attempting to get the archival digital files color-true to the originals.  So, I'm gonna be a nerd when the conversation goes there. 
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: MoldRush on September 03, 2021, 03:27:02 PM
Love this.

And I'm not saying that you were doing this, but I would caution anyone using images purloined online as a basis for authentic color representation of the original product.  It could well be that the Lemon-Lime Kool-Aid packet was actually darker than that jpeg appears, making the original unused art (as printed) closer to "package authentic".

Of course, it could also be that the Fool-Aid art has been degraded through the act of digital reproduction as well. 

I bring all of this up as, well, I'm perhaps the one person who is out here archiving and preserving old packaging and attempting to get the archival digital files color-true to the originals.  So, I'm gonna be a nerd when the conversation goes there.

Jason - I totally get what you’re saying about the color accuracy issue, particularly for something this old, which itself could have faded or changed slightly from how it looked on supermarket shelves circa 1973.  I don’t think Kool-Aid even has a green packet anymore (think they just do a straight yellow lemon these days) for comparison.  But I do remember getting the same impression from Fool-Aid when I had examples in hand, from Flashbacks II if I remember correctly.  So there must be an issue with the master copy or whatever it’s called, that’s used to make production copies.  I’d be interested to compare with any bootlegs that were made (I think they had better tones), and even more the original painting, if its whereabouts are known.
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: Jean Nutty on September 04, 2021, 05:55:51 AM
Brief aside. I’ve never fully appreciated this jester character until I clicked a second time on your image. I often forget to click a second time. In your post, Fool Aid and Kool Aid are relatively large images, and a second click provides a close-up view. The Kook Aid is a smaller image and does not employ the second click feature. (I assume Postimage engages the second click function automatically when we have a large image that won’t fit completely on a screen)  I’m going to make this my laptop background for a while.   

(https://i.imgur.com/zv0OSly.jpg)
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: Swiski on September 05, 2021, 05:52:49 AM
Next up is Midget Rice compared to Minute Rice. Another great unpublished parody that should have been used!

This is the 4th piece of Lost Wacky artwork purchased years ago by Duane Dimock. The others were Buggies, Monsterettes and Fool Aid.

Here is a brief story: http://www.duanedimock.com/lostwackys.htm (http://www.duanedimock.com/lostwackys.htm)

Duane made a smart move and produced sticker versions of his parody artwork to sell. Probably paid for what he spent on the artwork.

When Topps reprinted Midget Rice years later, some color retouching was made. Look at the flesh tones on his face.

"SNOT GRAIN" was changed to "SHORT GRAIN" which actually makes more sense!

Unrelated, there were two famous brothers with the last name Rice who were "midgets"

Here is their story: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice_brothers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice_brothers)

(https://i.postimg.cc/R3XZDyND/Midget-Rice1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/R3XZDyND)(https://i.postimg.cc/8JYP1vdd/Midget-Rice2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/8JYP1vdd)(https://i.postimg.cc/xJVVgPP4/Minute-Rice1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xJVVgPP4)(https://i.postimg.cc/23wNFhL0/midget-Rice-Bros.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/23wNFhL0)
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: Swiski on September 05, 2021, 06:08:19 AM
Love this.

And I'm not saying that you were doing this, but I would caution anyone using images purloined online as a basis for authentic color representation of the original product.  It could well be that the Lemon-Lime Kool-Aid packet was actually darker than that jpeg appears, making the original unused art (as printed) closer to "package authentic".

Of course, it could also be that the Fool-Aid art has been degraded through the act of digital reproduction as well. 

I bring all of this up as, well, I'm perhaps the one person who is out here archiving and preserving old packaging and attempting to get the archival digital files color-true to the originals.  So, I'm gonna be a nerd when the conversation goes there.

I updated my original post to show the original Lost Wacky (Duane Dimock) Fool-Aid art that is more accurate and brighter.
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: NationalSpittoon on September 05, 2021, 06:31:11 AM
Next up is the unpublished Fool-Aid compared to Kool-Aid, along with vintage series 1 Kook-Aid

(https://i.postimg.cc/6yfrjmNK/Fool-Aid.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/6yfrjmNK)(https://i.postimg.cc/gxMvdLJB/Kool-Aid.png) (https://postimg.cc/gxMvdLJB)(https://i.postimg.cc/TyFg58nV/kookaid-white-front-small.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/TyFg58nV)

UPDATE: There was a mention that the Fool-Aid green was too dark on the more recent Topps sticker. I found a scan of the original Lost Wacky which has a brighter more accurate green. Duane Dimock's stickers were also this brighter green. Not sure sure why Topps printed the green so dark.

