I am going through my Wacky stuff and came across some unopened Lost Wackys packs. There's two green packs that say "Old Adjusted Titles," a blue pack and a red pack that say "Brand New Series" and a yellow pack and a purple pack that both say "Old Forbidden Titles." They all have Porkie and Clodfather on the front. What's in these? Do the different colored packs mean a different set? These were from so long ago and I can't remember. I think I opened a green pack, but don't know where it is. I have so much stuff! Still can't find my 1st series sets and my full poster box.Just throw them on ebay, matt's been making thousands of $ on this crap!
I am going through my Wacky stuff and came across some unopened Lost Wackys packs. There's two green packs that say "Old Adjusted Titles," a blue pack and a red pack that say "Brand New Series" and a yellow pack and a purple pack that both say "Old Forbidden Titles." They all have Porkie and Clodfather on the front. What's in these? Do the different colored packs mean a different set? These were from so long ago and I can't remember. I think I opened a green pack, but don't know where it is. I have so much stuff! Still can't find my 1st series sets and my full poster box.
Lost Series 1
Lost Gum (pink) – bonus
Lost Gum (yellow) - bonus
Bonuses provided w/replacements
Lost Gum (green)
Are you sure there's a distinct Lost Gum (yellow) and Lost Gum (green)? I've got what I call yellow but it's really yellow-green.
Wow, I just looked at eBay and Matt Stock is putting out some complete and utter nonsense with "alternate puzzles" and "1st cereal subset". I mean, if you want freshly printed stuff, sure, knock yourself out. The lists and details I provided for the Master Spreadsheet are what actually came out at the time.
When you really think about it, why is stuff printed in 2005 any more or less desirable than stuff printed in 2011 or 2018?
You make a fair point, it's all bootleg material after all. But I feel like there's a blanket of dishonesty around the current eBay listings. If it was just presented as "Lost Wackys return!" or something, I wouldn't have a problem with that. Either way, if it's worth hundreds of dollars to you, it's your choice...
Wow, I just looked at eBay and Matt Stock is putting out some complete and utter nonsense with "alternate puzzles" and "1st cereal subset". I mean, if you want freshly printed stuff, sure, knock yourself out. The lists and details I provided for the Master Spreadsheet are what actually came out at the time.In some auctions, matt makes definitive statements on numbers produced and rarity then in other auctions, he uses terms like "this appears to be". It is all salesmenship to create the perception of substance, intrigue and rarity to this abortion of a project that could only be botched as badly as it was by the clowns who ran with this. I smile every day knowing that Duane sabotaged it like he did and I am sure matt is smiling every day as he is cashing in on the "variations", "alternates" and such. This is like 1981 donruss and fleer baseball cards to me. Regardless of the above, he is capitalizing on this versus throwing all this stuff away. More power to him.
No, I posted what I had noted myself based upon auctions, and then Mike asked for changes. My intent was to provide a basic list, not to certify anything.Sorry about that, Pat. My additions and corrections were all taken from the Spreadsheet itself, and the two are practically identical. If you'll look at my post from the 19th, there's just two more that you need to put in and that's it. Other than that, your list is fine and dandy. If there isn't a Lost Gum (green), then I'm wrong.
LOL
the hilarity continues
LOST WACKY PACKAGES BOX STICKERS 1st SERIES Puzzle Checklist Complete Set 9/9
eBay auction: #322983676972
LOL
the hilarity continues
LOST WACKY PACKAGES BOX STICKERS 1st SERIES Puzzle Checklist Complete Set 9/9
eBay auction: #322983676972
I don't believe that Topps would - or should - care, either. This nonsense, though - in particular this latest puzzle and so-called "checklist" - is undermining the integrity of WP as a whole. (Not that Topps hasn't been doing a good of this themselves the past few years.)
Why would Topps care about display box stickers? It's not competing with anything they're doing and it promotes their brand.
I just thought that if Topps cared so much about the Halloween "Packs of Fun" (which were only being offered on the forum) that they quashed it, that something that actually says "Wackys" with puzzles and checklists being sold on ebay might bother them.
When I said this I misunderstood what it was. I do understand why Topps would be upset with the whole Lost Wackys thing.I believe ‘LOST’ is only in the auction title, to lure in similar buyers.
Another Player in the Lost Wacky Hunt......and selling individually??
....and a nice SCAN of each .(Hint Hint)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2011-LOST-WACKY-PACKAGES-3RD-SERIES-STILL-LOST-PINK-GUM-SUPER-RARE/322985821139?
Now we get the numbered, gold cards.Don't give him any Ideas
Man, this stuff just gets better and better!! LOLOLOL
eBay auction: #222793789441
it's only a matter of time before we get Wardrobe Relic cards containing cloth snippets of the green, blue or ultra-rare pink panties of the Ovary Show girl.
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I want to know if Matt get's BULK printing discounts and is the Wardrobe cards of the Ovary Show will be scratch and Sniff ?
Lost Wacky's Series 1, 2 and 3 Scans - I hope this helps and the ZIP file is accessible for all, follow drop box link. If you can not get it, please PM me
Richard
https://www.dropbox.com/s/r4wdhkugryz1938/Lost%20Wacky%20Scans.zip?dl=0
I want to know if Matt get's BULK printing discounts...?
Added note: Rabid Shaver, you can be the first to test out the "Ovary Show" scratch and sniff. I wouldn't want to take that privilege away from you. Undoubtedly this must be the oldest of the Lost Wackys.
.....smells like:
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Lost Wacky's Series 1, 2 and 3 Scans - I hope this helps and the ZIP file is accessible for all, follow drop box link. If you can not get it, please PM me
Incredibly helpful, thanks! Looking through 'series 3' you can tell it's garbage time, whatever crap they had to put in there aside from a few I really like such as "Juju Bats".
Well, there's a sucker born every minute...
Thanks for the update! Inquiring minds need to know!The line actually is "Inquiring minds want to know." Just sayin'.
The line actually is "Inquiring minds want to know." Just sayin'.
Lost Wacky's Series 1, 2 and 3 Scans - I hope this helps and the ZIP file is accessible for all, follow drop box link. If you can not get it, please PM me
Richard
https://www.dropbox.com/s/r4wdhkugryz1938/Lost%20Wacky%20Scans.zip?dl=0
and the good times keep on rolling - here comes the silvers.
kind of shocked there are only 5 of each, should have been 10 or 25.
really, just printing money at this point, as that high bidder on all of the cards doesn't seem to have an upper limit to what they're willing to pay.
eBay auction: #323006750718
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It's astounding that anyone would care about these.
and the good times keep on rolling - here comes the silvers.
kind of shocked there are only 5 of each, should have been 10 or 25.
really, just printing money at this point, as that high bidder on all of the cards doesn't seem to have an upper limit to what they're willing to pay.
eBay auction: #323006750718
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I can't believe they called those silvers and not foils. That background looks like used aluminum foil!
lets all be honest. We are not mad at Matt for selling Lost Wackys and producing as many as he wants. We are mad because we did not think of it ourselves >:D
I invested in an extra set of the first 5 packs, and now they might not even be worth what I paid for them. That does tick me off. Anyone here know how to print boxes? Maybe we can use mine as a template and start selling those >:D
Finally! What I've been waiting for my entire life! The gods have finally acknowledged me and answered my prayers! Praises be!No doubt.
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So tempting to open, but I know I shouldn't.
Well, I opened them. Since they were free, I figured it wasn't really a loss. I have a full LW3 set now, but two incomplete puzzles.
Incomplete puzzles? That did not used to be the case with LW1 and LW2. What titles?
