Just one quick one to help inaugurate your archive...
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Welcome to the Wacky Packages Forum PSA Archive!Not to be a downer, but it's possible this Archive won't be around for a real long time. Using postimg from this board, in my experience, means your images are not kept forever. I've had some uploaded images expire and disappear from my posts. Just a warning...I could be wrong.
Just one quick one to help inaugurate your archive...
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Are the images stored within your postimage account?No, uploaded directly to postimg from the board [Add image to post link].
As I've said before, that sticker is truly a wonder to behold.
Not to be a downer, but it's possible this Archive won't be around for a real long time. Using postimg from this board, in my experience, means your images are not kept forever. I've had some uploaded images expire and disappear from my posts. Just a warning...I could be wrong.
How else do you upload them?
You can create your own postimage account, and then use links to post the images here.
Series 5 Sludge, NM 7 Series 5 Graft, NM 7
Thank God 5th series glossies are common, at least toning isn't so much of a worry with this series. Wish I could say the same about the 4th!
6th glossies are the rarest. 4ths are uncommon enough that it's petty hard to find them in high grade.
I don't think Bum and Choke exist in glossy form, suggesting glossies were introduced after they were pulled.
Series 5 Smith Sisters, NM 7 Series 5 Krazy Crackers, NM 7
Funny how the high grade populations of some titles get blown up by mislabeled wonder breads, but this one never has....
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I agree that's a very tough title. Maybe you realize this, but the eBay seller and Ghosts1157 are one and the same. Like 70topcat, he is just putting some of his tough cards up for sale at very high prices, being willing to let them go if someone bites. I don't see this as a terribly attractive 8, but you never know if the right buyer comes along.
Your image posting already got one of my photos removed up above. (Sludge)
Not completely sure about that strategy.
EDIT: I fixed it by re-posting the link in case it happens again to any of the pictures.
I don't understand what you mean. What caused the image to be lost?
I phrased that wrong. I posted the images using your strategy for it and the Sludge picture disappeared and was covered by a blue square that said the image was removed.
The way it is posted now is what I said. Maybe it just needed to be refreshed?
I guess so. It was an easy fix, all I did was get rid of the link and add it again. That's probably what happens with most of the photos on the forum.
Just scored a nice example of a fairly tough wacky....
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Great! Was it one you got graded or did you buy it from someone else?
Found something that I don't believe has been on ebay for a while and is a bit underrated on toughness.With that centering, how did it get a grade without a qualifier?
eBay auction: #272809917149
The SMR price guide indicates this price is too high! What is your opinion?
With that centering, how did it get a grade without a qualifier?Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you can request no qualifiers and the grade is lowered accordingly.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you can request no qualifiers and the grade is lowered accordingly.
Yes, it is usually lowered two grades in lieu of the qualifier.For a $10,000 item the scans sure are poor! I am not finding I can zoom in on this. I guess it could be PSA8 material sans he centering as the corners look solid.
I bought it from someone else. There's a guy I met through Collectors Universe forums who digs up great wackys and usually offers them to me before putting them on eBay. The submission he just got back was unbelievable. Two of the 10s were on eBay last night but are now gone.
What were the tens?
Ajerx and Fishbone white backs. I think for Ajerx it was the first 10.
Alert....if anyone is considering purchasing any of the 1st series PSA Wackys currently being offered by smrcollectibles on eBay, you should know they are all 1979 test stickers. Not sure where they came from, but the die cuts show them to not be real 1st series stickers.
Hmm. Wasn't there someone on the forum a while ago who wanted to purchase PSA graded 1sts without lines around the border? I would probably stab at the Mrs Klean so I would have a 79 test sticker but I'm not sure about being allowed to take the card out of the holder. Not sure if there's a process for that.
What do you mean by "allowed?"
Bad wording on my part. I meant to ask about there being some sort of procedure needed to delete the cert. off of PSA or something.
Yeah, well in theory, if you crack a card out to resubmit it, they want you to send them the cert label, but frankly no one ever bothers, so the pop report is already FUBAR. Especially for high demand cards where a bump is worth big money, the pop report is really inaccurate in bumpable grades.
I'm not sure what you're saying, but cards that are graded AUTH are usually that way because they are deemed to be altered.
For a T206 Wagner the AUTH is huge because it shows it is not a fake.
I'm saying (for example) that the population of 8s is usually inflated because a 9 is often worth 5-10 times more, so trying to re-sub has a big upside.
For example I just picked up this '73 Clemente because I feel it is a super nice 8 that could reasonably be a 9. If I ever feel like cracking and re-submitting (or reviewing) it could go from an $80 card to $400+. For really valuable cards that are high end the card may be re-subbed many times looking for that valuable bump, thereby throwing the pop report into disarray.
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Here you see my confusion. I thought what you meant by "Bump" was to take the card out of the holder and own it raw. Now I understand what you are talking about.
I'm not sure what you're saying, but cards that are graded AUTH are usually that way because they are deemed to be altered.
For a T206 Wagner the AUTH is huge because it shows it is not a fake.
I'm saying (for example) that the population of 8s is usually inflated because a 9 is often worth 5-10 times more, so trying to re-sub has a big upside.
For example I just picked up this '73 Clemente because I feel it is a super nice 8 that could reasonably be a 9. If I ever feel like cracking and re-submitting (or reviewing) it could go from an $80 card to $400+. For really valuable cards that are high end the card may be re-subbed many times looking for that valuable bump, thereby throwing the pop report into disarray.
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Wish I had seen that Raw Goo!Yeah, your avatar looks a little toned.
Yeah, your avatar looks a little toned.
Alert....if anyone is considering purchasing any of the 1st series PSA Wackys currently being offered by smrcollectibles on eBay, you should know they are all 1979 test stickers. Not sure where they came from, but the die cuts show them to not be real 1st series stickers.Good to know. To bad for the person who purchased the PSA 9 lavirus. Good eye on that. I did not notice it. How much is a test series worth though?
My first ever PSA Submission, I subbed two cards with Paul_Maul's order. (Thanks!!)Congrats! Very nice!
Nothing new here. The last two months, I've been focused on selling toys and models in an attempt to make some room in my horribly overfilled house. With all this new loot from toy selling, maybe I'll start looking for graded Wackys again soon :P :P Or, I'll start listing my extra PSAs along with the toys........... at least those don't need all kinds of special sized boxes!
How is this one only an 8?
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How is this one only an 8?
I want to bring this up here:
Does anyone else get bothered by the fact that PSA orders the cards alphabetically and not by the checklist? It just doesn't seem true to the cards considering checklists are a part of the master set...
Got an email from PSA yesterday - they have a 1st quarter special of $10 per card (post 1955), with a 25 card minimum.
Until January 1, there was a permanent bulk rate of $10 for 10 or more cards. While that has been done away with, it’s hard to get excited about a “special” like this. Unfortunately, it’s the best we’ll ever see again I’m afraid.
My CC renewal sub, which used to be 7 day turnaround, is now 20-day, and is on the 20th day with nothing. Another guy on the CU forum is on day 27. This is the new normal so that every POKÉMON card in Asia can be graded.
The handful of my Wackys that went in last year took MONTHS. I have a few left that might be worth trying, but I am leaning towards just selling them raw on evilbay.
I imagine the Pokemon cards, with their curved corners, are easier to get higher grades for. Aside from that factor, they also are not all that old, and didn't come with gum or wax issues. I remember searching for quite some time to find a Charizard for my boyfriend's nephew......... scored one just a few days before Christmas.
Do you know why you don't want to go to the bathroom with a Pokemon?wait for it wait for it wait for it wait for it wait for it wait for it
He might Pikachu!
Is anyone planning on subbing anything with the new, super cheap offer?
There is no new cheap offer. What are you referring to?
Very nice!
To my Wacky Package friends that collect PSA cards. I just had these 4 PSA card holders produced. They are awesome to display your cards in a 3 Ring binder! Years ago Ultra Pro made them and they were very popular but they stopped production. The Ultra Pro's were 5 mil thick, I had these made 8 mil! The cards snap in easily and sit very secure. Similiar but not the same quality are on Ebay for $8 per sheet, I will sell them to Forum members for $5.75 per and a little better for bulk.
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For any of you interested, there's an app called Camscanner (of which I found out about because of school) where you take pictures on your phone and you can crop and edit photos as if it were a scan.how is it different than just simply editing a photo on your phone? I can do all those things currently
how is it different than just simply editing a photo on your phone? I can do all those things currently
It doesn’t really address the negatives of a photo vs. a true scan though. I still see shadows.
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New pickup.
Anyone know why "appealslaw" has ten 1st Series PSA sets on the registry? He must really like the set.
His top set will probably pass me soon. I just can’t find any upgrades I like better than what I have any more.The closer to completion does do that. It is very hard to find upgrades. I agree with you on that, you are even more particular than I am. So trust me I get what you are saying.
His top set will probably pass me soon. I just can’t find any upgrades I like better than what I have any more.
And people like me, at the ripe old age of 9, didn't know what they were, so they put them in the pocket of their shorts and carried them around to show to their friends thus damaging the product. Unfortunately my 1st tans all got washed in said pocket of my shorts and completely destroyed. By the time the later series came around, we knew what they were, and if we weren't into sticking them on things, we didn't put them in our pockets and took better care of our collection.
In all actuality though, most of the higher grade cards came from product opened after 9-pocket sheets and hard plastic protectors were commonplace. There were far less series 1 unopened packs killed later in life, thus the shortage of higher grade material.
Shoe boxes were the fanciest holding apperatus I saw back then. And that was more to do with volume than preserving the integrity of the cards. :]
I notice many of the PSA graded wackys on eBay are in the older non-hologram PSA holders. Are there any known issues with the old-style holders vs. the new Lighthouse style? Or are there any opinions as to whether the grading was tighter/looser on cards graded prior to the introduction of the current PSA holder (I believe it was updated in 2017)?
The lighthouse holders look better, and are more difficult to tamper with. Not really a concern for garden variety wackys.
I got most of my wackys graded in 2013-2015. I have always thought PSA was a little looser with wackys than with baseball cards, simply because they have examined them so much less. But I haven’t noticed a big difference in tightness over the years (as I have observed with some baseball sets). If anything, probably a bit tighter now than very old flips.
What the heck is a "flip"?
Yeah, I like the new flips. When I first started collected these, I strayed away from the older flips because I didn't like the way they looked.
When the "flip" starts to matter in the value of the graded card, I'm done >(
I'm still thinking of boycotting PSA for not keeping Wackys in checklist order.
When the "flip" starts to matter in the value of the graded card, I'm done >(
PSA graded a very off-center card as a 9 Off-center??? Centering is a big factor when grading encapsulated stamps, so this is surprising...
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Very nice. Sometimes wackys like this will receive a higher grade because of a mis-perception by the grader of what the vertical centering should be like. I have seen 9s and 10s that look just like this.
Did I hear correctly recently that PSA was under investigation or something?
So, here's my two other pickups...Starting to really build up your 5th series
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Starting to really build up your 5th series
Also, is there a reason Gogtter retired all of his PSA sets? Did he get bored being #1 on every one?
Is he selling his Wackys?
Also, is there a reason Gogtter retired all of his PSA sets? Did he get bored being #1 on every one?
Is he selling his Wackys?
I would still like to see the Floral 10, and now this Sufferin “10”.
Who’s Jim?
He has had some chronic health problems for several years. I don’t believe he is selling his 1-16, but I do think he sold his die cuts and back variation sets to Jim.I think Eric ended up with his 1-16 set. I know I obtained some of the shedd's. I know that Mr. Fagen got some of the hostess pairs.
I didn't know any 3rd white 9's existed. I assume that's your's? Do you have others in the set?
Is there a reason that Eric doesn't allow people to view his sets?
Yup, it's mine and I do have a PSA 7 white Lova also. Got them in a trade from a Forum member way back when. PSA goofed-up and put the two specimens in with regular 3rd tan backs in the registry, as Joe L. has pointed out to me recently.
I'm not much into PSA Wackys, so I know very little about Eric's sets and the PSA Wacky world.
But, dang! That would be a nice way to start a set if you collected them. I'm going to look and see if any people have started 3rd white sets on the registry.
I have a couple of complete 3rd white sets and quite a few of those specimens would likely slab fairly well.
Always looking for good trades though!
WOW!!! I don't think I've ever seen a 3rd white in person, raw or graded!
WOW!!! I don't think I've ever seen a 3rd white in person, raw or graded!
Very nice! How did you ever end up with multiple sets?
I have 15 stickers that I *think* are NM or better that I am considering submitting to PSA for grading. I am not currently a PSA member. Any advice re: submitting to get the best value/results?
It’s not really a good time. There are no collectors club memberships with grading vouchers available at this time. Also, the economy service level has been suspended. So if you join PSA (at the silver level - $59 and no vouchers) your options will be:
1. Pay $50 per card
2. Submit at least 20 cards, pay $12 per, and wait literally 4-6 months to get them back.
If they are garden variety wackys, it may not be worth it.
Thanks for the reply! :great:
Option #2 sounds far better than option #1. They're 15th series stickers and I also have nice Bum Chex, Grime Heavy, Run Tony, Pupsi and Choke Wagon stickers I would like to get encapsulated. Maybe at some point down the road when submitting conditions improve at PSA I will dig through my 1960 - 70 hockey and baseball cards to see if there are any candidates to add to the submission and make it worthwhile.