(https://i.postimg.cc/SYzZ50NL/bh1-Pa-Eu-Fo-Ytex-Nmmy-Pi-GJZv-H05gg-I-Xb-Cd-Krw-Hyap6-Rzl-Yg-Re-JUi-Vmcac8gv-L4s-L6-Kpi1z-Ml5l0-Gn-Z43y-Xn-Mjwzrox-Xr-C87fy-Dd.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/SYzZ50NL)

Fool Aid is one of my favorite of the "Lost Wackys". It fits suit well with the 12ths, it being my favorite set. I dare say that I prefer this to Kook Aid.

Also, this title would have been one of the double prints in the set if I remember correctly.

I wonder who has the original art for this one, and what their selling price is...
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: Fanatical_and_Sickly on September 05, 2021, 07:25:32 AM
Brief aside. I’ve never fully appreciated this jester character until I clicked a second time on your image. I often forget to click a second time. In your post, Fool Aid and Kool Aid are relatively large images, and a second click provides a close-up view. The Kook Aid is a smaller image and does not employ the second click feature. (I assume Postimage engages the second click function automatically when we have a large image that won’t fit completely on a screen)  I’m going to make this my laptop background for a while.   
thanks for the enlarged image.
While I mostly like the Fool-Aid gag, it just never quite clicked for me. And with that blow-up you can really get a close up of those awful ice cubes, which is my major problem with this one.
The cubes seem like an after-thought to the painting, added on by someone else, believing it would be 'funny' to have a cube falling on the jester's head. And the cubes that are floating on air that are inside the pitcher, instead of submerged within the water, are just terrible. Kook-Aid did the ice right and is a sharp painting. Fool-Aid is really sub-par in execution.
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: ToadallyDude on September 05, 2021, 07:27:12 PM
Quote
I wonder who has the original art for this one, and what their selling price is...

Duane use to have the art to Fool-Aid, and I would have liked to buy it as well.  But it was just always referred to as "not for sale".  And that usually meant there was no trade or offer that would work.  But that's a lot of years ago.  And my waning brain seems to remember that it finally jumped ship at some point.  I had predicted all the art would be in one place by now.  But I know much of it still isn't.  Although, the best titles are.  I still can't believe that BumChex and Shotwheels were unearthed literally a couple miles from where I lived at the time.  I'd sure like to know if every 1-16 piece has finally been accounted for now.  When I got out, there was still at least 100 pieces I didn't know the definite location of.
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: Swiski on September 08, 2021, 06:03:18 PM
Another Lost Wacky that was printed for the first time in the 1980 reprint set. It made another appearance later on in Flashback.
Brrr Frosted Ice Krunkles compared to Post Frosted Rice Krinkles

(https://i.postimg.cc/DWjgVShT/def030ae7fb1f3fa97fa33a3d15a8c1e.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/DWjgVShT)(https://i.postimg.cc/ygDT776S/Ice-Krunkles.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ygDT776S)(https://i.postimg.cc/zHWSRpgz/Rice-Krinkles.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/zHWSRpgz)
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: MadMike on September 09, 2021, 12:18:19 AM
I wonder why it was put into that set. I wouldn’t be asking if there were other lost wackys that were selected for the set also. Just seems weird that there is only one that is not a reprint.
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: RawGoo on September 09, 2021, 04:28:31 AM
I wonder why it was put into that set. I wouldn’t be asking if there were other lost wackys that were selected for the set also. Just seems weird that there is only one that is not a reprint.

I wonder that myself  :-\
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: mikecho on September 09, 2021, 07:03:55 AM
I wonder that myself  :-\
I know what you mean; I just thought of something myself: if Topps could do one out of three lost Wackys from the 12th Series, why couldn't they have done the other two and finished the job instead of waiting a few decades and well into the next century to do it?
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: roughwriter on September 09, 2021, 12:28:20 PM
The short answer is that there is no institutional memory. They have a very steady turnover at Topps, and "Continuity" has never been a high priority. I would be surprised if most of the staff even had any idea about this issue. Most were probably born after the artwork was painted, and it isn't even on their radar. To them, it is "ancient history".
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: RawGoo on September 09, 2021, 12:36:06 PM
The short answer is that there is no institutional memory. They have a very steady turnover at Topps, and "Continuity" has never been a high priority. I would be surprised if most of the staff even had any idea about this issue. Most were probably born after the artwork was painted, and it isn't even on their radar. To them, it is "ancient history".

At work we call things like this "institutional knowledge."  It can vanish very quickly!
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: JasonLiebig on September 10, 2021, 04:43:47 PM
At work we call things like this "institutional knowledge."  It can vanish very quickly!

Topps actually does pretty well in a lot of cases, since they're somewhat of a publisher, but boy you should see how most consumer product companies do on this front. Badly.

In my expertise of food and candy and so forth, institutional knowledge is non-existent. I recently debunked the internet's widely spread assertion of when Skittles first came to market, and even the Mars website was wrong on this. For the record, dates varied on the history, but the earliest anyone (including Mars) had was 1974. It was 1971. 