4/9 Buck Tales, 5/9 McSnoremick. Direct correlation of pieces. (If the Buck Tales pieces were replaced by pieces for McSnoremick in the same spot, then I'd have a full McSnoremick puzzle.)
I find that incredible and insulting at the same time.
These have been proven to be "non-official" and someone is printing
them, using artists' work, to pass them off as real, and then they
have the nerve to "short" you a piece or two, so you feel required
to buy more packs to complete your "non-official" set.
Maybe it's just me....
Of course, my parents aren't too jazzed with Ovary Show, but at least it is censored.
I might be one of the only ones on the forum who has opened one, as it sounds, eh?
I find that incredible and insulting at the same time.
These have been proven to be "non-official" and someone is printing
them, using artists' work, to pass them off as real, and then they
have the nerve to "short" you a piece or two, so you feel required
to buy more packs to complete your "non-official" set.
Maybe it's just me....
I'm assuming he met you at Allentown, and knows you are a minor. In that case, he should NOT have sent you Ovary Show, even censored.
So, what other titles and puzzle pieces were in each orange and green LW packs?
Yes, I met him at Allentown. Ovary was in a pack of course, but I guess everyone is assuming that he's producing them, so he could let it out for me? Doubt it.
The normal thirty cards were among the two packs. Should have check which, but too late. Also had two stickers with gum that was "Still Lost". If you want me to post pics, I'll try my best. My scanner is kinda being an issue right now, so I'd have to take pictures with my cell phone if that's fine.
I was just curious whether you found the nine mismatched puzzle pieces in the same pack, or whether there were a few in each pack.I got the five McSnoremick pieces in one pack, and the four Buck Tales in the other.
Because there is one person that is determined to win one of every title, regardless of cost, of both the golds and silvers.
Because there is one person that is determined to win one of every title, regardless of cost, of both the golds and silvers.
And so far they have.
The other collectors that want to win one, any one, just keep pushing the bids higher and higher, but always lose.
About $23K spent so far, and there are still a few more titles to go for complete sets of both.
Round 2 should go for a lot less.
I can see one person putting in a crazy bid; but for someone else to also agree to push the auction with the risk of having to drop 700 on a card is pretty bizarre.
Another weird Lost Wacky situation. I guess we need to expect the atypical with these cards.
Well, I opened them. Since they were free, I figured it wasn't really a loss. I have a full LW3 set now, but two incomplete puzzles.
I've been trying to understand what the big appeal is over "Lost Wacky" Series 3 and I really don't get it. For the most part, the gags and art have been getting progressively inferior since series 1. And based on the ridiculous ebay sales, we'll undoubtedly see a Series 4 (and probably more). The question now, is how many more people are going to get lured into "collecting them all". Remember folks, they're "lost" for a reason.
Your cancelled Halloween wackies from last fall will undoubtedly be treasured Lost Wackys if you are ever allowed to show them to us ;)
Almost true. They may be "lost" but they're not wackys.
But why?'cause they're psycho. and rich. So, eccentric, I guess. 8)
About $23K spent so far
It's a total sham. He's running up his own auctions. Probably hasn't sold a thing.welcome back...
It's a total sham. He's running up his own auctions. Probably hasn't sold a thing.
and now.... ta-da! 1 of 1 Diamond cards!! eBay auction: #222858076070
will these top $1K?
and now.... ta-da! 1 of 1 Diamond cards!! eBay auction: #222858076070
will these top $1K?
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and now.... ta-da! 1 of 1 Diamond cards!! eBay auction: #222858076070
will these top $1K?
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Just shaking my head while I am picturing these guys sitting at a table, brainstorming on what sticker to do next. The Diamond one, I bet they were all high giving themselves over that one.
The image of the Wacky Truck appears to be my truck. Between the fact that it's a Garbage Can-dy version and it looks like they even attempted to repair the one torn corner of the cardboard backer. Hey, where are my royalties!?!?!? ;DLOL . I was wondering if that was yours.
I have no interest in any of the lost wackys stuff, but the box stickers are cool.LOL. Now you’re going to be hooked. Go for the gold set!
LOL. Now you’re going to be hooked. Go for the gold set!
LOL . I was wondering if that was yours.Actually, so was I...and now, I'm thinkin' maybe not. I really thought mine had that corner damage, but I just checked and it does not. Hmmmm. Mine also has a price sticker on the upper right, but I'm certain there's some Photoshop clean up been done here, regardless. C'est la vie. Maybe they're off the hook on my royalties. hehehe
Hopefully someday the art will see the light of day.
So the latest listing for the uncut sheet of lost wacky boxes has the Topps logo on the boxes. Isn't that an infringement of copyright?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/323115138806
It will be fun trying to spot which boxes are mine!
I was thinking the same thing! Last year, Greg asked me for high-resolution scans of my Wacky Ads 5 cent box. He had alluded to the possibility of doing an upgraded WP box poster, but after seeing these, I have a feeling that the scans may be used for something else!
I was thinking the same thing! Last year, Greg asked me for high-resolution scans of my Wacky Ads 5 cent box. He had alluded to the possibility of doing an upgraded WP box poster, but after seeing these, I have a feeling that the scans may be used for something else!
Do you get royalties? :-[
and now.... ta-da! 1 of 1 Diamond cards!! eBay auction: #222858076070
will these top $1K?
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Damn! $1326. Insanity
Yes!
Damn! $1326. Insanity
Damn! $1326. Insanity
Do you think the buyer of these understands what they are?
I saw that auction. That is insane. Paying over 1300 bucks for something that was just made, and not by Tops is crazy. Just think of all of the very cool Original series stuff you could have purchased with that cash. Wow.
Rawgoo.... You mean I can print money too!!??
Haaaaaaahahahahahahahahha
#StayWacky
Damn! $1326. Insanity
Damn! $1326. Insanity
Does anyone recognize who is buying these homemade cards?
OK, I confess! It was me. ;D I was dazzled by the sparkly colors...
OK, I confess! It was me. ;D I was dazzled by the sparkly colors...
LOLOL. a bonus card for the cancelled WP-Star Wars set. the bar just keeps going lower and lower with these things.
I can only hope we'll eventually get to see an image for "crumpled WP wrapper in parking lot outside a convenience store, circa '73"
I can only hope we'll eventually get to see an image for "crumpled WP wrapper in parking lot outside a convenience store, circa '73"
The irony is I have much more interest in a wacky release featuring display boxes, wrappers or that NY Magazine cover than the majority of the regular wacky releases we've seen lately.
I gotta admit that I saw this one and just chuckled.it's not even in the Lost Wacky set, which is funny.
It IS a "Lost Wacky" of sorts.
Ha! Here's my nomination for trivial minutiae. I could be on the LW Board of Directors
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Ha! Here's my nomination for trivial minutiae. I could be on the LW Board of Directors
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Is someone going to take a photo of Norm's headstone, throw a thick border around it and call IT a "Lost Wacky"?
obverse pulled from a currently listed auction for a Postcards 7 sketch card.
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Don’t some of you think char boy's primary motivation for these "series" is a prank on the Wacky Packages collector community?
Who else would find the colored panties variations of Ovary Snow (and other silly crazy stuff), ridiculously preposterous and absurd except us?
I assume these guys read these threads, laughing over a drink and a smoke, and find the reactions funny (albeit in a troll-like way).
Don’t some of you think char boy's primary motivation for these "series" is a prank on the Wacky Packages collector community?No. Like slamjim says, it's for the money.
I assume these guys read these threadsI'm certain your assumption is quite incorrect. I don't believe either of them ever come here.
Don’t some of you think char boy's primary motivation for these "series" is a prank on the Wacky Packages collector community?
Who else would find the colored panties variations of Ovary Snow (and other silly crazy stuff), ridiculously preposterous and absurd except us?