You definitely need to make sure they're worth subbing. I did my first "submission" with Dave (Paul_Maul) a couple years back, and I sent him several cards thinking that they'd be good to sub. I ended up only sending two in by his discretion. I would say that you should only sub if you expect PSA 8 or higher, but with MAG 7 titles you can be a bit more lenient. Especially with Choke Wagon. As far as the 15th Series, I still think it would be smart to sub expecting 8's but I think you're still technically better off with a 15th Series PSA 7 than, say, a 6th Series PSA 7.
If someone else here has something to sub, you could always combine the submission if you didn't have enough cards. Not sure if anyone on here had that plan, however.
Three of my favorites!
I had to do a forum search to figure out what the heck MAG 7 stood for. Ironically, the answer was in a query you posted asking the exact same question four years ago! And thanks for the reply!
OK....I give. What does MAG 7 mean? I did a forum search and only found a MAG 7 reference to "magnificent 7" forum collectors. And a Google search provided a gun called the MAG-7.
Why wouldn't there be a MAG-9 that includes Spic and Spill and Grime Heavy? Or even an 11 that includes Oddie Boy and Scoot No Copyright?
I imagine because those you mentioned are variations, not pulled titles.
Weren't those four 1st series just one sticker per sheet and not pulled?
I believe I was told that some variations were not included because they were either not discovered at the time or they should be omitted (for one reason or another).
I thought the Mag 7 was
Band Ache
Run Tony
Spic and Span
Bum Chex
Choke Wagon
Grime Heavy
Pupsi
....and then it became Mag 8 when Scoot N/C was added.
I thought the Mag 7 was
Band Ache
Run Tony
Spic and Span
Bum Chex
Choke Wagon
Grime Heavy
Pupsi
....and then it became Mag 8 when Scoot N/C was added.
I thought the Mag 7 was
Band Ache
Run Tony
Spic and Span
Bum Chex
Choke Wagon
Grime Heavy
Pupsi
Somehow, my Series 12 set was a 2020 certificate award winner! Not sure what the criteria are, but cool nonetheless!You had the highest graded set at the cut off date in May.
You had the highest graded set at the cut off date in May.
I thought the Mag 7 wasYou are exactly correct. There were like 10 of us collectors who named the mag 7 at the time, Scott B, John M, me, Jeff W, Jeff M, Dennis W(corrected), Scot L, Dave G, Brian L all trading and trying to collude to hold prices down on ebay with yielding to each other which of course was a disaster.
Band Ache
Run Tony
Spic and Span
Bum Chex
Choke Wagon
Grime Heavy
Pupsi
....and then it became Mag 8 when Scoot N/C was added.
I haven't gotten around to posting it, but I recently acquired a Cover Ghoul PSA 8...
I haven't gotten around to posting it, but I recently acquired a Cover Ghoul PSA 8...
Congrats. I also recently added two PSA 8 stickers to my middlin' 15th series set - Catgobite Detergent and Smell Motor Oil. Bought both from the eBay. Quick question - is Rob from eBay store inlineonlinecollectables a member of this forum?
Congrats. I also recently added two PSA 8 stickers to my middlin' 15th series set - Catgobite Detergent and Smell Motor Oil. Bought both from the eBay. Quick question - is Rob from eBay store inlineonlinecollectables a member of this forum?
You are exactly correct. There were like 10 of us collectors who named the mag 7 at the time, Scott B, John M, me, Jeff W, Jeff M, David W, Scot L, Dave G, Brian L all trading and trying to collude to hold prices down on ebay with yielding to each other which of course was a disaster.
Thanks. Do you have your set in the registry? And, I don't think he is on the forum. In case you didn't know, he is "ghosts1157" on the registry.
For example, here's a link to my 5th Series: https://www.psacard.com/psasetregistry/non-sports/company-sets/1974-topps-wacky-packages-series-5-basic/publishedset/278753 (https://www.psacard.com/psasetregistry/non-sports/company-sets/1974-topps-wacky-packages-series-5-basic/publishedset/278753)
Edit: It's a 5th Series Cover Ghoul.
I'm the missing 10th in the list, and collude is such an ugly word. Why don't we say, not compete against each other to drive up the prices. Ah, the good old days.LOL, no I am an idiot, I have you listed as David W, I will fix it
LOL, no I am an idiot, I have you listed as David W, I will fix it
What is a good price on a Dr.Ono PSA 10?
No, haven't even thought about joining the registry yet. Like I said, my 15th series set is middlin' at best with only eight graded cards - all PSA 8.
Too funny! My father-in-law accidentally had David and Lisa printed on the napkins for our wedding. She used to date a David, and it didn't end well, so she's glad the mistake was caught before they were put on the tables.wow, ex boyfriend name on wedding napkins!
I have a 2nd, 6th, and 7th sets with 1 title per. I have unpublished the 6th and 7ths (never formally started the 2nd) but I don’t think there’s a reason not to start a set in the registry with eight titles. It’s up to you, of course, but why not? I went a fair bit without eight titles in my 5th series, and of course it’s my most populous now but that’s somewhat irrelevant.
Do you need a PSA membership to start a set on the registry?
Nope.
I figured it out - I'm in! 8)
Does anyone know who owns the PSA10 of Hurts 2nd series tan back? Looking to trade for my 10 3rd series Dr.Ono.
Welcome aboard! I’d be number 1 on the 15ths if I could only complete the set. Same for 11th... 😂Your sets are a labour of love as you don't just look at the grade but at the overall appearance of the card. I am sure you could have picked up many a card, but you turned it down for one reason or another. I know when I have obtained cards from you that they are on the higher end of that grades spectrum. Yours truly is an awesome collection.
Does anyone know who owns the PSA10 of Hurts 2nd series tan back? Looking to trade for my 10 3rd series Dr.Ono.What is your PSA registry name?
Your sets are a labour of love as you don't just look at the grade but at the overall appearance of the card. I am sure you could have picked up many a card, but you turned it down for one reason or another. I know when I have obtained cards from you that they are on the higher end of that grades spectrum. Yours truly is an awesome collection.
Does anyone know who owns the PSA10 of Hurts 2nd series tan back? Looking to trade for my 10 3rd series Dr.Ono.Most of Mike Blocks retired collection went to Eric. You will never see those cards again, he just doesn't really sell his cards. (unless he upgraded, but you really can't upgrade a 10)
I figured it out - I'm in! 8)
Awesome, by the way. Looks like a nice start to your 15th Series. Good luck (Especially with Jerkitol).
I’m not sure, but assuming it’s someone to the tune of Eric Roberts, I’d give you fat chance. I’d also say that Hurts is a tougher title alone, let alone being a tan back as well.Why would Hurts be tougher than Dr Ono when Dr Ono is a pulled title? I have 23 Tan Hurts and 13 Dr Onos.
Does anyone know who owns the PSA10 of Hurts 2nd series tan back? Looking to trade for my 10 3rd series Dr.Ono.Eric already has PSA 10 Dr Ono and Hurts tan.
Why would Hurts be tougher than Dr Ono when Dr Ono is a pulled title? I have 23 Tan Hurts and 13 Dr Onos.
Hurts is tougher because of the very thin borders. And as usual, no one is saying it is tougher to find, just tougher to get a high PSA grade.As usual? I do laugh at the concept of thinner borders being tougher on centering....a title is either centered or it is not regardless of the borders. One could argue the lack of centering is less obvious with wider borders but it doesn't change the facts around the centering and competent grading would find off centering whether obvious or not.
In high grade, I see Hurts being tougher on centering (especially being a tan back) than Dr. Ono. I don’t even see how Dr. Ono being a pulled title makes it that much more expensive, it’s worth a couple dollars more. It is no Choke Wagon.I don't recall anyone saying "that much more expensive" but nonetheless, as you said, it is worth a few bucks more. My collection accumulating was someone non discriminative and the ratios I have seem to exactly match the perceive rarities and title counts from sheets. I have 23 tan Hurts and 13 Dr Onos so at least I am basing my statement on some empirical evidence.
I don't recall anyone saying "that much more expensive" but nonetheless, as you said, it is worth a few bucks more. My collection accumulating was someone non discriminative and the ratios I have seem to exactly match the perceive rarities and title counts from sheets. I have 23 tan Hurts and 13 Dr Onos so at least I am basing my statement on some empirical evidence.
Other than the "first card in set" suffering from rubber band bends theory I believe all cards have equal chances for wear and tear and I maintain there is no basis to think with proper competent grading, Hurts tans are less likely to be found in PSA10.
If there is less border space, there is more sensitivity. 50/50 will become 75/25 with less movement of the sheet if there is less border space to start with.You have highlighted again the ridiculousness of the grading process. 75/25 is 75/25 regardless of borders. If a card is off center, it is off center. The copyright positioning should dictate the centering not the width of borders. In terms of empirical evidence, that merely highlights more people have submitted Dr Ono which is perceived to be the more valuable card in hopes to get a good grade. 80 Ajerx whites were submitted with 1 PSA 10s, so now Ajerx wider border is suddenly harder to find in PSA 10 than Hurts narrow borders? It is a fact that there are fewer Dr Onos in the wild per it being pulled yet it is one of the most submitted series 3 cards....proves my point, people are chasing high grade on a perceived rare card.
But if you want empirical evidence, there have been 55 Hurts tans submitted, with 5 PSA 9s and 1 PSA 10.
There have been 100 Onos submitted with 13 PSA 9s and 4 PSA 10s. That is fairly compelling evidence that for whatever reason, Hurts tan is the tougher high grade card.
I don't recall anyone saying "that much more expensive" but nonetheless, as you said, it is worth a few bucks more. My collection accumulating was someone non discriminative and the ratios I have seem to exactly match the perceive rarities and title counts from sheets. I have 23 tan Hurts and 13 Dr Onos so at least I am basing my statement on some empirical evidence.
Other than the "first card in set" suffering from rubber band bends theory I believe all cards have equal chances for wear and tear and I maintain there is no basis to think with proper competent grading, Hurts tans are less likely to be found in PSA10.
Not all cards have equal chance for centering issues, however. 8-lives? Clammy? Muleburro? Choke Wagon? Now, lets compare those to Heave Cigarettes, for one. Clearly, that title is one of the easiest in the original series and the others I mentioned are some of the most difficult. They are not equally distributed in high grade.You have no data that says the reason the 54 other Hurts didn't get PSA 10 was due to centering. Dave's empirical evidence actually proves nothing. 62% of Dr Ono's submitted are PSA8 and higher, 50% of Hurts tan are PSA8 or higher. Given the sample size is 100 or less for each and you have no data that indicates the REASON for the grade, you have no evidence the centering is a factor. Again, I get it, from an eye appeal point of view, thin border off center is more obvious but stop claiming that defines centering because it shouldn't. If a Dr Ono is off center by 10% so its copyright is shifted to the right by 10%, then it is 10% plain and simple. If a Hurts if off center by 10% and its expected copyright placement is off center by 10% but that wipes out half the thin border, it is off center by 10%!!! If you guys are claiming the hurts will be graded as something worse than 10% due to the % of border shift then you proved my point, grading is a crock.
I don’t understand your point. I said Hurts was tougher in high grade than Dr. Ono and ratios per grade can prove that. There’s ~1:2 Hurts Tan PSA 10’s/Dr. Ono PSA 10’s. Allowing room for error, that one Hurts may not even be deserving of that ten. But, with four Dr. Onos, I would like to believe confidence would allow one definite ten. Even with more submitted Dr. Onos, I still don’t think it changes the fact that Hurts as a tan back is tougher.
You have no data that says the reason the 54 other Hurts didn't get PSA 10 was due to centering. Dave's empirical evidence actually proves nothing. 62% of Dr Ono's submitted are PSA8 and higher, 50% of Hurts tan are PSA8 or higher. Given the sample size is 100 or less for each and you have no data that indicates the REASON for the grade, you have no evidence the centering is a factor. Again, I get it, from an eye appeal point of view, thin border off center is more obvious but stop claiming that defines centering because it shouldn't. If a Dr Ono is off center by 10% so its copyright is shifted to the right by 10%, then it is 10% plain and simple. If a Hurts if off center by 10% and its expected copyright placement is off center by 10% but that wipes out half the thin border, it is off center by 10%!!! If you guys are claiming the hurts will be graded as something worse than 10% due to the % of border shift then you proved my point, grading is a crock.
I never said centering was the grade itself, I said that Hurts was more difficult in high grade, bar none. You gave the empirical evidence.LOL no it doesn't. I am not going to go into a full explanation of how statistics work here and when you decide you have meaningful results based on sample size. Please offer me as many Dr Onos that you can I will trade you my tan Hurts.
"62% of Dr Ono's submitted are PSA8 and higher, 50% of Hurts tan are PSA8 or higher"
This is proving that Dr. Ono's are more likely in high grade and I would like to believe that 12% is beyond the margin of error.
(https://i.postimg.cc/PxbMz5qW/BE24-ED9-C-E83-D-4-CDD-AE5-A-A4-BC2-DE05-A91.jpg)I agreed already that the VISUAL impact is more but the CENTERING impact is the same!!! You just proved to me that the whole grading process is the crock I thought it was.
I agreed already that the VISUAL impact is more but the CENTERING impact is the same!!! You just proved to me that the whole grading process is the crock I thought it was.
You are certainly entitled to make up your own definition of centering, but yours is not the one used by card collectors.I agree, There is an example of a 10 on Ebay right now that is tragically off center: 1966 Make Your Own Name Stickers #24, I give it a 60/40 at best, never would I touch that. I also collect coins and in the numismatic world that would justify a "coffin slab". It is dead to a true collector seeking only perfect graded items.