And look at the story around Flamin' Hot Cheetos origins. An employee has apparently been taking credit for their invention the last dozen years (they came out in 1990-91) and someone finally did an investigation into it and found his claims lacking and likely not terribly valid.  And that's just from 1990 - that's how quick things drop off the map.  It is, most days, still shocking to me.
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: MoldRush on September 10, 2021, 05:59:40 PM
Topps actually does pretty well in a lot of cases, since they're somewhat of a publisher, but boy you should see how most consumer product companies do on this front. Badly.

In my expertise of food and candy and so forth, institutional knowledge is non-existent. I recently debunked the internet's widely spread assertion of when Skittles first came to market, and even the Mars website was wrong on this. For the record, dates varied on the history, but the earliest anyone (including Mars) had was 1974. It was 1971. 

And look at the story around Flamin' Hot Cheetos origins. An employee has apparently been taking credit for their invention the last dozen years (they came out in 1990-91) and someone finally did an investigation into it and found his claims lacking and likely not terribly valid.  And that's just from 1990 - that's how quick things drop off the map.  It is, most days, still shocking to me.
I’m a bit of a true crime buff, and I consistently find that when I first read a book on a case I already know a lot about, the writers get so much of the basic information wrong - dates, locations, crime scene details and such.  The margin of error is never that great, but how hard is it to do some basic fact-checking once you’ve made the commitment to writing a 300-page book?  Just kind of cheapens the reading experience.  If they couldn’t be bothered to confirm easily verifiable information, how can you trust the accuracy of the rest of their story?
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: Swiski on September 14, 2021, 10:19:38 AM
Next Lost Wacky is The Clodfather compared to The Godfather novelization. I searched everywhere to find this particular printing of the book with tilted yellow lettering on the cover. Maybe the artwork was completed at a later time and inspired by the Godfather Part II movie poster?

(https://i.postimg.cc/21xwXfMX/The-Clodfather.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/21xwXfMX)(https://i.postimg.cc/ZBWxRvR1/s-l1600.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ZBWxRvR1)(https://i.postimg.cc/23BxNWgW/the-godfather-part-ii-godfather-part-2-vintage-movie-poster-original-1-sheet-27x41.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/23BxNWgW)
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: ToadallyDude on September 14, 2021, 10:35:25 PM
Next Lost Wacky is The Clodfather compared to The Godfather novelization. I searched everywhere to find this particular printing of the book with tilted yellow lettering on the cover. Maybe the artwork was completed at a later time and inspired by the Godfather Part II movie poster?

(https://i.postimg.cc/21xwXfMX/The-Clodfather.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/21xwXfMX)(https://i.postimg.cc/ZBWxRvR1/s-l1600.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ZBWxRvR1)(https://i.postimg.cc/23BxNWgW/the-godfather-part-ii-godfather-part-2-vintage-movie-poster-original-1-sheet-27x41.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/23BxNWgW)

Oh man... I miss that one.  It was the only black piece I ever had.  Always thought it would look really cool next to Famous Mobsters.  But that was definitely wasn't available.  Gums would make a nice companion piece too.
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: Swiski on September 18, 2021, 07:56:06 AM
This next Lost Wacky was believed to be a reject from the 16th series, but used later in the 1985 series - Dr. Schnozz's Snoot Powder compared to Dr. Scholl's Foot Powder.

(https://i.postimg.cc/njDgHPnj/dr-schnozz-s-snoot-powder.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/njDgHPnj)(https://i.postimg.cc/n9f5MGLd/dr-scholl-s-foot-powder.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/n9f5MGLd)
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: Swiski on September 24, 2021, 07:27:18 PM
Here's a great Lost Wacky that was sadly never printed in any official Topps sets (at least not to my knowledge) - Fanatik compared to Fantastik

(https://i.postimg.cc/0ryjWTqC/Fanatic.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0ryjWTqC)(https://i.postimg.cc/t7vTLBqG/Fantastik.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/t7vTLBqG)
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: MoldRush on September 24, 2021, 07:34:33 PM
Here's a great Lost Wacky that was sadly never printed in any official Topps sets (at least not to my knowledge) - Fanatik compared to Fantastik

(https://i.postimg.cc/0ryjWTqC/Fanatic.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0ryjWTqC)(https://i.postimg.cc/t7vTLBqG/Fantastik.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/t7vTLBqG)
It’s a shame that really nice artwork like this never got published while some comparatively mediocre lost Wackys were issued.  Fantastik was a household mainstay growing up, so that familiarity increases my appreciation of the parody.  Most importantly, it looks like a Saunders piece.
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: RawGoo on September 24, 2021, 11:24:00 PM
Fanatik is my favorite of the Lost titles.  I so wish that had been issued when I was a kid - I would have gotten great laughs from my grandmother.  She was such a cleaning nut that she could very well have been the origin of the term "Grandma Clean"   :] :]
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: Swiski on September 25, 2021, 02:51:56 AM
Fanatik is my favorite of the Lost titles.  I so wish that had been issued when I was a kid - I would have gotten great laughs from my grandmother.  She was such a cleaning nut that she could very well have been the origin of the term "Grandma Clean"   :] :]