I assume these guys read these threads, laughing over a drink and a smoke, and find the reactions funny (albeit in a troll-like way).
If they are laughing it's to the bank over knuckleheads buying forged and stolen art. I'd think the primary motivation is making money otherwise you can prank people just by posting them here. It looks like Ebay or Topps may have shut them down. I don't see anything on Ebay unless they are printing up more for a second go at it and this is just a break. Also, there is just active lying involved in the auctions. Greg has new stuff up now and it says "I got this at the Philly Non-Sport Show". No, you made the cards. There is a big difference.Greg, Matt and others selling the LWS3 are only in it for the Money. Matt is one of those people that believes that the only way he can "win" is if someone else loses. He is a bully. I always thought that Greg was a smart guy and would put himself above this stuff, I was obviously wrong. He has partnered with Matt in this dishonest scheme. Not only are they lying about the "lost" nature of these cards, they are also using stolen and manipulated art. Norm Saunders did the art for Ovary Show and I can promise you they never got permission from David or Zina to release it as a card or sticker. The parody was meant for Greg's eyes only. I'm sure if Norm were alive today he would be embarrassed by it being public.
There's a seller on eBay that, over the past year, has listed cookie jars, but has affixed vintage bubblegum graphics to them, in most cases using scans I had posted to my Flickr years ago (so I take it personally), and adding post-processing digital wear-and-tear to the scans. And they're scamming people, plain and simple. They carefully dance around within their descriptions, using the word vintage to describe the graphics, while never technically calling the jar itself a vintage item. The implication is clear, but the language leaves an out - and if you specifically ASK, they'll tell you they are new. So, legally, they are sort of covered. But its disingenuous and the goal is profit-by-deception. At the prices they charge, they are intentionally hoping to find someone who misunderstands the nature of what it is that they're selling - believing they are plopping down hard cash for a candy jar from the 50's or 60's, but getting something created last month. So, rather than try to create what should be a clear and honest exchange of goods, the sellers are hedging that the other party reads their carefully-worded (and structured to mislead) description and makes the leap to believe the piece isn't what it is.
I remember seeing a case on Judge Judy about a woman selling photos of iPhones on eBay. She says that her add said it was a photo, but Judge Judy was having none of it. Maybe we need to sick Ms. Sheindlin on the Lost Wacky sellers or the seller who keeps selling photos of boxes.
https://www.snotr.com/video/739/eBay_scammer_on_Judge_Judy
Does anyone buying a card with a box on it actually think they are getting the box though????
Here is a new seller, only 23 feedback rating selling lost wacky stuff. Does anyone know who is this seller?
Here is a new seller, only 23 feedback rating selling lost wacky stuff. Does anyone know who is this seller?
Check out this from the www.wackypackages.org site. It's a review of the last Philly show.
Go to their home page, and click on the "Read Our Review Here".
Or, click this link: http://www.wackypackages.org/phillyshow_4.7.18_review.html (http://www.wackypackages.org/phillyshow_4.7.18_review.html)
The last paragraph is interesting.
Check out this from the www.wackypackages.org site. It's a review of the last Philly show.
Go to their home page, and click on the "Read Our Review Here".
Or, click this link: http://www.wackypackages.org/phillyshow_4.7.18_review.html (http://www.wackypackages.org/phillyshow_4.7.18_review.html)
The last paragraph is interesting.
On a side note, Topps called me last week about these Ebay auctions. They wanted to know if anything was my art and they were not happy so someone tipped them off. I assume they asked Matt or got Ebay to shut down his Lost Wacky auctions.
Let's face it, they are what they are -- artists renderings that were never used, being printed up, non-commercially, by someone who doesn't own rights to any of it. I would compare it to taking photos of clips of movies that were left on the cutting room floor and printing up your own copies to sell at exorbitant prices by falsely claiming what they are.
What are the false claims?
What are the false claims?
Probably the biggest false claim is to call them "Wacky Packages," since Topps most certainly owns the copyright on that name. If Topps didn't produce it and didn't give them permission to sell them using that name, then that's a false claim.
If I started making adhesive bandages and sold them as "Band aids," which is what they are commonly called, but is a copyrighted brand name, then I'm falsely advertising my product. If you've ever listened closely to the old commercial: "I am stuck on Band Aid Brand cause Band Aids' stuck on me." They clearly let you know that it's their brand. Everyone else sells adhesive bandages and is careful not to call them band aids.
Some of the "lost binders" actually have "Topps" in the description.
"2005 TOPPS LOST WACKY PACKAGES 1ST SERIES OFFICIAL BINDER BRAND NEW"
Is that a false claim?
Jim
Yes, that is a false claim.
Exactly like the original lost wackys. As for “falsely claiming what they are,” I’ve honestly never read these auction descriptions. What are the false claims?
Having artists work sketches on the backs of checklists itself is a really cool idea, and selling as ACEO's or PSC's would be fine.
I think they borrowed that idea from the classic binder sketches we did a few years ago.
Thanks for the info Caleb. As a matter of fact, I don’t know any of what’s going on here, because I don’t give a shit about lost wackys and have never looked at one of these auctions. Hard as it may be for you to believe, I have only a casual relationship with Greg or Matt. I talk to Greg a couple of times a year or when he comes to shows. Not sure why you’re determined to make me a part of the evil empire, but I’m going back to the aspects of the hobby which interest me now.
" I’ve honestly never read these auction descriptions. What are the false claims?"I waved this flag for years in the hobby but watching the fraudsters continue their ways with people sheepishly defending them grew tiresome. At least some people finally confided with me that they didn't want to piss away their free room and board and attending the parties that he offered during shows so no way were they going to challenge his behavior. At the end of the day, collectors are most/only interested in themselves and not "the hobby". It is only natural.
"How do you know Greg has shilled these auctions? If true that would bother me much more than the sales themselves."
"Is his behavior in this situation any more or less criminal than the original printing and distribution of the Lost Wackys?"
Dave,
I'm not trying to make you part of anything. You seem to participate in this discussion just enough to imply there is noting wrong with what they are doing. You keep asking questions so I keep answering them. If you are not interested in the answers stop asking questions. I don't give shit about lost wackys either but I do give a shit about right and wrong. I also give a shit about this hobby and the people in it. I'm not one to look the other direction especially when people are being deceived and lied to.I don't think that there is anything else for me to point out to you or anyone else. The scam has been exposed and that was the point of my participation in the LWS3 threads. I'm glad other people here have taken this seriously and it appears that Topps has gotten involved too.
I see there is a new "boxes" set with unopenned packs. I wonder if these are "mysteriously" packs? I also see that Ebay was added a place to write a review on the auctions. It does not appear you have to have been a buyer. That ought to be interesting.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-LOST-WACKY-PACKAGES-BOX-STICKERS-4th-Series-Sealed-Complete-Set-Puzzle/263612873151?hash=item3d608d39bf:g:MRAAAOSwDfxa1TsW
I don't get how the seller can use the word "Lost". What about this auction product was ever "lost"?
Lost wackys have sold well, so this is “lost.” Really, what does it matter, since any potential buyer with a double digit IQ would have to realize these are not lost wackys. I think the box stickers are very cool, but selling them this way does them a disservice.
I think Kelly Anne Conway has a double digit IQNot so sure about that one.
Not so sure about that one.
So your thinking single digits. ;)
Side note: What card was ever unique by design (being designated "1 of 1," no less)? I doubt if even Topps would do this.
I'll bet she would remember Wackys, being about the right age.
There's nothing "lost" about these pictures of boxes. They're simply being sold under the Lost Wacky banner.
Topps Chrome sets have "Superfractors" that are 1 of 1 for each base title in the set.