LOL no it doesn't. I am not going to go into a full explanation of how statistics work here and when you decide you have meaningful results based on sample size. Please offer me as many Dr Onos that you can I will trade you my tan Hurts.
You are certainly entitled to make up your own definition of centering, but yours is not the one used by card collectors. Centering is defined as what percentage of the total border width is on each side. That is impacted more severely for a card with thinner borders.I had no idea that all this time you guys were collecting eye appeal perfection and not actually card perfection.
I agree, There is an example of a 10 on Ebay right now that is tragically off center: 1966 Make Your Own Name Stickers #24, I give it a 60/40 at best, never would I touch that. I also collect coins and in the numismatic world that would justify a "coffin slab". It is dead to a true collector seeking only perfect graded items.Sounds like the number of examples of nonsensical PSA grading is quite large.
Here you are again, skewing the difference between rarity as a title and rarity in high grade.The sample size and numerical differences in the number of PSA 10s of Tan Hurts and Dr Ono statistically indicate nothing and do nothing to support a theory that the thin borders are the reason for Tan Hurts having only the 1 PSA 10.
I never once said that Dr. Ono was more common than a tanback Hurts, so this statement: "Please offer me as many Dr Onos that you can I will trade you my tan Hurts." is completely trivial to the debate.
I agree, There is an example of a 10 on Ebay right now that is tragically off center: 1966 Make Your Own Name Stickers #24, I give it a 60/40 at best, never would I touch that. I also collect coins and in the numismatic world that would justify a "coffin slab". It is dead to a true collector seeking only perfect graded items.60/40 is acceptable for PSA 10
The sample size and numerical differences in the number of PSA 10s of Tan Hurts and Dr Ono statistically indicate nothing and do nothing to support a theory that the thin borders are the reason for Tan Hurts having only the 1 PSA 10.
I don’t even understand the argument at this point. I don’t think I ever stated that as a claim.This is your exact statement, really wasn't hard to dig up:
This is your exact statement, really wasn't hard to dig up:
"In high grade, I see Hurts being tougher on centering (especially being a tan back) than Dr. Ono. I don’t even see how Dr. Ono being a pulled title makes it that much more expensive, it’s worth a couple dollars more. It is no Choke Wagon"
Hurts is tougher on centering from a grading point of view because of the arbitrariness as Dave pointed out that a Hurts and Dr Ono with EXACT same cutting would result in the grading world thinking the Hurts is more off center. Why you think the tan back would impact centering is beyond me. I tried to explain to you that the PSA population guide indicating there are fewer Hurts 10's is not actually proof of anything given the small sample size and no details provided on why a title got a 9 vs 10 but that conversation is clearly not fruitful here.
PSA 10 allows for 60/40 centering which Faustxx highlighted is a crock so in the end you are right that a Hurts 10 would be harder to get than a Dr Ono 10 due to grading being focused on eye appeal(borders width) and not actually on the pristineness of the correct cut. If grading was based consistently on the cut, there is an equal chance that Dr Ono wouldn't be cut perfectly just like Hurts ie or equal chance of the exact cut in Dave's example.
All of this revalidated for me why I never considered collecting PSA graded cards nor will I ever and 100% of the time when I get one, I will sell it.
In terms of Dr Ono rarity itself, it is a 3rd row sticker that was pulled, it is a fact there are far less Dr Ono's than most of the rest of series 3 and I am certain there are fewer Dr Ono's than Hurts tans so again if grading was focused on the cut and not eye appeal of border widths, clearly there would be fewer Dr Ono 10s because there are fewer Dr Ono's in existence.
"...grading being focused on eye appeal(borders width) and not actually on the pristineness of the correct cut."Where did you read that I suggested a miscut card would be PSA 10? If topps intent is to cut cards so the cards overlap then that is a perfect cut. Obvious that is not the case so your suggesting is ridiculous. This conversation is going nowhere, obviously I can't convince you that the thin border impact is eye appeal based regardless of whether it is the industry standard. This will be my last attempt, let's assume a card with perfect centering has 1 cm border and another has 2 cm border. BOTH are miscut by .5 cm. The industry standard is to declare the 1 cm border card is more offcenter. It is flat out wrong...but the eye appeal is much worse on the 1 cm card, I get it, grading is on eye appeal. Call it what it is.
Are you suggesting a Clammy could be a PSA 10 with perfect centering even with part of Baby Runt's border on the card? How about Choke King's tilt?
It seems to me that the 60/40 is relational to the border space on the card rather than a universally. With less border space on the Hurts, even slight movement of the image to one side will make the proportion more skewed in juxtaposition to the card as a whole because of the lack of border space. This makes the 60/40 rarer.
great point on the clammy. that frustrates me that to get a higher grade you have to have another cards border on yours for centering. Grading really satisfies the OCD collector and then just to mess with you they add the cards that National spittoon mentionedI disagree, a perfectly cut Clammy has thinner border on top than bottom per the intent in cutting the sheet. IF the grading world has created some other rule for that to be perfect...oh well...
Yay! "Minutiae" is still alive in Wackys! It's like reading an argument from 1998!Psa is in no way shape or form experts in the stuff they grade.
(Anyone know why PSA didn't bother putting the series# on the Cover Ghoul & put 'green bottle' instead? Sounds really unofficial & lacking the more important info).
Two recent pickups...I don't ever send stuff to get graded, but I am having a hard time finding flaws with that Big Baddy. Should be at least a 9. Did they say what was wrong with it to make it only an 8?
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I don't ever send stuff to get graded, but I am having a hard time finding flaws with that Big Baddy. Should be at least a 9. Did they say what was wrong with it to make it only an 8?
If that's what you're asking, I didn't send it in. So, I don't know what the grader knocked points off for. The centering is good, sharp corners; it's glossy.When does PSA randomly decide to O/C qualify versus lowering the grade on centering? A guy just posted some PSA9's on facebook with O/C qualifiers which I hear kills the value of the card yet the centering is similar to your PSA8 Cover Ghoul.
The only thing that they may have taken a point off for was these printing marks above the first D in Baddy when holding it horizontally. You can slightly see it in the picture. I don't really feel like PSA crucifies you for this sort of thing, and visually it doesn't really bother me as it isn't very noticeable.
Last two recent acquisitions... (had trouble getting good images)that is a super sweet Mustard Charge!
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You can request no qualifiers and the card will lower two grades. So, the PSA 9 (OC) cards are essentially 7’s. Those cards might have other issues, who knows, but I’m not here saying PSA is consistent on these entirely.
And, thanks. The Mustard Charge is nicely centered, really like it. I only wish it was glossy.
You can request no qualifiers and the card will lower two grades. So, the PSA 9 (OC) cards are essentially 7’s. Those cards might have other issues, who knows, but I’m not here saying PSA is consistent on these entirely.I wouldn't swear the glossy, so many mustard charges look awful, yours is awesome! I wonder why July of 1975 was picked as the expiration date.
And, thanks. The Mustard Charge is nicely centered, really like it. I only wish it was glossy.
You can request no qualifiers and the card will lower two grades. So, the PSA 9 (OC) cards are essentially 7’s. Those cards might have other issues, who knows, but I’m not here saying PSA is consistent on these entirely.Clearly part of the reason your Cover Ghould was not higher than 8 is the centering so this could have been a PSA 10 o/c? Hopefully you are seeing why PSA grading especially around centering is a charade. When does centering drop a card one grade and when does it fall into o/c?
And, thanks. The Mustard Charge is nicely centered, really like it. I only wish it was glossy.
also what is up with the half grades? PSA 6.5? Really?Grader was named Charlie Brown...wishy-washy. Or was just a male: couldn't commit to 6 nor 7. lol
Clearly part of the reason your Cover Ghould was not higher than 8 is the centering so this could have been a PSA 10 o/c? Hopefully you are seeing why PSA grading especially around centering is a charade. When does centering drop a card one grade and when does it fall into o/c?There can be a 9(OC) but not a 10 (OC)
There can be a 9(OC) but not a 10 (OC)That's crazy! A card can be a perfect 9 except where centering is removed from the grade and instead is indicated by o/c
That's crazy! A card can be a perfect 9 except where centering is removed from the grade and instead is indicated by o/cI think to get a 10 can have no more than 55/45 (75/25 reverse) a 9 is 60/40 to 65/35 (90 /10 reverse)
but can't be a perfect 10 in the same manner?
I think to get a 10 can have no more than 55/45 (75/25 reverse) a 9 is 60/40 to 65/35 (90 /10 reverse)This is completely crazy and random either the centering meets the requirements for PSA9 or it doesn't. The whole qualifier thing is just a gimmick just like 1/2 point grades, PSA needs to rid both. PSA lost its way and now is owned by a private collector who is clearly going to rig the setup based on his collecting needs. Separation of powers should be the rule here and a grading company should be separated from collecting but since this is not truly a regulatory task such as financial auditing, there really are no rules, it is purely capitalism.
(OC) (off center) When the centering of the card falls below the Minimum standards for that grade will be designated "OC" PSA determines centering by comparing the measurements of the borders from left to right and top to bottom. The. centering is designated as the percent of the difference to the most off center part of the card. A 5% leeway is given to the front centering minimum standards for cards which grade NM 7 or better. For example, a card which meets all of the other requirements for PSA MINT 9 and measures 60/40 off center on the front automatically meets the requirements for Mint 9. If a card meets all of the other requirements for PSA MINT 9 and measures 65/35 off center on the front, it may be deemed to meet the PSA front centering for Mint 9 if the eye appeal of card is good. (copied word for word from PSA)
so how I read it, if it is within the 5% tolerance you will get the (OC) designation if all other aspects are nice. Or one grade lower with no designation?
The Main business at collectors universe is PCGS. The coin division is the main company. PSA came later to the table. Right now the board of directors are mostly coin collectors. PCGS in its field is rated one of the top grading companies. I truly do not think that going private is going to set it up for rampant fraud. 700 million is a lot to spend just to get better grades on a card. Without the trust of the people (the collectors) you have no company. I truly feel that the new ownership will take collectors universe to a new level and then they will take it public again. Being private allows the company to grow without having to answer to shareholders. Therefore the 700 million invested could go to grow the company and then take it back public (for at least 100 percent profit for the main buyer) or you can take the 700 million and flush it down the toilet and give yourself a few good grades and then unload them on the public. With that scenario there are too many people looking for a reason to rip on a company. If a card is an 8 and you put it in a 10 holder, you are opening yourself up to the same thing Becket Grading had to shed with its BGGS division. Joe Orlando who ran PSA until he was promoted to president of collectors universe. He is a collector and you don't hear about him selling un substantiated cards. The only problem that we have heard about is the PWCC one. I am pretty sure that it was not the company but. a few individuals. Any way in that exposure both companies had to spend more in damage control than what was made in altering cards. (also the FBI was involved because of money across state lines, so there are repercussions to outright fraud. However it all goes back to personal opinion. Not every collector has the knowledge that you have and can look at a card to get the final grade. Most people say their cards are mint when you can see the worlds in the corners and such. (just look at descriptions on eBay). Grading is an excepted leveler that allows the card to be graded by a TRUSTED (key word) company. Which intern earns the public trust and can be monitored more easily. They have more business than they can handle right now. That is why there is long wait times and cost per card is going up. All at the same time they are hiring more people to ramp up for the influx. Becket grading is the only other company (which is private) that comes close to values per card graded overall. There is a long wait time at Beckett grading, the wait time at SGC is not as long, however the values of a SGC card are not as high as PSA. If you take all three companies and just the card divisions take the same card, lets a 1953 Mantel in vg 3. PSA would be worth the most filled by a couple of hundred less Becket then a little bit less SGC. This is because of the trust the public has in your product. Going back to the top point 700 million will not be worth having a few more 10's in a collection.fair points for sure, he didn't drop $700 million only for his collection, he will still reap the rewards of the PSA Business itself but as you pointed out fraud exists and as a private company, there will be fewer eyes on them, I don't see that as upside. He grossly overpaid for the business as the stock price went way ahead of itself. My points about randomness of o/c qualfier and decimal grades hold true, mark my words, it will hurt them if they continue the charade with those. Anytime you need a whole discussion to explain the grading process making it look more subjective and random than it already is, will destroy its main purpose. Crispness in rules, conciseness in grades, consistent execution should be the only path. Whichever grading company gets closest to that will win. Hard to be 100% perfect in them all but PSA is trending away from it from what I see in wackys.
I am about to send my 8 proof 1973 tattoos to be graded, I am looking to buy anyone else's that may exist. Please PM me if you or someone you know has these. Matt.I would check with probstien. He seems to have the market cornered on "proof" items from Topps. I would contact PSA first to see if the will even grade "proof" items, before you send.
I am about to send my 8 proof 1973 tattoos to be graded, I am looking to buy anyone else's that may exist. Please PM me if you or someone you know has these. Matt.why would you grade a proof item? Wouldn't there only be one proof per item therefore there is no grading war on who's is the best?
I misspoke, these are not the proofs only never used or wrapped around the gum.Gotcha well there are loads of those in the wild so you should get some hits when you adjust your ask and remove the word "proof".
Got these two for Christmas...Are you building a 2nd series set of 8's? or just PSA graded in general? Which are you missing? Matt.
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Are you building a 2nd series set of 8's? or just PSA graded in general? Which are you missing? Matt.
An upgrade. Not glossy unfortunately, but the centering is very nice for this title!