Thanks for the story! "Grandma Clean" should be used as a chemical name in household cleaners - Ajax....Now with Gramacline!"
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: Swiski on September 28, 2021, 05:17:06 AM
This next Lost Wacky was never officially used by Topps in any of their sets. The joke is medicore, so I understand why it was rejected at the time.

Irvings compared to Ivory soap

(https://i.postimg.cc/2LWwVpr3/Irvings.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/2LWwVpr3)(https://i.postimg.cc/jCnv8fPK/Ivory-soap.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jCnv8fPK)
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: Swiski on October 03, 2021, 07:35:15 PM
This next Lost Wacky was meant to be used in the 8th Series, but the parody found a second life later in the Wacky Posters set! Toadal compared to Total cereal.

So was finished artwork completed for the sticker version? The artwork for the poster is a newer illustration in higher detail and stretched just like the other titles.

I found an image of the Toadal from the unofficial Lost Wackys set, but it have been photoshopped using the poster art. Anyone have an image of the original unused Toadal artwork from the 8th Series, if it even exists?

(https://i.postimg.cc/c60KZn33/5a-toadal-large.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/c60KZn33)(https://i.postimg.cc/vDh4mZ7N/l7-Ch-Gjt-IJk-V5-Yr-Hyg-AMGvwpgn-P6i-UTDlde-Nzt6-Uopqwh-Wiu-be-Qsu-Ykk-Sc-Ym-V6j-D0-EGpdovvb-J2w-M79psj-Tw-Ppm-g-OKc-Pv-UBRa-B.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/vDh4mZ7N)(https://i.postimg.cc/kB5BRPfX/Total.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/kB5BRPfX)
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: Fanatical_and_Sickly on October 03, 2021, 08:19:02 PM
This next Lost Wacky was meant to be used in the 8th Series, but the parody found a second life later in the Wacky Posters set! Toadal compared to Total cereal.

So was finished artwork completed for the sticker version? The artwork for the poster is a newer illustration in higher detail and stretched just like the other titles.

I found an image of the Toadal from the unofficial Lost Wackys set, but it have been photoshopped using the poster art. Anyone have an image of the original unused Toadal artwork from the 8th Series, if it even exists?
interesting thoughts.

My take is that the poster art was completed before the 8th series and released with the 1973 wrapper. Then all the GM cereals and images got stripped out by the C&D in early 1974. Very likely before a version was ever painted for the card set, which would have been its second life.
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: MadMike on October 03, 2021, 08:50:24 PM
I think the line on Fanatik where it says “It even cleans soap” is one of the best lines ever.
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: RawGoo on October 03, 2021, 09:19:35 PM
I think the line on Fanatik where it says “It even cleans soap” is one of the best lines ever.

I just LOVE that line!!
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: Fanatical_and_Sickly on October 04, 2021, 06:29:31 AM
I think the line on Fanatik where it says “It even cleans soap” is one of the best lines ever.
Concur.
A great line, for sure!
Would have made for another great cleaning product

Interesting that both Fanatik and Janitor are Texize products, and both unreleased
Title: Re: Parody Comparison to the Real Products - Part 2!
Post by: mikecho on October 04, 2021, 08:00:53 AM
This next Lost Wacky was meant to be used in the 8th Series, but the parody found a second life later in the Wacky Posters set! Toadal compared to Total cereal.

So was finished artwork completed for the sticker version? The artwork for the poster is a newer illustration in higher detail and stretched just like the other titles.

I found an image of the Toadal from the unofficial Lost Wackys set, but it has been photoshopped using the poster art. Anyone have an image of the original unused Toadal artwork from the 8th Series, if it even exists?

(https://i.postimg.cc/c60KZn33/5a-toadal-large.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/c60KZn33)(https://i.postimg.cc/vDh4mZ7N/l7-Ch-Gjt-IJk-V5-Yr-Hyg-AMGvwpgn-P6i-UTDlde-Nzt6-Uopqwh-Wiu-be-Qsu-Ykk-Sc-Ym-V6j-D0-EGpdovvb-J2w-M79psj-Tw-Ppm-g-OKc-Pv-UBRa-B.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/vDh4mZ7N)(https://i.postimg.cc/kB5BRPfX/Total.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/kB5BRPfX)
I was always under the impression that the Toadal poster came first, then it was planned for the 8th Series. Am I right or wrong here?