Greg is actually selling them on his own page with no “lost” reference.
http://www.wackypacks.com/forsale/front.html
If anyone hasn't seen the site's LW3 page, it's interesting reading:Interesting read or a pile of horseshit in terms of the mysteriousness of it?
http://www.wackypackages.org/unpublished/LW3.html
Interesting read or a pile of horseshit in terms of the mysteriousness of it?
Not an endorsement, just addind to the evolving history of this... Matt Stock posted today on the "EvoMasher's Wacky Packages Marketplace" Facebook page, that the Wackypackages.org store is now open again. They are selling the same Lost Wacky Series 3 sets previously seen on eBay at:
http://www.wackypacks.com/forsale/front.html
I guess I would feel pretty bitter if I had purchased a set on ebay for $250 only to find it now sells for $125 in the store and perhaps not as rare as previously advertised.
If you'd feel bitter about that, then you'd experience a lot of bitterness, as varying price points reflecting varying inventory are a normal part of buying and selling.
If an ebay seller auctions and item and it sells for $200, and the same seller offers the same item buy it now for $150 the following month, is there something wrong with that?
On the other hand, if an earlier auction specifically implied that there was a limited quantity of these, that's wrong. Many sellers are not candid if they have many of an item because they know divulging that will depress prices. But outright lying about that would be wrong.
If an ebay seller auctions and item and it sells for $200, and the same seller offers the same item buy it now for $150 the following month, is there something wrong with that?
If you'd feel bitter about that, then you'd experience a lot of bitterness, as varying price points reflecting varying inventory are a normal part of buying and selling.
If an ebay seller auctions and item and it sells for $200, and the same seller offers the same item buy it now for $150 the following month, is there something wrong with that?
I would think that there would be something wrong with that if they were sold under the "limited" banner at $250 each, then offered in quantity at the lower price.
That would be price gouging.
Price gouging is a pejorative term referring to when a seller spikes the prices of goods, services or commodities to a level much higher than is considered reasonable or fair, and is considered exploitative, potentially to an unethical extent.
Jim
http://www.wackypacks.com/forsale/new/boxes_series4_pack.html
BTW, the description footnote (1) under the "Wacky Packages Box Stickers" pack image states
1. This is an underground project. This is not an official Topps product.
Since they used the exact font for "Wacky Packages" that I'm sure is a Topps copyright, I'll bet Topps would still have a problem with this set.
If anyone hasn't seen the site's LW3 page, it's interesting reading:
http://www.wackypackages.org/unpublished/LW3.html
Yes, my point exactly. The description from one of the $250 sets follows below. I didn't bother to see how many sets have been sold on ebay but I would consider this deceptive advertising given there is almost always at least one auction running and now available in the store with no apparent limit, or not an indicated limit anyway, to the quantity. How's that for a run-on sentence? :P
"The Ultra rare 2011 Lost Wacky 3rd Series set of 27/27 stickers with 9-card McSnoremick checklist puzzle.
This set is in NEW condition, still in it's original two sealed pack.
This set even comes with both lost gums cards as well as the very rare insert card.
The solo pictures are to show you exactly what is inside the 2 sealed packs.
These will be shipped priority insured.
THESE ARE VERY RARE AND YOU DO NOT SEE THEM VERY OFTEN."
Wow, that last sentence is really an indictment of the deception in this auction, especially sine they were currently printing them and had unlimited potential for quantities made.
well noted, thanks for that. I'm still not sure if one owns the original art to any piece that gives him/her the
right to publish it or profit from it. If it was submitted to Topps and Topps paid for it, they own the rights I would think?
They can later sell the artwork if they choose.
(And my apologies for starting any debate, I'm not trying to stir any embers, just hypothetically thinking of
the Lost Wacky projects specifically)
I saw there is a binder now for the Boxes Series 1 - 4. This looks very nice; but I won't be pursuing it due to the prohibitive cost of these cards. Even at the $99 per set price on the the web site; that equates to $5 per card which is not what I am willing to pay. $29 to $39 per set would have worked for these sets ; but that was not the path chosen.
So on Facebook there is a guy named Jason Hanks that posted photos a ton of sketch cards he's making using the Wacky Packages logo and the Old School toothpaste nameplate (from mine and Jay's design). These are for some kind of Lost Wackys set for Greg. I assume in pack or as some kind of special set. I posted to the guy that they are bootlegs, can't use those logos and he went off on my page in a post I made about my daughter's softball team (and a cute GPK style card I made for the girls) then went on the Garbage Pail Kids Underground site and went bonkers cursing me out and attacking me before they banned him. Apparently he also takes commissions from people, takes their money and never does the work and has been banned from GPK Facebook forums as well. In other words he's a dick. So watch out for his bootleg Wacky stuff. Straight stolen from Jay and myself.
So on Facebook there is a guy named Jason Hanks that posted photos a ton of sketch cards he's making using the Wacky Packages logo and the Old School toothpaste nameplate (from mine and Jay's design).these are the ones that are sketched on the puzzle side of old checklist cards?
Granted, this nonsense is getting out of hand, though it isn't very surprising. (And always seems to be spinning around the same spider cleverly positioned in the center of its web.)
But then and again, hasn't Topps opened themselves up for just such nonsense? I would think sketch cards would be the easiest thing to imitate. I have tried - unsuccessfully thus far, in my strict opinion - to paint a parody that has that distinct and singular Wacky look and feel. It's difficult. A sketch card, though - particularly a black and white sketch card rendered in black Sharpie - would be the easiest thing in the world to forge and slap an "artist's name" onto. Sketch artists vary from year-to-year and series-to-series. Unless I did some major digging, I would be very hard pressed to ascertain whether a particular sketch artist was legitimate or not.
There's something to be said about sticking to the basics and not over-expanding.
Like RawGoo said, everything's now a "gamble."
On another note, I believe that a few of the "Lost" Wackys are on par - or even better than - some of the official Wackys during the past few years. Simply put, they have more of the original Wacky "flavor" and/or "spirit." Thus said, it seems almost inevitable that someone would step in to take advantage of this market - a void that Topps left open. Last year, Topps could have made a deal with Neil Camera and his Halloween set, thereby satisfying fans with nice, simple parodies on par with original Wackys. Instead, though, we got...
(https://s15.postimg.cc/cuqm6i2uf/ARTGPK-_STIC-17_GPK-_TF159.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/cuqm6i2uf/)
Need I say anything more?
So on Facebook there is a guy named Jason Hanks that posted photos a ton of sketch cards he's making using the Wacky Packages logo and the Old School toothpaste nameplate (from mine and Jay's design). These are for some kind of Lost Wackys set for Greg. I assume in pack or as some kind of special set. I posted to the guy that they are bootlegs, can't use those logos and he went off on my page in a post I made about my daughter's softball team (and a cute GPK style card I made for the girls) then went on the Garbage Pail Kids Underground site and went bonkers cursing me out and attacking me before they banned him. Apparently he also takes commissions from people, takes their money and never does the work and has been banned from GPK Facebook forums as well. In other words he's a dick. So watch out for his bootleg Wacky stuff. Straight stolen from Jay and myself.Never ceases to amaze me how the wrongdoers so quickly and naturally go on the offensive and attack and vilify you simply for calling them out on their assholery. There are sooooooo many delusional MFers out there. Scary.
Rob, most of the Trumpocracy titles like the one you posted were not submitted by us regulars. I think I speak for most of the "submitters" that we tried to make them more like products in the Wacky style. There were definitely a lot of clunkers towards the end of that run, but I hope we can resurrect the Alternate Facts or any of those subsets, there are so many great possibilities for parodies with all the news happening.