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That centering really is good. Mine is a glossy 8, but the centering is much worse.
4th glossies aren’t very common unfortunately. I think I only had two or three in my pre-PSA keeper set as opposed to the 5ths which I think were the majority in my set. And I don’t think I’ve ever owned a single 6th glossy.
I know I had some 4th and 6th, but never a glossy Bum/Choke, or Runaway. I can't be certain about Shotwheels. I seem to remember at least seeing one once. A glossy run of 4-5-6 would probably be rarer than a run of 1-2 Ludlow & 3 White, I'd think. But just not as in-demand.
I bought three glossy 5th sets at the Philly show a few years ago. Completing a 5th glossy set should be easy, the other two not so much.
Scott, there was no premium. They were $35 per set. Almost all had uniform asterisks, so I imagine they were from a wax box that had been opened at some point, as they were mostly very high grade. It was a great find for me because up to that point it was not a series I had a lot of success with. And yes, they do look nice as PSA 9s!Nice no, better word would be Drool worthy :]
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Nice no, better word would be Drool worthy :]
Based on the cert number it was definitely from the same submission. And if I submitted it, I definitely did not think it was a 7 either!!Left right centering didn't kill it?
If you measure it, it is actually better than 60/40, which is acceptable for a 9. I agree it may not have 9 eye appeal due to the slight diamond cut, but certainly plenty acceptable for an 8.Now that I understand PSA grades on centering eye appeal and not true card centering, this doesn't look close to 60/40 visually, I am shocked that it actually measures to 60/40 but my money is on left right centering yielded the PSA 7.
Is that a little printing flaw in the top border between the C and the R in Cram and another one in the top left edge when the sticker is oriented correctly? Or are they from something that was on the scanner?
I think PSA grading is like judging figure skating or gymnastics at the Olympics. Just come up with a measurable criteria and apply it to every one. Measurement is truth; otherwise it's just a guess.
That does seem like a printing flaw as I just examined the card again. I honestly don't know if it's diamond cut, and if it is, it is extremely subtle. I still think the centering is good enough for this to be an 8, and visually I like this one. I honestly doubt that PSA wouldn't give it a higher grade because of the "diamond cut" anyway, because I have seen much worse diamond cuts before graded 7's or higher.PSA is not considered to be impartial?
We really do need someone knowledgeable on these to grade... and also be impartial.
PSA is not considered to be impartial?
You must know something that I don't!
"We really do need someone knowledgeable on these to grade... and also be impartial."
Usually people don't express a need for something that already exists so I took your comment as your suggesting PSA wasn't impartial.
Since this hobby is a tight niche, the grader might try to do their friend a favor and give a better grade
That's already been expressed as an ongoing problem. The difference between a 9 and a 10 for certain high demand items (sports cards mostly) can be a substantial amount of money, so the temptation of doing a favor for a friend or some cash under the table is a very real concern. Without a published criteria for what defines what grade, and transparency on individual items' grades, it will always be seen as subjective. Unfortunately they will never publish this because it's considered proprietary, just like credit scores.agreed, this is not a wacky packages issue, this is an issue with grading in general. The fact that the same card can be PSA 9 O?C or PSA7 depending on whether you accept a qualifier is nutty! There should be no such thing as qualifiers and half grades all cards graded with same criteria and should not be based on eye appeal, centering is centering regardless of the "width" of the borders but PSA's primary goal is not accuracy, it is to make MONEY!!! Accuracy is a flex term that will flex in the direction of money, half grades means money, half grades it is. Qualifiers means money, qualifiers it is.
agreed, this is not a wacky packages issue, this is an issue with grading in general. The fact that the same card can be PSA 9 O?C or PSA7 depending on whether you accept a qualifier is nutty! There should be no such thing as qualifiers and half grades all cards graded with same criteria and should not be based on eye appeal, centering is centering regardless of the "width" of the borders but PSA's primary goal is not accuracy, it is to make MONEY!!! Accuracy is a flex term that will flex in the direction of money, half grades means money, half grades it is. Qualifiers means money, qualifiers it is.
As more and more wackys are submitted to PSA, it’s becoming clear that this is the toughest 1st series title in high grade....
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As more and more wackys are submitted to PSA, it’s becoming clear that this is the toughest 1st series title in high grade....
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Yes. I have yet to see a perfectly centered Kook Aid. Even your's is slightly OC vertically but much better than average. It's fun because I hope to get not only a centered 1st series version, but also a diecuts version! And, they have their own plethora of issues.
That is really beautiful! I assume you submitted that one yourself?
Yes. I think it’s pretty typical that really low pop examples are marginal. Same for my Floral.PSA only goes for visual centering, they have no idea where the copyright "should be" on perfectly centered card. they would need an uncut sheet to make this determination. This one you have graded her looks awesome but is it the angle of the scan that makes it look like a T cut ie the top edge is wider than the bottom edge?
I think what makes this title tough is the copyright is so far below the image, even when it is properly centered the visual impression is that it is OC.
PSA only goes for visual centering, they have no idea where the copyright "should be" on perfectly centered card. they would need an uncut sheet to make this determination. This one you have graded her looks awesome but is it the angle of the scan that makes it look like a T cut ie the top edge is wider than the bottom edge?
It does have a slight flare cut on the top right, which is common for titles on the edge of the sheet. I opened multiple 1st reissue boxes and all my Mrs. Kleans and Viles had it!How can such a flare qualify for PSA9? Now I really have no idea what criteria PSA is using, not eye appeal, not real centering either. I thought any flaw visible with naked eye dropped it to PSA8 and only magnifying glass and such distinguished 9's and 10's.
How can such a flare qualify for PSA9? Now I really have no idea what criteria PSA is using, not eye appeal, not real centering either. I thought any flaw visible with naked eye dropped it to PSA8 and only magnifying glass and such distinguished 9's and 10's.
I’m not sure where you got these ideas. 🙂 PSA grading is largely based on centering and corner/surface wear. Most aspects of grading (with the exception of centering) are not quantifiable, and as a result, are interpreted differently by different graders.
I submitted a Soggy Babies (another edge of sheet title) that had a noticeable flare cut. The first time it came back N8 Miscut. Upon resubmission, it graded a PSA 10.
As someone generally looking to criticize PSA, you will surely see this as a sign of incompetence. But the fact is, anything that is not quantifiable is subjective. A flare cut can vary on a continuum from barely noticeable to awful. Yes, so can corner wear. All of these non-quantifiable factors are ultimately subjective, and there is really no way around that.
So while anal collectors would love it if there were a completely deterministic grading process that would yield identical results when repeated, that is unfortunately not possible. That’s why graders with experience who can be reasonably consistent are the best we can hope for, and the buyer bears some responsibility in making sure he is happy with the card no matter how it is graded.
I’m not sure where you got these ideas. 🙂 PSA grading is largely based on centering and corner/surface wear. Most aspects of grading (with the exception of centering) are not quantifiable, and as a result, are interpreted differently by different graders.It IS QUANTIFIABLE! That is the problem here. with all the measuring devises out there, either it is flare cut or it is not. From there, % of flare cut determines impact on grade. It is outrageous that items can be resubmitted and get new grades. I really am at a loss as to why you feel PSA has a better eye than you do and that you are willing to pay them money for this. You have a super accurate critical eye, slab them yourself. PSA's word and measurement of this is a completely arbitrary number at this point.
I submitted a Soggy Babies (another edge of sheet title) that had a noticeable flare cut. The first time it came back N8 Miscut. Upon resubmission, it graded a PSA 10.
As someone generally looking to criticize PSA, you will surely see this as a sign of incompetence. But the fact is, anything that is not quantifiable is subjective. A flare cut can vary on a continuum from barely noticeable to awful. Yes, so can corner wear. All of these non-quantifiable factors are ultimately subjective, and there is really no way around that.
So while anal collectors would love it if there were a completely deterministic grading process that would yield identical results when repeated, that is unfortunately not possible. That’s why graders with experience who can be reasonably consistent are the best we can hope for, and the buyer bears some responsibility in making sure he is happy with the card no matter how it is graded.
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It is priority pricing. I agree with your assessment, this is going to hurt registry collectors. People will still send in PSA lottery cards (Marvel cards and pokeman come to mind). I hope that the pricing comes down, however if you have a supply of 9 months backlog and it is not stopping, I would also keep raising the price. It will also open the door to a new company if the quality of the new card is good. CGC who does comics introduced a new card grading system. Right now it does mostly pokemon cards, but I would be willing to try other cards. I do hope the prices level lower but with the modern cards blowing everything away, i just don't see it.I think they have gone for a whole new model of high margins and fewer slabs. I doubt their 9 month backlog is the same number of cards being graded as any previous 9 month period.
I actually made up a Value submission last week but held off on shipping because there was one more card I decided to add at the last minute. Looks like I won't be adding - or shipping - any cards now.Actually it completely makes sense. they can't possibly be making any money on $5 grading. They can get rid of huge overhead in number of graders, go for higher margin on fewer slabs and try to make it look like PSA grading is really premium grading as opposed to now where it is just a massive saturation of cards. Folks who want the "best collection" are still going to spend the money, watch and see. I am sure PSA would rather make $100 grading one card than $100 grading 20 cards(plus 20 times the labor cost)
There can't be any way this works out well for PSA - I would bet this dramatic (double!) increase in pricing not only reduces their submission volume by more than half but also drives many, many of their customers to the competition.
On the value level, no one is going to pay $20 to have, for example, a 1972 hockey, football or baseball card graded when PSA 8 commons regularly sell for that or less. And I can't see many people wanting to pay $100 for a regular submission unless they are confident the card is going to sell for a minimum of $500. SMH.
Actually it completely makes sense. they can't possibly be making any money on $5 grading. They can get rid of huge overhead in number of graders, go for higher margin on fewer slabs and try to make it look like PSA grading is really premium grading as opposed to now where it is just a massive saturation of cards. Folks who want the "best collection" are still going to spend the money, watch and see. I am sure PSA would rather make $100 grading one card than $100 grading 20 cards(plus 20 times the labor cost)
Um, well the 1% are called such for a reason; and the other 99% of us find this not economical so no, I don't see too many of us sending cards in even though we want the "best collection".Sardonic tone noted, don't shoot the messenger, I am giving you a business case for what PSA is doing. you know I am not a fan of PSA and qualifiers and half point grades and the fact they are really grading eye appeal and not true centering.... Not for nothing but the average wacky pack collector with average spending is not trying to PSA grade his entire collection.....so 1% varies by discussion. That collector who is a few cards away from being #1 is going to spend the money, watch and see. PSA getting $300 from that person for 3 cards is more lucrative to them than getting $300 to grade 60 cards, paying for that much extra labor, and saturating the PSA graded card market. Now the guy who spent $300 knows the chances his cards stay #1 is higher as the saturation of graded cards comes to a halt...PSA needs to flush out the backlog of cards they are on the hook to grade and move to a new model.
Sardonic tone noted, don't shoot the messenger, I am giving you a business case for what PSA is doing. you know I am not a fan of PSA and qualifiers and half point grades and the fact they are really grading eye appeal and not true centering.... Not for nothing but the average wacky pack collector with average spending is not trying to PSA grade his entire collection.....so 1% varies by discussion. That collector who is a few cards away from being #1 is going to spend the money, watch and see. PSA getting $300 from that person for 3 cards is more lucrative to them than getting $300 to grade 60 cards, paying for that much extra labor, and saturating the PSA graded card market. Now the guy who spent $300 knows the chances his cards stay #1 is higher as the saturation of graded cards comes to a halt...PSA needs to flush out the backlog of cards they are on the hook to grade and move to a new model.
I understand the point you are trying to make, but just to clarify PSA had been charging $12 to grade a common card (from the Wacky era), not $5. The price has now nearly doubled to $20 (though they have lowered the minimum cards submitted under that tier from 20 to 10).I was responding to Dave's specific point about $5 deals. Those deals will NEVER be offered again. There is no reason for PSA to ever offer that again and they don't care about losing that population, low margin, makes the saturation even worse. Seems more will join my overall disdain for PSA.
I read online that PSA currently has a backlog of an estimated 9 MILLION cards to grade, with one customer alone submitting more than 400,000 cards. They have hired 125+ new graders to deal with the massive backlog but the pace of submissions has increased exponentially over the last few months and shows no sign of abating. So it sounds like the price increase is intended by PSA as a sort of firebreak to try to slow the firestorm of cards being submitted. Now they will just have to wait to see when the conflagration is finally stopped if it isn't actually their largest customer base they have extinguished instead.
Maybe if everyone actually stops grading their cards
If this happened, wouldn't the world come to an end - not with a bang but a whimper. Would we now have junk PSA? I guess I just don't understand the entire PSA craze, just like I don't understand the need for more than one earring in each ear or tattoos all over someone's body. If this is the end of the world as we know it, I'll feel fine.
Just so you know, that was sarcasm - all but the I'll feel fine.
There is not much to understand. If you care about having a card in extremely nice condition, PSA offers the most efficient way to obtain that. If you don’t care, it is of no use to you.
There is not much to understand. If you care about having a card in extremely nice condition, PSA offers the most efficient way to obtain that. If you don’t care, it is of no use to you.
That part I understand. What I don't understand is why it's so crazy now that there is a 9 million card backlog. I would be willing to bet that the number of collectors who really care is miniscule compared to just the number of cards that are waiting to be graded. This was supposed to be a hobby - something that you do in your spare time to have fun. It's become a very ugly business. It hasn't affected Wacky Packages as much because we are in a niche market.
The sports card world has gotten crazy with PSA fever. I just sold a couple of unopened boxes of 1989 Low Number Upper Deck Baseball to a friend. He opened every pack to get one Ken Griffey, Jr. rookie to slab. He doesn't care about any of the other 1,079 cards in the box. That's what I don't understand. Maybe I'm just too old school.
That part I understand. What I don't understand is why it's so crazy now that there is a 9 million card backlog. I would be willing to bet that the number of collectors who really care is miniscule compared to just the number of cards that are waiting to be graded. This was supposed to be a hobby - something that you do in your spare time to have fun. It's become a very ugly business. It hasn't affected Wacky Packages as much because we are in a niche market.
The sports card world has gotten crazy with PSA fever. I just sold a couple of unopened boxes of 1989 Low Number Upper Deck Baseball to a friend. He opened every pack to get one Ken Griffey, Jr. rookie to slab. He doesn't care about any of the other 1,079 cards in the box. That's what I don't understand. Maybe I'm just too old school.
I wonder how many really nice raw cards that turn up won't get graded now, even if they are tough to find in high grade condition.
Well, I know it won't bankrupt PSA, but I had nine nice NM/NM+ 15th series cards I was ready to grade (as part of a 20 card Value submission) that I now won't be. At $12 a card I was willing to risk my grading being off and having one or all come back PSA 7, but not at $20 per card (plus shipping).
There is not much to understand. If you care about having a card in extremely nice condition, PSA offers the most efficient way to obtain that. If you don’t care, it is of no use to you.How is PSA more efficient when your eye is far more discerning than PSA graders?
PSA has been hijacked by a horde of speculators who see unopened packs of sports cards as a lottery ticket, not as something to collect. And, honestly, the card companies have become accomplices (I believe Panini sells their current football packs - with four cards inside - for $125 per pack!). These gamblers buy packs to rip, ship and flip them as soon as they return from PSA. This is as big a bubble as tulip mania, and IMO much more dangerous for the hobby than the bubble in the 1990s. Kids caught up in the frenzy are going to get burned and will swear off cards, leaving just the old school guys once again.
I think a lot of people are submitting mass quantities of brand new cards, like Topps Now stuff, to get a Gem Mint 10 grade. That I just don't get. It's new, was never in a pack, and was shipped in a sleeve! Why not just keep it that way?
How is PSA more efficient when your eye is far more discerning than PSA graders?
How is PSA more efficient when your eye is far more discerning than PSA graders?
Even getting the older stuff slabbed doesn't always make sense unless it's super rare and you want to authenticate it. Is the joke on a Wacky Package funnier because the sticker is well centered and has no dinged corners or has been graded a 9 or 10? Do we collect for the enjoyment of what's in the product or do we collect as an investment? I do the former. Earlier in life I did the latter, but now I just keep what I like and don't worry about anything else.
Liking items to be in nice condition does not necessarily mean one is collecting for investment.
Agreed!but...you don't need PSA to define nice condition....so investment value is of course part of it. My keeper collection is super nice and meets my eye appeal. Why on earth would I need to have them all slabbed by PSA? the ONLY reason I would do that is resale investment value. PSA is not any smarter about what I like than me..... and we can see PSA is grading eye appeal, not true card centering.
but...you don't need PSA to define nice condition....so investment value is of course part of it. My keeper collection is super nice and meets my eye appeal. Why on earth would I need to have them all slabbed by PSA? the ONLY reason I would do that is resale investment value. PSA is not any smarter about what I like than me..... and we can see PSA is grading eye appeal, not true card centering.
Speaking of...Nice card Mark.
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so of course I buy another collection(series 1-15) and the white backs in series 2, 14 and 15 are as nice and white and pristine as any I have ever seen. I can almost smell gum these seem so fresh. These cards clearly stayed with one owner and stored away. The only issue is some have the rubber band feel along the edge like at first the owner rubber banded them before sticking the sets in plastic bags by set. PSA candidates that will never see the light of day with PSA.....
I commend you, my old friend, on your resolve not to PSA. If everything in the world got "slabbed", we'd never actually handle anything anymore. Trading cards aren't so bad as you can still appreciate the full front and back... but comic books don't make any sense to slab unless they're miraculous 10's that you'd never even touch with gloves, as it just reduces them to "covers" rather than books. Seems to me the only thing worth paying to get authenticated is autographs, but then again, it's still just someone's opinion.
Can you image what we'd all have said as kids if some dude in a suit popped out of the ice-cream truck right after we unwrapped a pristine 4th series pack and snatched our "Bum Chex" out of our hands, charging us $20 to put it in a plastic box before we could add it to our rubberbanded stack and pencil it in on the checklist? I'm thinking slingshot to the groin with a half-eaten 'gob-stopper'.
...comic books don't make any sense to slab unless they're miraculous 10's that you'd never even touch with gloves, as it just reduces them to "covers" rather than books. Seems to me the only thing worth paying to get authenticated is autographs, but then again, it's still just someone's opinion.
I'm guessing you're not a comic collector, but for those who are (like myself) comic grading is invaluable and has grown the hobby by leaps and bounds. Gone are the days when raw comics were the only option and unscrupulous sellers at shows could routinely try to hawk raw comics they knew (or often didn't know) had been altered by nearly undetectable color touch and/or trimming of the covers. CGC grading offers buyers protection against restoration and confirmation the comic they've bought has been accurately graded (extra important in this age of eBay). Once the comic is in hand, feel free to crack it out and read it, admire it and add it to your collection. And for sellers, having your comic graded means a far better chance of recouping fair market value vs. the potential pitfalls of trying to sell ungraded comics.
Of course, this doesn't mean all comics should be graded, but nowadays nearly all comics worth $100 or more will fare far better on the open market with the price of grading (which can be as low as $16) added. Additionally, as someone who collects comics, cards, coins, stamps, etc., I can tell you that graded comics are by far the most liquid collectible.
This style of case presents really well. And this is for collectible comics, if you want ones to read, you can buy trade paperbacks or beat up reader copies.
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Funny how some 9.6s look awful these days, but others look great. Must be a function of what kind of defects bother one....
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Beautiful, perfectly centered copy with razor sharp corners - hard to believe it isn't a 9.8!ok so grading it recovers the cost of grading and provides peace of mind since there is high criminal activity in comics. Why buy a highly graded item that you will never crack open? Assuming you are paying fair market value when you purchased it, you are hoping it will go up in value? Why would demand suddenly increase when the number of people who collect these for nostalgic value are dying off? Won't these eventually drop in value like early 1900s tin soldiers? Is the whole thing like the stock market where people "hope" the next person in line wants to pay more for a stock that will NEVER pay dividends?
Graded (which costs $16 for 1975 or later) it easily sells for $100+
Ungraded (on eBay) you would be lucky to get $20...
Funny how some 9.6s look awful these days, but others look great. Must be a function of what kind of defects bother one....
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ok so grading it recovers the cost of grading and provides peace of mind since there is high criminal activity in comics.
Why buy a highly graded item that you will never crack open? Assuming you are paying fair market value when you purchased it, you are hoping it will go up in value?
Why would demand suddenly increase when the number of people who collect these for nostalgic value are dying off? Won't these eventually drop in value like early 1900s tin soldiers? Is the whole thing like the stock market where people "hope" the next person in line wants to pay more for a stock that will NEVER pay dividends?
Why buy a highly graded item that you will never crack open?
Dying off? You do realize that comics are still being printed and that many of these modern issues are selling for four figures. Instagram is filled with 20-something collectors who can't get enough of comics from all ages. And the movies and TV (Disney Channel - WandaVision, etc) are being fueled by comics. Trust me, comic collecting has exploded in popularity and the prices being paid for graded comics reflect the current state of the hobby.
These comments prompted me to look up some comics on ebay, and I see that even my Star Trek Gold Key/Whitman comics are back in demand. Those ran from 1967 into the late 70's. For a while, when I was trying to sell them off there was little interest, so I gave up. I hope shows come back soon, maybe I can sell the 1-61 run to a dealer.
Unfortunately, I don't think I have any DC books from that far back. Probably some Batman books back to 1984, and a long run starting around #400. There are at least 4 boxes of comics here; I never really gave any thought to grading them, and I think it would be more work and expense than I would want to commit to. Aside from the grading fees, I imagine the shipping adds up quickly! Those full long boxes are now too heavy for me to pick up :sad:
Thinking on it further, it might be worth grading the first 10 or so Star Treks, with the color photo covers. As I recall, they are in pretty nice shape.
I don’t understand this question. I am not buying CGC comics to read. I own tons of trade paperbacks and often buy low grade comics when I feel like reading them. I buy high grade comics because, for whatever reason, I enjoy having items from my childhood in nice condition. It is not intended as an investment, though monetary appreciation is certainly welcome. They make me happy. As a collector yourself I don’t really understand why this is so hard to understand.It is very hard for me to understand, I would never pay thousands of $ for a high graded band-ache ludlow when that money can be put towards something fun like an RV that I can enjoy with my family. Not sure why this is so hard to understand. Clearly you wouldn't do this if there was a chance all the value would drop on these things so value seems would be part of the equation but you insist it isnt therefore it isn't for you but think you are in the minority.
I would say more peace of mind in relation to poor grading on a seller's part than criminal activity (I am assuming you are calling undisclosed restoration a crime)why not buy every graded comic you can get your hands on given their value is almost certain to explode? Demand is clearly driven by speculation here. Nothing intrinsically is making an already graded coming go up in value. As more old comics are graded, it seems supply will increase so this speculation based bonanza needs demand to out pace the increasing supply.
Yes, there are comic collectors who approach the hobby as an investment and, based on recent sales, are making a boatload of money doing so.
Dying off? You do realize that comics are still being printed and that many of these modern issues are selling for four figures. Instagram is filled with 20-something collectors who can't get enough of comics from all ages. And the movies and TV (Disney Channel - WandaVision, etc) are being fueled by comics. Trust me, comic collecting has exploded in popularity and the prices being paid for graded comics reflect the current state of the hobby.
why not buy every graded comic you can get your hands on given their value is almost certain to explode?
Unfortunately, that is not the case. The vast majority of comics that are collected and have been exploding in value are Marvel comics. The DC that Paul_Maul collects - especially Superman - has barely moved in value despite the current surge in prices. The only hot DC right now is Batman (and always has been).
I don't know if you remember Harvey comics? I loved these when I was a kid in the 70s and have a collection from 1974-75 (the years I read them - I quickly outgrew them). Because these comics were bought by pre-teens off a comic rack and read and read and read (and collected by no one at the time) they are almost impossible to find in high (near mint) grade. And if you do find them in high grade off eBay you always run the risk of them being damaged in shipping.
For this reason whenever I see a graded NM Richie Rich from the years that I collect I almost always buy them. CGC graded guarantees the grade for me and also offers significant protection during shipping. I end up paying a premium for these (usually $75+) but if I don't I have almost zero chance of finding them in high grade - which is how I want them (and they look great in the CGC cases). Believe me, they are not an investment. I am pretty sure there are only a handful of collectors who chase Bronze Age Harvey and if I ever sold them I would be lucky to break even after shipping etc.
When it comes to grading you are obviously not a fan, but that is just one of the reasons why having collectibles graded appeals to me.
My first love is Bronze Age Superman books but I do collect some Marvels also. Primarily Spidey and X-Men.
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I’ve always wondered how CGC deals with a print flaw like this Spidey 101. There is no paper loss, it is just white spots resulting from some printing anomaly. Except for that it is nice.
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The same goes for Archie comics from the 60s and 70s - read and re-read over and over and no one was really collecting them to put away in mint condition. You're only chance of finding them unread is if they came in comic book discounted packs that are unopened. Not that they are worth a lot of money, but are nearly impossible to find. I always appreciate seeing a mint silver age comic!
Every once in awhile I would see old minty Harveys and Gold Key comics as pubishers copies on Ebay - assume these came from old printer archives. I had read that William Gaines kept mint wrapped unread issues of Mad comics from the beginning so that makes sense - Alex
If your Star Trek comics are in good condition they will definitely be in demand, as are many of the Batman comics from the mid 1980s. Condition is the main thing - in high grade nearly every comic from those eras will command a premium. If you can't find a local dealer interested you may want to try MyComicShop (mycomicshop.com). They take comics on consignment and, if your comics are ungraded but worth sending to CGC, will take care of the grading for you before listing them. You can also list ungraded comics there, but I believe the minimum value is $50. I have listed and sold many comics there (and bought lots too) and I can assure you they are first rate to deal with.
X-Men is always in demand and that ASM #300 (1st Venom) has gone off the charts. Still kicking myself for selling my CGC 9.2 copy thinking I would upgrade some day...
Those spots are weird. Are you sure it is a printing defect? Looks more like a tape pull.
X-Men is always in demand and that ASM #300 (1st Venom) has gone off the charts. Still kicking myself for selling my CGC 9.2 copy thinking I would upgrade some day...
Most of my near mint Harvey comics are file copies that the publisher saved and were sold after the company folded.
I wish I had some of those Gaines File Copies. William Gaines kept 12 fresh copies of every comic EC ever printed in file cabinets in his office. When they were finally sold they became a pedigree and are in almost every case the nicest copies of EC comics available (many were destroyed during the anti-comic backlash during the 1950s) and are always in high demand!