It doesn't matter if you feel there is a void in material the bottom line is you can't steal other people's art or intellectual property for your own benefit. Definitely doing a new Old School set for this year and I suspect there will be a few other WP products coming down the pike.
Rob, most of the Trumpocracy titles like the one you posted were not submitted by us regulars. I think I speak for most of the "submitters" that we tried to make them more like products in the Wacky style. There were definitely a lot of clunkers towards the end of that run, but I hope we can resurrect the Alternate Facts or any of those subsets, there are so many great possibilities for parodies with all the news happening.
SlamJim,
I am not trying to defend Jason Hanks and his "assholery" (great word, by the way, MoldRush,) nor was I trying to imply that it is okay for anybody to forge art and profit from it for any reason. What Hanks is doing is wrong, wrong, wrong, and yes, it must suck and I'm sure nobody here can blame you (and others) for getting pissed. (Nor is it okay for others to reproduce somebody's art and slap the name "Lost Wackys" across the package.) And then for Hanks to retaliate and come back at you in the manner that he did... well, I'd be livid, too, and probably entertain serious thoughts about searching him out and giving him a few whacks upside the head with a Wiffle ball bat. (That or driving him out of his mind by signing him up for a hundred magazine subscriptions, pizza deliveries, anonymous complaint letters from neighbors, etc., etc., etc..)
Art forgery has been going on for centuries and will continue to go on for centuries to come. And there really is no way around it. It can be made more difficult, however. Is Topps policing the playing field, however? No. (When I say Topps, I mean the few individuals making the ultimate final decisions, not the peripheral artists and concept writers.) Did Topps crack down on the Lost Wackys? No. They're still out there. One can bid on them this very second. The only thing that was cracked down upon was the shilling, and this was done by eBay. To be honest, I wonder if Topps really cares that much about Wacky Packages at all? I see little or no active promotion (yet I receive baseball card promotions everyday.) More often than not, WP are not their own separate entity any longer, but instead lumped under the GPK banner. I'd even go so far as to say that if you and a few other people didn't push for Wackys, there would probably be little or no Wackys at all. In fact, I would bet money on this (and I'm not a betting man.) Again, Topps really doesn't seem to care. Wackys are not something even left on the back burner, but rather in a bowl in the back of the fridge.
A couple towns over from me, there is a small community with a revitalized "Main Street." Rather than let it languish, though, the town actively fosters and promotes businesses and events. They show films in the park, have a weekend farmer's market, close off streets and hold book signing events, have parades, and hold concerts in a glorious old theater with a stained glass ceiling (to name but a few things.) I have attended many concerts there - Kansas, Jethro Tull, Renaissance, America - as well as frequent many of the community shops. The streets are well-lit, free of trash and graffiti, and well-policed. Sound familiar? One finds these revitalized towns scattered along the east coast. What's more, I spend my money there.
However, what if this town stopped caring? What if they no longer promoted and hosted events? What if they no longer were proactive, but rather looked the other way and focused on other interests? All too soon, the town would become a veritable shit hole. What's more, you would have more of a criminal element moving in. This is the kind of "void" I am referring to. If Topps refuses to be proactive when it comes to Wackys - I mean, fully embrace Wackys and give them equal attention as any other of their franchises - then they should expect the rats to come out of the woodwork. Its inevitable. I'm not saying that creeps like Jason Hanks are justified in doing what they're doing - not at all. But apathy is only paving the way for just such people to operate freely and unfettered.
Topps should be embracing your sets, Neil Camera's sets, and any other artist who wishes to contribute a decent set. Topps should be embracing the elements that made Wackys strong, great, and funny back in the 70s, as well as their millennium renaissance. Topps should be putting Wackys back in loaves of bread and cereal boxes. (As a teacher who hands out Wackys as incentives, I can tell you that my kids love them. Yet how on earth would my kids even know about them if it wasn't for me handing them out? It's not as if there are any advertisements for them. It's not as if they walk into Walmart or Target and spot a placard stating, "Hey, kids! Wacky Packages right this way!") Topps should be making deals with retailers and cereal companies to manufacture exclusive boxes: "Frosted Flakes" featured on one side; "Frosted Snakes" featured on the the other. Topps should be licensing mini plastic figures of WP characters. Unlike Disney, most companies do not have a problem with WP. They are free advertising. Again, FREE ADVERTISING. I could be mistaken, but I would think that Pepsi would definitely embrace a limited edition "Pupsi" can. It would make people warmly laugh and smile. It would place their product directly into people's hands (and the people's money directly into Pepsi's coffers.) Topps should also be actively protecting their property and going after the bootleggers and forgers.
And yet, Topps isn't doing any of this. Instead, we get pink borders (golly gee whiz!) or medallions or relics that 99.9% of kids cannot even afford. I am not a businessman or mathematician, however I would think that millions of kids would equate to millions of dollars (even if every kid only parted with one dollar.)
Again, what child cares about the following? Why would they care about it?
(https://s15.postimg.cc/63fcv34k7/ARTGPK-_STIC-17_GPK-_TF159.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/63fcv34k7/)
Seriously? What adult cares about it either? I, for one, don't. It's not as if it has mass market appeal.
And I really don't believe that Topps gives a shit, either. And when you don't give a shit, that's when things start to fall apart.
Rob
By the way, looking forward to your next set. At least a few people still care. Thank you.
SlamJim,
I am not trying to defend Jason Hanks and his "assholery" (great word, by the way, MoldRush,) nor was I trying to imply that it is okay for anybody to forge art and profit from it for any reason. What Hanks is doing is wrong, wrong, wrong, and yes, it must suck and I'm sure nobody here can blame you (and others) for getting pissed. (Nor is it okay for others to reproduce somebody's art and slap the name "Lost Wackys" across the package.) And then for Hanks to retaliate and come back at you in the manner that he did... well, I'd be livid, too, and probably entertain serious thoughts about searching him out and giving him a few whacks upside the head with a Wiffle ball bat. (That or driving him out of his mind by signing him up for a hundred magazine subscriptions, pizza deliveries, anonymous complaint letters from neighbors, etc., etc., etc..)
Art forgery has been going on for centuries and will continue to go on for centuries to come. And there really is no way around it. It can be made more difficult, however. Is Topps policing the playing field, however? No. (When I say Topps, I mean the few individuals making the ultimate final decisions, not the peripheral artists and concept writers.) Did Topps crack down on the Lost Wackys? No. They're still out there. One can bid on them this very second. The only thing that was cracked down upon was the shilling, and this was done by eBay. To be honest, I wonder if Topps really cares that much about Wacky Packages at all? I see little or no active promotion (yet I receive baseball card promotions everyday.) More often than not, WP are not their own separate entity any longer, but instead lumped under the GPK banner. I'd even go so far as to say that if you and a few other people didn't push for Wackys, there would probably be little or no Wackys at all. In fact, I would bet money on this (and I'm not a betting man.) Again, Topps really doesn't seem to care. Wackys are not something even left on the back burner, but rather in a bowl in the back of the fridge.
A couple towns over from me, there is a small community with a revitalized "Main Street." Rather than let it languish, though, the town actively fosters and promotes businesses and events. They show films in the park, have a weekend farmer's market, close off streets and hold book signing events, have parades, and hold concerts in a glorious old theater with a stained glass ceiling (to name but a few things.) I have attended many concerts there - Kansas, Jethro Tull, Renaissance, America - as well as frequent many of the community shops. The streets are well-lit, free of trash and graffiti, and well-policed. Sound familiar? One finds these revitalized towns scattered along the east coast. What's more, I spend my money there.