Unfortunately, that is not the case. The vast majority of comics that are collected and have been exploding in value are Marvel comics. The DC that Paul_Maul collects - especially Superman - has barely moved in value despite the current surge in prices. The only hot DC right now is Batman (and always has been).I am not I following but you buy them graded for shipping protection? I still have all my richie Rich and Dennis the Menace comics heavily read but in a bin somewhere.
I don't know if you remember Harvey comics? I loved these when I was a kid in the 70s and have a collection from 1974-75 (the years I read them - I quickly outgrew them). Because these comics were bought by pre-teens off a comic rack and read and read and read (and collected by no one at the time) they are almost impossible to find in high (near mint) grade. And if you do find them in high grade off eBay you always run the risk of them being damaged in shipping.
For this reason whenever I see a graded NM Richie Rich from the years that I collect I almost always buy them. CGC graded guarantees the grade for me and also offers significant protection during shipping. I end up paying a premium for these (usually $75+) but if I don't I have almost zero chance of finding them in high grade - which is how I want them (and they look great in the CGC cases). Believe me, they are not an investment. I am pretty sure there are only a handful of collectors who chase Bronze Age Harvey and if I ever sold them I would be lucky to break even after shipping etc.
When it comes to grading you are obviously not a fan, but that is just one of the reasons why having collectibles graded appeals to me.
Of course, this doesn't mean all comics should be graded, but nowadays nearly all comics worth $100 or more will fare far better on the open market with the price of grading (which can be as low as $16) added. Additionally, as someone who collects comics, cards, coins, stamps, etc., I can tell you that graded comics are by far the most liquid collectible.On a few past occasions I bought some short comic runs on ebay that happened to be in superb condition, not because I was necessarily shooting for top grade books - just threw out a modest bid and ended up winning, which happens quite a bit with eBay, especially if you bid on a variety of things. I thought that if I ever submitted any books for certified grading it would be those. Then, a few years ago I read somewhere that high-grade Marvel books become much more abundant when the cover price reached 30 cents, circa 1976. Well wouldn’t you know it, all the aforementioned books fall precisely in that class - Captain America low #200’s, Hulk low 200’s, Captain Marvel 40’s-50’s. So much for thinking I lucked out and got valuable books on the cheap.
PSA has suspended all submissions (except super express - $300 a card - and up) until at least July 1.
Geez, a crazy surge in submissions right after they raised their rates? "We recently received more cards in three days than we did during the previous three months." Maybe people were afraid of the next rate increase? Or, someone found a warehouse full of cards.I am feeling pretty confident in my predictions early, the days of $15 grading specials are gone forever. This should be good news for the folks with current PSA graded wackys as the flood of PSA material will stop but of course this "smaller" wacky packages market will move on to PSA competitors which will then become the new norm for wacky grading.
Picked up a triple upgrade from cardster....from a toned, PSA 8 possible wonder bread to a nice white, two asterisk PSA 9!
I just found out today that Tom Reynolds (aka lightningboy on the CU forum, aka cardster1 on eBay) died unexpectedly last August. I realize no one here knew him, but he was a good guy, an avid collector and had a soft spot for wackys. He had a real knack for finding nice collections. I bought some of my favorite graded wackys from him over the years. RIP Tom.
ahhh, throwing your hat into the 16th series ring I see. Lots of coipition in that end of the pool ;)
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Congrats! I only have an 8.5!Is PSA going to go to 2 significant decimals in the future? Can one get an 8.7 or 8.75 or 8.99999999999999 which really is a 9 but really isn't? 8)
Is PSA going to go to 2 significant decimals in the future? Can one get an 8.7 or 8.75 or 8.99999999999999 which really is a 9 but really isn't? 8)
I think the dead horse has been beat so hard it’s somehow living againThat is the funny part, you think decimals mean more accuracy with PSA when in fact it is nothing more than more confusing. Think about it this way, if there was 8.1 to 8.9 grades out there, you really think that leads to more accuracy? No chance....there will be 8.4's that appear better than 8.8s and even more endless debates but having 8.5 opens the door to why not a grade in between 8.5 and 9? Have they always done decimals? I doubt it which means some previously graded items are "really" 8.5s but they got 8's or 9's. The integrity of the whole grading system falls apart when the grading system changes but lets not pretend this is about integrity, this is about PSA making money and making sure their product is in demand.
It’s convulsing!
As someone who complains about PSA’s inaccuracy, who are you to complain about more accurate grades?
That is the funny part, you think decimals mean more accuracy with PSA when in fact it is nothing more than more confusing. Think about it this way, if there was 8.1 to 8.9 grades out there, you really think that leads to more accuracy? No chance....there will be 8.4's that appear better than 8.8s and even more endless debates but having 8.5 opens the door to why not a grade in between 8.5 and 9? Have they always done decimals? I doubt it which means some previously graded items are "really" 8.5s but they got 8's or 9's. The integrity of the whole grading system falls apart when the grading system changes but lets not pretend this is about integrity, this is about PSA making money and making sure their product is in demand.
Yeah, that was one of the cheaper ones on eBay and I like that card, so I went for it since I haven’t bought anything in a while. I’ll probably end up selling my raw Ghoul Humor to make a portion of the money back because I don’t have the entire series raw, so it isn’t like I’m breaking a set.Yup, fixed it on the original post.
Did you mean that there’s a lot of competition? I don’t understand the second sentence.
Never said I think that an 8.1 or 3.14 should exist but there’s a great canyon between 8s and 9s, that’s why an 8.5 makes sense to me. And, again, I don’t buy them because I love PSA but because I enjoy the competition behind it and the trust I have in the grade when I buy it. If I see a 9 that doesn’t look like a 9, I don’t buy it. It’s that simple.Wise move to interject your own opinion when evaluating these for sure! A big part of this is who has the best overall set and there really is no such thing when PSA8s from years ago would really be PSA 8.5s now. Also, I see very little reference to .5s on the POP report, what is up with that? There should be more 8.5s than 9's. Are there .5s between all grade or just 8 and 9 or is there really no rule to this?
Congrats! I only have an 8.5!8.5 means 8 1/2, right?
Wise move to interject your own opinion when evaluating these for sure! A big part of this is who has the best overall set and there really is no such thing when PSA8s from years ago would really be PSA 8.5s now. Also, I see very little reference to .5s on the POP report, what is up with that? There should be more 8.5s than 9's. Are there .5s between all grade or just 8 and 9 or is there really no rule to this?
In case it’s not obvious, there is no such thing as a “best set.” Impatient rich folk will almost always be “flip buyers” and so the highest graded sets usually don’t have great eye appeal unless the collector happens to value that. PSA 10s mean nothing to me, my 1972 baseball set has so many PSA 9s that look perfect, I can’t imagine caring about getting a 10.
8.5 means 8 1/2, right?Very good, you get a gold star on today's math quiz.
Your entire monologue about confusion is an opinion, so what’s in it for me explaining mine? I feel like you’re still only saying this because YOU have some vendetta against PSA even though you’re only grasping for straws finding “evidence” against them. Why can’t we just enjoy the cards?LOL vendetta and grasping at straws? Evidence for what?, just calling the buffoonery of the PSA grading system. You will see I don't like when companies enrich themselves at the expense of collectors as we tend to get very locked in on things and pour money into it. Super Impulse anyone? PSA baffoonery grading system, ebay fees( I love love love cutting ebay out of deals), I was the one who tried to kick off the "yield on ebay club with the MAG8 collectors so we weren't unnecessarily enriching sellers with our collector money.....etc....you guys have far better eye than PSA, save the money and encapsulate them yourselves as many have said they have some PSA 8s they prefer than PSA9s....um yeah, based on their own discerning eye! Yes of course in terms of trying to detect forgery and such on super high priced items if in fact PSA really can filter those out, have them authenticate.
In case it’s not obvious, there is no such thing as a “best set.” Impatient rich folk will almost always be “flip buyers” and so the highest graded sets usually don’t have great eye appeal unless the collector happens to value that. PSA 10s mean nothing to me, my 1972 baseball set has so many PSA 9s that look perfect, I can’t imagine caring about getting a 10."so the highest graded sets usually don’t have great eye appeal" this is nutty! Didn't you just acknowledge PSA grading is a crock of crap with that statement?
"so the highest graded sets usually don’t have great eye appeal" this is nutty! Didn't you just acknowledge PSA grading is a crock of crap with that statement?
Well, I guess eye appeal is subjective. They don’t penalize certain defects I find ugly, so I avoid those particular high grade cards. Other collectors care more about the numerical grade.Why would high grade cards inherently have negative eye appeal? Sorry I am clearly missing something here. I like your approach which is go what appeals to you and you have a great eye for this so I am still baffled why you would pay PSA to grade an item that you already love per your own eye appeal. The only thing at that point you can possibly be chasing from PSA is their perception of the number, there is no other value they are providing you.
Why would high grade cards inherently have negative eye appeal? Sorry I am clearly missing something here. I like your approach which is go what appeals to you and you have a great eye for this so I am still baffled why you would pay PSA to grade an item that you already love per your own eye appeal. The only thing at that point you can possibly be chasing from PSA is their perception of the number, there is no other value they are providing you.
LOL vendetta and grasping at straws? Evidence for what?, just calling the buffoonery of the PSA grading system. You will see I don't like when companies enrich themselves at the expense of collectors as we tend to get very locked in on things and pour money into it. Super Impulse anyone? PSA baffoonery grading system, ebay fees( I love love love cutting ebay out of deals), I was the one who tried to kick off the "yield on ebay club with the MAG8 collectors so we weren't unnecessarily enriching sellers with our collector money.....etc....you guys have far better eye than PSA, save the money and encapsulate them yourselves as many have said they have some PSA 8s they prefer than PSA9s....um yeah, based on their own discerning eye! Yes of course in terms of trying to detect forgery and such on super high priced items if in fact PSA really can filter those out, have them authenticate.
Okay, I’ll start up my own grading business.LOL nope not quite sure you are getting the point....grade your own wackys for yourself and keep the ones that meet your eye appeal and encapsulate them with screw downs. No money needs to change hands and owner is happy assuming there really has nothing to do with the PSA number....
Come one, come all! I’ll grade your Wackys... just need a $500,000 Kickstarter fund
LOL nope not quite sure you are getting the point....grade your own wackys for yourself and keep the ones that meet your eye appeal and encapsulate them with screw downs. No money needs to change hands and owner is happy assuming there really has nothing to do with the PSA number....It’s a valid point - if PSA’s grading standards, whether placing too much weight on defects that don’t bother you or too little on defects that do, or just inconsistently applying different standards at different times, are such that a collector would not accept their 8 or 9 as satisfactory sight unseen, then your personal grading standards are higher, or at least different from, PSA’s, so why not find raw cards that have the kind of eye appeal you’re after, preserve them in your own 1-card snaps, and forego all those insane fees?
...so why not find raw cards that have the kind of eye appeal you’re after, preserve them in your own 1-card snaps, and forego all those insane fees?
LOL nope not quite sure you are getting the point....grade your own wackys for yourself and keep the ones that meet your eye appeal and encapsulate them with screw downs. No money needs to change hands and owner is happy assuming there really has nothing to do with the PSA number....Screw downs are very bad for cards, do not use screw down holders it compresses the fibers of the card. You will get (min siz req) as a body bag on your cards
At the risk of stating the obvious, because it’s hard to find wackys in perfect condition ungraded, and even if such a sticker is on eBay, it’s hard to tell how nice it is from eBay pictures. You have to buy huge collections then flip 99.9% of them. I’d rather by (a subset) of high graded stickers with eye appeal I like. Even though it can be expensive, it’s a lot easier.Why is it so much easier to determine eye appeal of PSA items on ebay versus unslabbed items on ebay? Lets assume you seek a particular title in high grade, Kook Aid. You look at non slabbed auctions that have Kook Aid scans and pick one no differently than picking one of the PSA slabbed ones on ebay.
Screw downs are very bad for cards, do not use screw down holders it compresses the fibers of the card. You will get (min siz req) as a body bag on your cardsFair enough, what is a good holder for single cards? Snap tites?
Understood, I was thinking mainly about collectors who are seeking strong grades in certain respects that are important to them, but not necessarily absolute perfection. I probably don’t have the most well-trained eye for what places a card in the PSA 9.0 to 10.0 stratosphere, so I could be clueless as to the relative scarcity of cards that would make that cut. I was just recently thumbing through a few hundred common stickers from Series 3 to 8 that I had bought in various eBay lots over the years, and a lot of them look really nice and sharp to me, but for all I know, maybe none of them top a 6.0.Interesting point, PSA9 vs PSA 10. I doubt a glance of the card would detail the difference either so given you need a microscope to see the difference between PSA9 and PSA 10, eye appeal cant possibly be a determining factor. Who the heck takes out their cards and uses a microscope to review and enjoy them?
Given the relatively poor production standards of the era, the fragility of the flimsy card stock and tendency toward yellowing/browning over time, top-grade Wacky collectors really have their work cut out for them.
Interesting point, PSA9 vs PSA 10. I doubt a glance of the card would detail the difference either so given you need a microscope to see the difference between PSA9 and PSA 10, eye appeal cant possibly be a determining factor. Who the heck takes out their cards and uses a microscope to review and enjoy them?Maybe it’s the thrill of the hunt that brings the most gratification, more than the slabbed cards themselves. I’m sure there are those who experience a letdown after they’ve conquered their basic collection and all the tough titles, and want to take it to another level to keep that hunt going, maybe even on some level wanting to relive the fun of the original experience all over again.
Maybe it’s the thrill of the hunt that brings the most gratification, more than the slabbed cards themselves. I’m sure there are those who experience a letdown after they’ve conquered their basic collection and all the tough titles, and want to take it to another level to keep that hunt going, maybe even on some level wanting to relive the fun of the original experience all over again.but it was stated here the PSA number doesn't itself matter. Seems graded with eye appeal is the goal and not the monetary benefit of a higher grade. Perhaps deep down there really is the excitement of the monetary value after all. I know I just scored a sealed inflatable with two guys price tag on it, super excited about it as I find like one thing to add to my collection per year. Excited about its rarity but I am honest about it that getting it for $30 and knowing it is worth way more than that is also part of the appeal. Always funny to watch folks deny the "value" of item is not part of the deal.
I just saw an article in my local newspaper -a Long Island company called Genamint Inc. has been bought by Collector's Universe/PSA for their technology that utilizes AI to grade cards.this is ABSOLUTELY the direction this was going to go. It means the manual graders will mostly be let go and thru AI and high res scanning grades will be determined. This will lead to higher consistency, lower cost for PSA to grade and then perhaps lower cost back to the collectors to have items graded.
Why is it so much easier to determine eye appeal of PSA items on ebay versus unslabbed items on ebay? Lets assume you seek a particular title in high grade, Kook Aid. You look at non slabbed auctions that have Kook Aid scans and pick one no differently than picking one of the PSA slabbed ones on ebay.
I just saw an article in my local newspaper -a Long Island company called Genamint Inc. has been bought by Collector's Universe/PSA for their technology that utilizes AI to grade cards.https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/professional-sports-authenticator-acquires-genamint-to-introduce-next-generation-technology-to-grading-process-301273225.html
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/professional-sports-authenticator-acquires-genamint-to-introduce-next-generation-technology-to-grading-process-301273225.htmlIts interesting they need the fingerprint of an item to stop it from being regraded, that shouldn't be necessary if their AI grading system is so good, it should pick up corrected flaws or should give the same grade over and over for a non modified submitted card, the subjective-ness from human graders being removed. Trust me, they are going to allow resubmissions because it is $ for them and because with more precision comes more decimals. If their AI grading system can site differences between two PSA 8's why make them both an 8? The only question in my mind will be how many grades between 8 and 9 will they create? thenths, quarters, thirds, halves? I think they will pick a launching point for decimals like only PSa7 and higher or something.
Should help with the resubmitting to get better grades. That practice should stop then.
Did someone above mention a KOOK AID with eye appeal? No problem, I found one.LOL, not only is it NOT Scottish (it's crap!), it's not even a 1st series tan, it's a Wonderbread.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/202904530389?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
Its interesting they need the fingerprint of an item to stop it from being regraded, that shouldn't be necessary if their AI grading system is so good, it should pick up corrected flaws or should give the same grade over and over for a non modified submitted card, the subjective-ness from human graders being removed. Trust me, they are going to allow resubmissions because it is $ for them and because with more precision comes more decimals. If their AI grading system can site differences between two PSA 8's why make them both an 8? The only question in my mind will be how many grades between 8 and 9 will they create? thenths, quarters, thirds, halves? I think they will pick a launching point for decimals like only PSa7 and higher or something.Interesting point, I don't think they will go the way comics did once it hit a 9.0 (9.2,9.4,9.6 and 9.8). I do think the half grad is here to stay, in PSA grading standards they do explain why they use half point grades up to 8,5. I do agree with their assessment of why they do this. With the AI I think it will stop the resubmitting because of the hoping for the next grade factor will be eliminated. Now why I like it is I can grade a card really good. I come usually right on with what PSA grades it. However I get it graded for many reasons. 1). I love the registry. No other reason to go on about that point it is totally a subjective point. 2). I sell the cards to people as I upgrade. again I go with I know how to grade, bringing Dave into this I know he knows how to grade. However John Smith from Washington state does not know me. He has no Ideal why I am asking so much for a card, but with the graded card I have some consistency to offer and peace of mind with my collection to sell as I upgrade. From what I read of the new owners of PSA (and their other grading services (coin, Paper money Stamps tickets, books) they are going to solidify the services and come back stronger as soon as they catch up from all the submissions. CGC, is getting inundated with comic books that they are having the same pains that PSA is having. (personally if psa would make a TGC group separate from cards it would go smoother.) F*&ki&g Pokemon cards gumming up the works. There is a company, separate from PCGS that you can send a coin to once it is graded, I think it is called CAC. They will tell you if the coin is at the top end for the grade (green sticker) or if it would be solid in the next grade up ( gold sticker). I am glad that we don't have that, but It makes me wonder not if but when this craze will hit cards. PWCC already does this in their auctions, this actually is worse than the multitudes of decimals. Sorry for the run here, just wanted to get the information out there.
I will say that I would have preferred it not being as toned, because that is more avoidable than the inevitable miscut galore.
How do you folks store graded cards?
For my commons There are Boxes designed to hold PSA cards. For my actual collection I use pelican boxes (knock offs) from Harbor freight.
I am sorry, maybe I should put this on another thread, since my wackys aren't slabbed. I clicked on Harbor Freight 4800, it showed like metal James Bond looking briefcase, foam inserts, but it looked like they were specifically for camera and lenses. Are there specific ones for cards? I have unslabbed cards, so Im just using cardboard baseball card boxes that hold 300 or so, and have those in a plastic lidded bin that came from target. Does anyone here agree with the guy who messaged me saying cards in 9-pocket sleeves in binders can wrinkle or become damaged by light? They are inside binders, so light not hitting them....
Most of my binders are "D" Ring, but a couple are not... What is the issue with "O" Ring binders??? I will replace the "O" ring binders if they are a problem...
Man, might have been sitting in three ring binder‘s in the basement for about 20 years… Although without incident. Can someone refer me to a brand or product name for toploaders???
Some say to put them in penny sleeves inside of the top loaders. What is the purpose of that?
Some say to put them in penny sleeves inside of the top loaders. What is the purpose of that?
Ultra Pro Regular Toploaders. Unfortunately their price has gone up by a factor of six or seven since Covid for some supply chain related reason. They are expensive now, like $6 or $7 for a pack of 25.I have about 500 empty top-loaders and probably a thousand penny sleeves sitting in a box in a closet. I got rid of all my higher grade stuff and now only have a mid to low grade 1-15 run that I keep in a binder. I would consider selling them but I know shipping cost might be prohibitive. If anyone is interested, let me know.
(https://i.postimg.cc/BLZFTpVn/S5-Sicken.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/BLZFTpVn)(https://i.postimg.cc/XG2CQ5Rc/S12-Sootball.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/XG2CQ5Rc)
These two arrived in the snail mail on Monday. I'll try to get better images and put them on my registry this weekend.
I sent PSA an email with recommendations for changes on three different things, but the largest complaint I made was about the population of the puzzle titles. For some odd reason, PSA doesn't delineate between the stickers and the puzzle pieces. This applies to cards that share titles with the puzzles of course; including Gadzooka, Sugarmess, Beanball, etc. Sootball has that same issue. A PSA is the highest grade for that card, but it doesn't get the top pop designation because there are PSA 10 puzzle pieces. But, that isn't even the worst part. People can put puzzle pieces in their sets in place of the card as far as I know. So, someone can purchase a PSA 10 puzzle piece and it will count as their Sootball in the registry.
As expected, I haven't gotten anything back.
I hate that also, every time I enter a puzzle piece that is higher than then the sticker it replaces it. I have to wait a day and I can go back and change it back manually. It does it correctly though on the Master Set designation, not on the basic designation.
How about when they label them wrong i.e its a top left and they write top right
When the card is as wide as your Achoo it’s very difficult to get a good image without the rails casting shadows. Really the way to go is a good flatbed scanner, but I’ve never been sufficiently motivated to take the plunge.
Yes, I have also thought about this. A small amount of research can definitely find the recommended flatbed scanner, however they cost a lot to justify the purchase. I could spend $250 to get good images of my cards, or I could spend $250 to get good cards. The latter is definitely more of an attractive option.
Yes, I have also thought about this. A small amount of research can definitely find the recommended flatbed scanner, however they cost a lot to justify the purchase. I could spend $250 to get good images of my cards, or I could spend $250 to get good cards. The latter is definitely more of an attractive option.
Yes, I have also thought about this. A small amount of research can definitely find the recommended flatbed scanner, however they cost a lot to justify the purchase. I could spend $250 to get good images of my cards, or I could spend $250 to get good cards. The latter is definitely more of an attractive option.
I hear ya. The iPhone camera in particular is so good, it really is annoying that getting good pictures of PSA graded cards is so difficult.
Who knows what may follow...but someday you might have to liquidate your collection. Those Hi-res pictures could be the only thing left of your collection, god forbid lets not throw some kind of disaster in there. You're young yet, you'll have plenty of time to make up that $250. Choose wisely my friend.
Jim
I have wondered why PSA doesn't sell a scanner with a bed made specifically for slabbed cards.
Any image I post here won’t do the Epsom v600 scanner justice, because postimage degrades the quality. So visit this link on the PSA forum….
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1062350/v600-test/p1?new=1
I’ve never noticed a huge difference in image quality from the registry to my phone per se, but that may be a result of poor image quality to begin with.
Are you next to a window or such? My best results usually come on sunny days next to a window. If it is overcast, I find that the image is too dark. Fill me in.
Yes, I have an iPhone, and it does take good images. But, there are too many things that I find difficult in getting the images of my graded cards.I make it a point to have a picture of each card in my registry. I notice a lot of the wacky collectors do also. What I don't like is if you are going to participate in the registry, I would like to see your cards. I hate not being able to see a collection
You have a point. Either way, I want high res images of my collection for the registry. I like high grade cards, and low res images don't fit the bill. I can afford the scanner, but I generally neglect to buy one. But, maybe one of these days I'll bite the bullet and get one. My fear is that it doesn't make good enough quality images and I will regret purchasing it.
It is a totally different market, and a niche one at that. Almost no collectors (at least in Wackys) put images of their cards in the registry. So, I am not sure that the product would sell well. In theory, however, I love the idea.
I make it a point to have a picture of each card in my registry. I notice a lot of the wacky collectors do also. What I don't like is if you are going to participate in the registry, I would like to see your cards. I hate not being able to see a collection
I have wondered why PSA doesn't sell a scanner with a bed made specifically for slabbed cards.
As someone who scans A LOT. I want to chime in here. PSA won't make a scanner for this because most folks don't scan things.
Scanner technology, by and large, stopped innovating about 15 years ago. Generally (but not exclusively) scanner tech is about where it was while all other tech has gotten faster, better, and just overall cooler.
Blame it on digital photography. In the past, scanners primary use were transferring old media into the digital age. But now, it all starts out digitally.
Still, there are the occasional improvement here and there. But I knew when I started seeing more "scanner/printers" than dedicated scanners, I was in trouble. Because I want scanner technology to innovate, not to get bundled with cheap inkjets.
So ends my rant.
Does PSA still penalize for roller marks, or at least as tough as they used to? The closer I look at a lot of my cards, even some newer grades, a lot of them have rollers that don't seem to be penalized for.
Welp, I just decided to buy the V600 scanner. It should arrive early this week, and I'll likely get good results from it to show you all.
No more Wacky purchases for me for a while! Probably!
Welp, I just decided to buy the V600 scanner. It should arrive early this week, and I'll likely get good results from it to show you all.
No more Wacky purchases for me for a while! Probably!
Howdy. Just scanned by first card with the V600, looking to see what y'all think.
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1062820/wacky-v600-test/p1?new=1
I wish I could get a dark background, but I am not sure how to go about it. I also need a good way of rotating the image if I put the card in at an angle slightly.
Looks pretty good to me, though!
ALSO: I did not use the max DPI settings on the scans. If you think I should, please give a comment. Currently, I am using 1200 DPI.
Thank you. Now that I understand how to use it, the scans are quite nice.It looks pretty good to me.
I did take a 4800 DPI scan of my PSA 9 Ghoul Humor but I can't upload the image anywhere because the file size is 30 and some odd MB. It's too large.
Regardless, I think the images at 1200 look pretty good. I think I could go slightly higher for PSA's registry, but I'm fine with where it's at now.
I guess I'll try putting a scan on here and see how it looks:
(https://i.postimg.cc/T1XjJXQF/S15-23-Ultra-Sheep-PSA-9-V600-1-F.jpg) (https://i.postimg.cc/T1XjJXQF/S15-23-Ultra-Sheep-PSA-9-V600-1-F.jpg)(https://i.postimg.cc/tTmQs25s/S16-5-Ghoul-Humor-PSA-9-V600-1-F-1.jpg) (https://i.postimg.cc/tTmQs25s/S16-5-Ghoul-Humor-PSA-9-V600-1-F-1.jpg/)
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1062820/wacky-v600-test/p1?new=1
Howdy. Just scanned by first card with the V600, looking to see what y'all think.
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1062820/wacky-v600-test/p1?new=1
I wish I could get a dark background, but I am not sure how to go about it. I also need a good way of rotating the image if I put the card in at an angle slightly.
Looks pretty good to me, though!
ALSO: I did not use the max DPI settings on the scans. If you think I should, please give a comment. Currently, I am using 1200 DPI.
How the heck did that get PSA7 with those corners? Is the scan showing the corners accurately?Those corners are not bent they look like paper loss.
I wish I could get a dark background, but I am not sure how to go about it.