However, what if this town stopped caring? What if they no longer promoted and hosted events? What if they no longer were proactive, but rather looked the other way and focused on other interests? All too soon, the town would become a veritable shit hole. What's more, you would have more of a criminal element moving in. This is the kind of "void" I am referring to. If Topps refuses to be proactive when it comes to Wackys - I mean, fully embrace Wackys and give them equal attention as any other of their franchises - then they should expect the rats to come out of the woodwork. Its inevitable. I'm not saying that creeps like Jason Hanks are justified in doing what they're doing - not at all. But apathy is only paving the way for just such people to operate freely and unfettered.
Topps should be embracing your sets, Neil Camera's sets, and any other artist who wishes to contribute a decent set. Topps should be embracing the elements that made Wackys strong, great, and funny back in the 70s, as well as their millennium renaissance. Topps should be putting Wackys back in loaves of bread and cereal boxes. (As a teacher who hands out Wackys as incentives, I can tell you that my kids love them. Yet how on earth would my kids even know about them if it wasn't for me handing them out? It's not as if there are any advertisements for them. It's not as if they walk into Walmart or Target and spot a placard stating, "Hey, kids! Wacky Packages right this way!") Topps should be making deals with retailers and cereal companies to manufacture exclusive boxes: "Frosted Flakes" featured on one side; "Frosted Snakes" featured on the the other. Topps should be licensing mini plastic figures of WP characters. Unlike Disney, most companies do not have a problem with WP. They are free advertising. Again, FREE ADVERTISING. I could be mistaken, but I would think that Pepsi would definitely embrace a limited edition "Pupsi" can. It would make people warmly laugh and smile. It would place their product directly into people's hands (and the people's money directly into Pepsi's coffers.) Topps should also be actively protecting their property and going after the bootleggers and forgers.
And yet, Topps isn't doing any of this. Instead, we get pink borders (golly gee whiz!) or medallions or relics that 99.9% of kids cannot even afford. I am not a businessman or mathematician, however I would think that millions of kids would equate to millions of dollars (even if every kid only parted with one dollar.)
Again, what child cares about the following? Why would they care about it?
(https://s15.postimg.cc/63fcv34k7/ARTGPK-_STIC-17_GPK-_TF159.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/63fcv34k7/)
Seriously? What adult cares about it either? I, for one, don't. It's not as if it has mass market appeal.
And I really don't believe that Topps gives a shit, either. And when you don't give a shit, that's when things start to fall apart.
Rob
By the way, looking forward to your next set. At least a few people still care. Thank you.
Hey, real quick on just a couple of these things, you are speaking on a few things in this that you really don't know some facts on so I will fill you in on it a bit. Topps did go after the Lost Wackys. They keep changing their names and putting them up. They are going after them again. Someone here tipped them off and I ended up getting a phone call from Topps a number of months back asking me if some of my art was being used. So someone there is on it.How do you know someone from here tipped them off? Many of you artists who have been working for Topps and have been well aware of their activities hadn't said anything to Topps all this time? My opinion is that topps and its employees have been so lax in enforcing the copyright that they have invited this infringement.
Also, it's a two way street for advertising. You can't just stick your cards into loaves of bread or into cereal if those companies don't want you. Topps has a ton of licenses going for GPK right now with more coming. Wacky Packs is a much tougher license. I'm sure Topps would love to do any of that you mentioned and so much more. Someone else is going to have to want to get that license and feel they can make money off it.
Hey, real quick on just a couple of these things, you are speaking on a few things in this that you really don't know some facts on so I will fill you in on it a bit. Topps did go after the Lost Wackys. They keep changing their names and putting them up. They are going after them again. Someone here tipped them off and I ended up getting a phone call from Topps a number of months back asking me if some of my art was being used. So someone there is on it.
Also, it's a two way street for advertising. You can't just stick your cards into loaves of bread or into cereal if those companies don't want you. Topps has a ton of licenses going for GPK right now with more coming. Wacky Packs is a much tougher license. I'm sure Topps would love to do any of that you mentioned and so much more. Someone else is going to have to want to get that license and feel they can make money off it.
And as they expand, they keep crossing this line and that line. They outright stole George Wright's "Miracle Warp." Greed knows no bounds. And now other - entirely different - vendors are auctioning "Lost Wacky" cards. And now we have Jason Hanks stealing your art, as well. Dude, with all due respect, this shit isn't stopping - it's growing and growing. If you get enough forged sketch cards out there, I would think the value of all sketch cards would decrease.just an fyi, but these sketch cards are not just a Jason Hanks thing. "Somebody" (ahem) created a pile of sketch card blanks on old checklist cards, using the well known Wacky typeface and the Jay/Dave toothpaste tube. The look and feel is certainly Old School/Binder puzzle piece. These blanks were farmed out to multiple artists for them to sketch on. I've seen at least four artists now.
How do you know someone from here tipped them off? Many of you artists who have been working for Topps and have been well aware of their activities hadn't said anything to Topps all this time? My opinion is that topps and its employees have been so lax in enforcing the copyright that they have invited this infringement.
I'm a freelancer not an employee and it's not my job to patrol Ebay for them. With that logic I'd say you and everyone else here also knew about them for a long time and also should be informing them I gave them all the info they asked when they contacted me though. I did tell them about this new guy and his bootlegs if that makes you feel better. No one invites infringement. The person(s) doing the infringing are ALWAYS in the wrong.How do you know it was someone from this forum who tipped them off? I retired from patrolling ebay years ago. I suspect "someone" is printing fake 1st series ludlows too but again, there is no reward in patrolling for this hobby. Collectors have no issues with hanging out with scoundrels so the bar is set pretty low. I know of many companies who patrol ebay looking for grey market products of their brands. It is one of the most popular places to move stuff. If Topps needs to be tipped off on obvious infringement of their copyrights on ebay, then they don't care or don't have a clue and both are invitations for infringement. Obviously I am not using the word "invite" in the proactive sense. topps has allowed the wild west to settle so it is the wild west we have.
The only person at Topps I speak to is the editor, Colin Walton and this stuff isn't in his job description either. This is strictly the law department at Topps responsibility.
I'm a freelancer not an employee and it's not my job to patrol Ebay for them. With that logic I'd say you and everyone else here also knew about them for a long time and also should be informing them I gave them all the info they asked when they contacted me though. I did tell them about this new guy and his bootlegs if that makes you feel better. No one invites infringement. The person(s) doing the infringing are ALWAYS in the wrong.Wouldn't free lancers have a vested interest in wanting to report this stuff to topps? It can only hurt free lancers if all money waiting to be spent on wackys is spent on fraudulent wackys. Less money spent on real wackys means fewer projects for the free lancers. Somebody must be getting a kickback here as topps is being too blatantly stupid and careless about this.
The only person at Topps I speak to is the editor, Colin Walton and this stuff isn't in his job description either. This is strictly the law department at Topps responsibility.
How do you know it was someone from this forum who tipped them off? I retired from patrolling ebay years ago. I suspect "someone" is printing fake 1st series ludlows too but again, there is no reward in patrolling for this hobby. Collectors have no issues with hanging out with scoundrels so the bar is set pretty low. I know of many companies who patrol ebay looking for grey market products of their brands. It is one of the most popular places to move stuff. If Topps needs to be tipped off on obvious infringement of their copyrights on ebay, then they don't care or don't have a clue and both are invitations for infringement. Obviously I am not using the word "invite" in the proactive sense. topps has allowed the wild west to settle so it is the wild west we have.
While I wait for some of the PSA Wackys I am missing to show up at reasonable prices, I had been considering pursuing some ludlow auctions, but, being unable to be sure they aren't recent fakes, I decided to buy some Rittenhouse Archives cards instead. While this doesn't impact Topps' bottom line, concerns of fakes could hurt the value of legitimate ludlows on the secondary market.
There have been a few auctions recently on ebay that have had 1st series black luds for sale that looked almost too nice. You have to wonder about NM copies of these showing up for sale. It stinks that we have to worry about buying authentic pieces now with technology making it easier and easier to produce high level fakes that are really hard to distinguish from authentic copies.
See? More and more, this nonsense is proving detrimental to the hobby.
Anyone who prints fakes can do it. I don't care. They get to live with the guilt of making money off of collectors who don't know any better. If you have pointed it out, let the world know. These frauds who print fakes won't make any money. They'll realize what they've done. And, guess what? Why would they print any more? Anyone who actually bids on these fakes is uneducated and not a real collector.
But they are making money. Lots of it! Why should they stop?
And I highly doubt they are feeling guilty as they saunter along to the bank with a big s--- eating grin plastered across their faces as they think about taking a cruise come August. You are I might feel guilty if we pulled such a stunt, but others? Well, some people don't feel a thing, especially pity or remorse (just like the Terminator!)
And uneducated collectors - say, like newbies - deserve to be ripped off? (Well, baptism by fire is one way to learn, I suppose.) And, hey, remember: At one time, all of us were uneducated newbies.
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Hey, I've an idea! We're both creative, right? Let's create the "lost" 17th Series using Photoshop! 33 spectacular, never-seen-before cards straight out of the pages of history! If people fall for it, so what? And if they're smart enough to realize what we did - and we do a superb job (or at least a better job than what was done on some of the PoDs) - so what? People will buy them anyway! Guaranteed, within a year you will have so much money that you'll be able to own every original Wacky title - PSA 10! Or maybe, just maybe, the ever-elusive PSA 11! Just think of it!
Let's begin with this VHS tape, shall we?
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Sincerely yours,
Mephistopheles (formerly known as Baked Bears)
that's actually an awesome parody.I agree. I think I'd just extend the tag line under the one that's there: "by scaring the devil outta you!"
There have been a few auctions recently on ebay that have had 1st series black luds for sale that looked almost too nice. You have to wonder about NM copies of these showing up for sale. It stinks that we have to worry about buying authentic pieces now with technology making it easier and easier to produce high level fakes that are really hard to distinguish from authentic copies.Buy one and check it out with a loupe....I am hearing there are fakes being printed by someone. That is not infringement, that is fraud. I hope finally someone who deserves it, goes to jail....
I agree. I think I'd just extend the tag line under the one that's there: "by scaring the devil outta you!"
Two years ago at the Allentown show a FAKE Red Ludlow showed up for one of the 1st couple of series.
I really felt bad for the person who had the card.
Collectables showed be just that - technology has allowed many to FAKE and STEAL and it only dilutes the value of the real products. I have many rare and unique items. I would be reallllly pissed off if someone started doing knock off Ratz and Cracked Animals die-cuts, for example, diluting the true value for one of these.
#StayWacky
#FederalPrisonForCounterfietors
Two years ago at the Allentown show a FAKE Red Ludlow showed up for one of the 1st couple of series.How was it determined the card was a fake? Which title? Who was the seller(rhetorical question but answer if possible anyway).
I really felt bad for the person who had the card.
Collectables showed be just that - technology has allowed many to FAKE and STEAL and it only dilutes the value of the real products. I have many rare and unique items. I would be reallllly pissed off if someone started doing knock off Ratz and Cracked Animals die-cuts, for example, diluting the true value for one of these.
#StayWacky
#FederalPrisonForCounterfietors
How was it determined the card was a fake? Which title? Who was the seller(rhetorical question but answer if possible anyway).
I remember those Dave. I believe you weren't the only one that thought they were suspicious.Who was the seller?
Who was the seller?
Who was the seller?
What I find funny is that it is listed as a red ludlow, and the scan is a black ludlow. Has anyone ever bought one to see if these stickers are kiss-cut?
Who is paying $150 for things like this? It is acknowledged as a repro, but sold under the "Lost Wacky Packages" banner/brand....... What really scares me is wondering what else can be printed now. Hopefully actual die-cuts are too tough.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/-/263772280146?nordt=true&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l10137
What I find funny is that it is listed as a red ludlow, and the scan is a black ludlow. Has anyone ever bought one to see if these stickers are kiss-cut?
Astounding, isn't it? (Not necessarily surprising, though, considering what one individual was paying for the "Lost" diamonds.) Even more ludicrous is the addition of the word "rare" in the description. How can a freshly-printed reproduction be rare?I believe it's the same individual that had the high bid on nearly all the silver, gold and diamonds.
Astounding, isn't it? (Not necessarily surprising, though, considering what one individual was paying for the "Lost" diamonds.) Even more ludicrous is the addition of the word "rare" in the description. How can a freshly-printed reproduction be rare?
I, too, wonder what might be printed up next? Green ludlows? A misprint Run Tony with only 4 flying bullets instead of 5? A "newly discovered" Grime with "dusty-greasy-heavy chunks?" A 16th series Gillo Port with no copyright? A "rare" Goodbye Kitty with yellow buttons instead of white buttons?
I also wonder how long this has been going on? Years and years? I've been following certain vendors for years who miraculously always seem to have a seemingly inexhaustible supply of "rarities." This, of course, begs another question: How many cards in our collections are illegitimate? We would all like to say none, obviously, but it does make one wonder.
Or does it even matter to some people?
And speaking of high prices, the following single card just went for a little over $250:
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Better yet, there's more to come!
5 Years in the Making!
Lost Wacky Series 4 will be released later this year.
30 New Titles!
4 Star Wars Bonus Stickers! (Maybe Disney will intervene, being Topps legal dept.always seem to be off playing with themselves.)
3 New Ovary Show Variations! (Just what we needed!)
(And best take a seat for this next one, RawGoo!)
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Newly discovered art by Norm Saunders and Jay Lynch !
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Faking vintage cards is nowhere near as easy as some people make it sound. They might look believable on eBay, but for those who have examined thousands of vintage wackys and are intimately familiar with their characteristics it is usually pretty easy to spot fakes.Agreed, but you're thinking within this Forum community which consists of mostly savvy, experienced Wacky collectors and enthusiasts. There must be a much larger outside market of folks who remember Wackys fondly enough to drop some ridiculous amounts of money for what may look like or be described as a rarity, but don't have the time or patience to become knowledgeable enough about the hobby to develop the trained, experienced eye necessary to spot fakes or homemades. Still blows my mind that Topps isn't aggressively going after this.
Faking vintage cards is nowhere near as easy as some people make it sound. They might look believable on eBay, but for those who have examined thousands of vintage wackys and are intimately familiar with their characteristics it is usually pretty easy to spot fakes.
Still blows my mind that Topps isn't aggressively going after this.
oh man, just noticed your 'auction snipe' info. Sounds totally worth it! LOL
Unfortunately, almost everything I buy nowadays is via the internet. I miss being able to go to card shows, even the small monthly one they used to have in Rockville Centre.
There's no time. It's July... October is just around the corner... they have to get their legal team whipped into shape in preparation of shutting down another Halloween collection that could possibly sell 150 sets. Priorities!!
And buying off of the internet is where things keep getting trickier and trickier. I'd much rather hold the real thing in my hand and see it in person.
Even better than a missing bullet, now we have mashups with 50's pulp art (are all the women from Saunders art maybe? I don't have a reference)
eBay auction: #163138214531
That certainly looks like Saunders art, but I don't recognize any of the 6 women from my 54 trading card set. Does anyone have the book that David Saunders released in 2009? Perhaps these images were obtained from that?I was going to look through my book later and maybe Google-fu the images as well to find the sources
I was going to look through my book later and maybe Google-fu the images as well to find the sources
Not sure how cool I think this latest effort is. What is the point of putting a pinup girl in place of a wacky character? Why is that cool? I can see putting the wrong character on a card as was done with Chrome mixed up cards. But these pinups were not even drawn by a Topps artist correct? What am I missing here?
I think they have a great idea... almost. I wish they would write a new gag title for the product that better fit the pin up girl theme, stealing the original Wacky gags and slogans is uncreative and TM infringement. Disappointing to see them come so close to a new spin on Wackys, only to fall short by stealing existing art and gags... again. I'd have gladly helped them write original gags that would make these stand all on their own. Maybe it's not too late to fix?
Joe,Too much money to produce and commission a set like this. That is why I would not make my own set. I personally just like their idea.
Why don't you produce a set? (Maybe 12, being there's 12 months in a year?) And make it completely legal and legit: Your art, your gags, etc.. I'd bet your set would be better and funnier and make more sense. These other guys are simply mashing together stuff that isn't even theirs to begin with. The pin-up girls may give the set a unique look, but it's not funny. Hell, Sleestak would be funnier!
On another note, I wonder if these would look something like the tentative Old School 40s or 50s sets that Dave Gross had once mentioned?
(https://s15.postimg.cc/wjal4h6zr/latest.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/wjal4h6zr/)
Not sure how cool I think this latest effort is. What is the point of putting a pinup girl in place of a wacky character? Why is that cool? I can see putting the wrong character on a card as was done with Chrome mixed up cards. But these pinups were not even drawn by a Topps artist correct? What am I missing here?"The heart likes, what the heart likes". I just like the theme that they did. I am not talking right or wrong, just that I like the theme. If they put out a set, at a reasonable price, I would buy it. I am not interested in ludlow back or 1/5 diamond cards. Just a set at a reasonable cost.
All new original product parodies and pin up girls would be good. I do like these but 13 bucks a card is too much for my budget, and I'm guessing these will sell for much more.Let's hope they put out a set. Right now I think they are recouping their costs to make the set.
I thank Neil for starting the mashup craze. I love the Mars attack, wacky mash ups.
Again it's my opinion and I am sticking with it.
Thanks Joe. I try ;):great:
By the way, I really do like these pinup mashups. Maybe not as refined as they could be, but there's definitely a good idea there.
(https://s15.postimg.cc/u08edx553/bimbo.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/u08edx553/)Nice mash up you made there Chad :great:
Nice mash up you made there Chad :great:Thanks my very own Wacky Pin up with all new concept. This sold! Painted version coming soon!!
Cards coming too??
Lost some images in a computer crash...
Google-fu? Please forgive my ignorance :-[just my way of saying I'll keep working through numerous, varied searches until I get a hit.
When do you start taking orders. Paypal ready. Love those pinups! Any you have two girls..not one. Genius!
These don't even have any relevance to the Wacky. Why not just buy pinup girl stuff?
Well fine, then. Two can play at that game.Love this!!!! Needs to be made!
(https://s15.postimg.cc/4n42mkmyf/Baked_Bare.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/4n42mkmyf/)
These don't even have any relevance to the Wacky. Why not just buy pinup girl stuff?
Love this!!!! Needs to be made!
Why are we comparing bootleg Matt Stock creations to MLB wackys?
Being somebody made a mash-up of Fanatical and Sickly, I was just busting Patrick's chops with this mock up of Baked Bears. If you want some pin up girls to play around with, just google "vintage pin up girl images" or "clipart" with no background or transparent background. They're ready and waiting to go!LoL. Yep, my very own. But still won't be paying $10 for a meaningless mashup.
I agree, RawGoo. The pin up girls don't have a single blessed thing to do with Wackys at all, save for being superimposed on a Wacky - and sharing a similar vintage pulp art painting style.they're not even staying true to that spirit either. Hipton girl is a very modern rendering
LoL. Yep, my very own. But still won't be paying $10 for a meaningless mashup.
btw - here's a version of yours to match the file name that you gave the image. ;)
(https://s22.postimg.cc/x7c3eat4x/Baked_Bare.jpg)
I am a man and I love a good pinup. That said, I do not like this mash up at all. Pinups do not belong on a Wacky. This is just one step away from Ovary Show...what's next, Nude Wackys?? Where does it stop?
Jim
I am so tired of seeing Ovary Show in its uncensored form on Ebay. I follow Lost Wackys and every search for the term brings up that uncensored card. For me that card was cool to own in the past ; as it had a great back story. Now I have probably viewed that card 1000 times and wish I never had to see it again. Maybe any sellers who reads this could cover part of the card out of respect for the fact that Kids may search for Wacky's on the Ebay. Enough of Ovary Show already!!!
btw - here's a version of yours to match the file name that you gave the image. ;)
(https://s22.postimg.cc/x7c3eat4x/Baked_Bare.jpg)
I am so tired of seeing Ovary Show in its uncensored form on Ebay. I follow Lost Wackys and every search for the term brings up that uncensored card. For me that card was cool to own in the past ; as it had a great back story. Now I have probably viewed that card 1000 times and wish I never had to see it again. Maybe any sellers who read this could cover part of the card out of respect for the fact that Kids may search for Wacky's on the Ebay. Enough of Ovary Show already!!!
Does anyone know where I can find a list of the artists behind each of the Lost Wacky Cards in sets 1 - 4?a pretty good chunk of the names can be found on Rusty's site: http://www.lostwackys.com/Wacky-Packages/Lost-Wackys/
Thanks, Andrew
Hard to comprehend how much $$$ the LW , WP Boxes and Variation Wacky Sets are selling for. I like the LW and Boxes sets ; but why pay $300 when they came way down in price in the past. Must be some newbies or gotta have it now people. Go figure.I would put it towards the gotta have it now people. No matter what the cost they have to be first. I am sure there are plenty of sets for whoever wants one.
I would put it towards the gotta have it now people. No matter what the cost they have to be first. I am sure there are plenty of sets for whoever wants one.
News Flash: LW Printing Plates are now a reality. Quiet Pupsi Plate is now on the bay. What will we see next?
Shill bidding still going on with Lost Wacky auctions. When you see a crazy high price it's always Jabish, a***i(2816) being run up by n***o(1649).
A search of the bidding history of n***o(1649)
shows that bidder has made 369 bids this month with 49% of them on knight_collectibles and 50% of
the bids being placed with apg227, just a major coincidence that those are Matt's Lost Wacky accounts.
Totally dishonest practice of selling bootleg items and shill bidding a buyer to create a fake market.
Shill bidding still going on with Lost Wacky auctions. When you see a crazy high price it's always Jabish, a***i(2816) being run up by n***o(1649)....but someone here chastised me for suggesting the series 1 ludlows knight collectibles was selling were possibly fake given the ability to print lost wackys with ludlow backs and given the propensity to be dishonest with shilling....yeah, major leap of faith I made.
A search of the bidding history of n***o(1649)
shows that bidder has made 369 bids this month with 49% of them on knight_collectibles and 50% of
the bids being placed with apg227, just a major coincidence that those are Matt's Lost Wacky accounts.
Totally dishonest practice of selling bootleg items and shill bidding a buyer to create a fake market.
Any one else think the nice'n scarey "LOST WACKY" looks a lot like Maya Rudolph?
(https://s33.postimg.cc/kd23923sb/nicenscarey.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/kd23923sb/)
(https://s33.postimg.cc/66mce2szv/Maya.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/66mce2szv/)
Any one else think the nice'n scarey "LOST WACKY" looks a lot like Maya Rudolph?
I can see the resemblance. I think it looks a lot like Roseanne Barr too.
Maybe I missed it, but anyone know who is involved in the artwork for these?
I don't get it.... Does anyone know if they are indeed available elsewhere?