1200 DPI is a little extreme. How big are your image files?
I collect stamps and scan them. When scanning stamps, it is critical to have a black background to be able to see the perforations. So I simply use a piece of black poster board that is cut to fit the scanner bed. Of course with stamps, they lay flat on the scanner bed so I can just lay my black background over them before closing the lid. With PSA Slabs, you would probably need to figure out a way to attach the black poster board to the lid.
Those corners are not bent they look like paper loss.Even worse, how did that get a 7?
I wish I could get a dark background, but I am not sure how to go about it. I also need a good way of rotating the image if I put the card in at an angle slightly.
A Ratz PSA 8 showed up on eBay, and I was fully preparing to purge almost my entire raw collection in order to afford it - but someone already bought it evidently. It was taken off eBay.
Last time I tried that in an auction, the seller told me it was unfair.
Fun!
That was a nice card. I wonder what it went for? I was looking forward to making a bid myself, and I agree, it stinks when an auction just gets ended like that.
Who was the seller?
Does that mean it sold for $3900? Should be worth at least $8-10K, don’t you think?
I also expected it to go for $8-9k, and was ready to bid up in that area.
I asked the seller out of curiosity, and he said he got multiple offers in the five figures area. He couldn’t resist one of them.
I’ve never understood that. The seller likely could have made more if he left it up considering “multiple” people were offering that high (which I don’t think it’s worth to begin with).
I asked as well, because I thought it was a 10 day auction, and that there were no offers being taken. He said that he had so many offers that he added that option (apparently after I put it on "watch" and went to bed). I agree, it might have gone for more had he left it up for bidding.
Yes, the alleged “make-an-offer” option was also done after I went to bed. That seems to be a recurring theme with my time on eBay. Everything ends while I’m sleeping, or anything like this.Why does the auction show as sold at $3200+ if he sold it privately for near 5 figures? Shouldn't the auction show as unsold ended early? Just something seems odd about this whole thing and I could swear we have seen that id sell wackys before long ago.
Perhaps we’ll see a PSA 7 appear here sometime? I looked at the top sets that were public and I don’t think any of them that are active needed 8’s, but I don’t know about Topcat. I assume Eric has the 9.
Why does the auction show as sold at $3200+ if he sold it privately for near 5 figures? Shouldn't the auction show as unsold ended early? Just something seems odd about this whole thing and I could swear we have seen that id sell wackys before long ago.
Why does the auction show as sold at $3200+ if he sold it privately for near 5 figures? Shouldn't the auction show as unsold ended early? Just something seems odd about this whole thing and I could swear we have seen that id sell wackys before long ago.
Who are you suggesting that this is?Like Ragu just stated will this suddenly now become a lynchpen for PSA 8 ratz and does someone want that value to be low for some reason? The clearly lesser conditioned cracked is priced higher by same seller.
Like Ragu just stated will this suddenly now become a lynchpen for PSA 8 ratz and does someone want that value to be low for some reason? The clearly lesser conditioned cracked is priced higher by same seller.
I would say no, and yes that is odd (respectively).I don't have an answer to your question, I asked does someone want PSA8 ratz to have a low public value as that is the only rationalization to a seller claiming to have near 5 figure offers and then accepting an ebay contract for $3900. What is your speculation around this. You think the seller is just an idiot?
But, you still didn’t answer my question.
I don't have an answer to your question, I asked does someone want PSA8 ratz to have a low public value as that is the only rationalization to a seller claiming to have near 5 figure offers and then accepting an ebay contract for $3900. What is your speculation around this. You think the seller is just an idiot?
You said that the buyer had an ID that matched a seller. That’s what I was asking about.I never said anything about the buyer id. I said the seller ID looks familiar
I would guess the seller is an idiot no matter what, for stopping the auction. I don’t know why anyone would want to lower prices. Even if someone is attempting to manipulate the market, I don’t see why they wouldn’t heighten the price if anything.
I never said anything about the buyer id. I said the seller ID looks familiar
I misunderstood. I don’t think you wrote which person had a recognizable ID, but you said one used to sell Wackys. My apologies.You are correct I did a poor job of specifying which I was referring to.
I just finished adding the last images to my Die Cut registry. Next up - Wacky Ads!
Yikes! I had no idea a single sticker could go for that much. I guess it IS the rarest card in the best condition....
Does anyone know Chef-Girl-ar-dee on PSA? I thought it was weird how he just kicked off his sets in the last year or so, and now he has all the top ones. I assume he just never got on the registry, or were his sets previously private/unpublished?He has been on for a while, mostly in the higher number sets. He actively looks for sets. He has some beautiful cards in his sets. One that I would love to see is his 1/1 kentucky fried fingers. I am happy for him on his collection, that what the registry is about. Just wish he'd post pictures.
I just finished adding the last images to my Die Cut registry. Next up - Wacky Ads!you and me both, finding good condition wacky ads is really hard.
you and me both, finding good condition wacky ads is really hard.
You have a fine collection of Ads! I wish you'd go and get yourself a Good and Empty 7 already so I can get your 6 :] :]trust me I have been actively looking, I just can't find upgrades
trust me I have been actively looking, I just can't find upgrades
You're in good company. I've tried to find upgrades for my Series 5 PSA 7's for this entire year, or even longer for some.
Start on Series 4, 6, 7 or 8 and I can start you off really well!!
You're in good company. I've tried to find upgrades for my Series 5 PSA 7's for this entire year, or even longer for some.you found a nice series 8 PSA 10, if I would of seen that I would have purchased it.
you found a nice series 8 PSA 10, if I would of seen that I would have purchased it.
There is a PSA 7 Ratz on ebay right now, starting bid $7,500…
If you've ever wondered what a 1st Series Lavirus PSA 10 looks like, you can see one in Eric's registry now.
I assume it must be the new official image thing. I am not quite sure how that works, but I think there is one for my Moron Salt.
How can you see it when his set is not visible, unless you happen to know the cert number?
And why is there an official image of it when it was not recently graded, was it?
Not too big, but here's a title that I got recently:
(https://i.postimg.cc/MMcpmFKV/S2-24-BLUNDER-PSA-8-V600-1-F.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/MMcpmFKV)
I should have another 2nd Series title coming in next week...
Here are two recent upgrades for my Series 13:
(https://i.postimg.cc/S2hVMr27/Bum-s-Life-8.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/S2hVMr27) (https://i.postimg.cc/MMm5bQ1k/Drainola-9.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/MMm5bQ1k)
Those are nice! Is it true it takes a year to get something graded from PSA after you ship it to them?
It definitely bothers me, but I usually still buy them within reason if some toning is present.
Drainola is a very hard card to get centered.
That's probably what turns me off the most about PSA grading. A sticker can get a 9 when it shows toning from aging, while one that is fresh out of the pack and glossy would be graded lower because it's off center 25-75. To me, fresh out of the pack is fresh out of the pack and toning and soft corners show aging and handling. I know PSA has to establish some sort of comparison to differentiate grades, but off center just doesn't bother me - especially with Wacky Packages because I think centering is subjective on a lot of them.
I know we have uncut sheets to disprove it, but just suppose that Drainola was lined up off center on the sheet, so one that is 50-50 centered would really be the one that's "off center."
That's probably what turns me off the most about PSA grading. A sticker can get a 9 when it shows toning from aging, while one that is fresh out of the pack and glossy would be graded lower because it's off center 25-75. To me, fresh out of the pack is fresh out of the pack and toning and soft corners show aging and handling. I know PSA has to establish some sort of comparison to differentiate grades, but off center just doesn't bother me - especially with Wacky Packages because I think centering is subjective on a lot of them.Good points, a circulated coin would never grade as high as any "proof coin"(ie right out of the pack) but PSA has created this racket and is rolling in the money because of it. Condition grading should be measuring what happened to the item since its printing, aging, toning, fingerprints, smudges, creasing etc....
I know we have uncut sheets to disprove it, but just suppose that Drainola was lined up off center on the sheet, so one that is 50-50 centered would really be the one that's "off center."
That's probably what turns me off the most about PSA grading. A sticker can get a 9 when it shows toning from aging, while one that is fresh out of the pack and glossy would be graded lower because it's off center 25-75. To me, fresh out of the pack is fresh out of the pack and toning and soft corners show aging and handling. I know PSA has to establish some sort of comparison to differentiate grades, but off center just doesn't bother me - especially with Wacky Packages because I think centering is subjective on a lot of them.interesting scenario, It just shows up off center most of the times in the wild. Sort of Like Clammy. You need to get one that has a portion of another sticker just to get a perfectly centered one. shrug of the shoulder. I will stand behind the toning as an effect of the cheap paper that was used for wackys. IT IS going to tone, not gonna stop it, Most will tone. However according to standards set by the industry, that is not a reason to knock down the grade, centering, edges , wear, roller marks, stains,ext all all reasons for marking down the grade. I did not make the standards, I just play within the parameters.
I know we have uncut sheets to disprove it, but just suppose that Drainola was lined up off center on the sheet, so one that is 50-50 centered would really be the one that's "off center."
Good points, a circulated coin would never grade as high as any "proof coin"(ie right out of the pack) but PSA has created this racket and is rolling in the money because of it. Condition grading should be measuring what happened to the item since its printing, aging, toning, fingerprints, smudges, creasing etc....I so wish this was the case, I would open up all product and send them in then. Seriously I like what you are saying, however if you had (2) Ratz Crackers both pack fresh and both equal grade. IF one is (OC) and one is centered. Are you going to pay the same exact money for the (OC) one? Even using the coin analogy on graded coins they have a company that will attach a sticker to the casing if it exceeds the average condition for the grade on the outside of the holder. (CAC) is the name of said company. Right now I am so disappointed in PSA as I feel that all of us who enjoy registry collecting are getting hosed for extra money. So much so I have to look at if it will be viable to continue to send to PSA to get cards graded. 20 dollars is still to steep to send in base wackys, unless you are really good at grading and can get at lease a none with your submission. I can not say what direction PSA grading will go, but I do hope that they realize it was not for money do I submit all my cards, but to have my registry set and to collect wackys by getting one better. I must have over 5 full 1-16 sets. It gets boring collecting another set of wackys. But getting a grade higher on my sets as I collect 1-16 That is where the thrill of the chase is. TO find that PSA 10 and to add it to your collection that is what made this fun and kept wackys going for me. Everyone does it they upgrade their set. I just do it within the parameters of a set collecting guideline. I know it is not for everyone, I just know it is for me. (it also helps when I have ungraded cards to tell what the grade is. Since I sell a lot at shows I want people to know the truly are getting an ex/nrmt card and not calling it Mint.)
I so wish this was the case, I would open up all product and send them in then. Seriously I like what you are saying, however if you had (2) Ratz Crackers both pack fresh and both equal grade. IF one is (OC) and one is centered. Are you going to pay the same exact money for the (OC) one?
Thanks! Right now I hear that it does seem to be taking about a year to get something back from PSA.I have been waiting for 16 months so far for my lot of 114 cards/stickers some are re slabs but I still have yet to hear they are grading them as of now. I was able to get them in just before the price increase.
I so wish this was the case, I would open up all product and send them in then. Seriously I like what you are saying, however if you had (2) Ratz Crackers both pack fresh and both equal grade. IF one is (OC) and one is centered. Are you going to pay the same exact money for the (OC) one? Even using the coin analogy on graded coins they have a company that will attach a sticker to the casing if it exceeds the average condition for the grade on the outside of the holder. (CAC) is the name of said company. Right now I am so disappointed in PSA as I feel that all of us who enjoy registry collecting are getting hosed for extra money. So much so I have to look at if it will be viable to continue to send to PSA to get cards graded. 20 dollars is still to steep to send in base wackys, unless you are really good at grading and can get at lease a none with your submission. I can not say what direction PSA grading will go, but I do hope that they realize it was not for money do I submit all my cards, but to have my registry set and to collect wackys by getting one better. I must have over 5 full 1-16 sets. It gets boring collecting another set of wackys. But getting a grade higher on my sets as I collect 1-16 That is where the thrill of the chase is. TO find that PSA 10 and to add it to your collection that is what made this fun and kept wackys going for me. Everyone does it they upgrade their set. I just do it within the parameters of a set collecting guideline. I know it is not for everyone, I just know it is for me. (it also helps when I have ungraded cards to tell what the grade is. Since I sell a lot at shows I want people to know the truly are getting an ex/nrmt card and not calling it Mint.)We are discussing this on that vintage facebook page you invited me, we are discussing if grading should be two grades, manufacturing defect and post manufacturing defect. Manufacturing defects with coins INCREASE the value since clearly there are far fewer that get out the door. If Topps made an effort to grade miscuts and fewer made it out the door, would they be worth MORE like a coin? I am with you, I certainly would choose centered over off centered with everything else being equal but PSA set up this racket and now they can just change the racket since they really had no standards and make people collect all over again, their goal is to make money, it is not to set standards.
I have been waiting for 16 months so far for my lot of 114 cards/stickers some are re slabs but I still have yet to hear they are grading them as of now. I was able to get them in just before the price increase.I sent a batch of 132 in last august. they have been in the grading stage now for 2 months I am going on 15 months. I dont expect them until January. I hope I am wrong
Matt.
Centering is a gateway. The grade cannot be 10 unless the centering is at least 55/45. The grade cannot be 9 unless it is at least 60/40, etc. Obviously centering within those guidelines is not the only factor, but an otherwise perfect card with 90/10 centering will get a PSA 4.Think about how crazy that is! A fresh out of the pack(proof or uncirculated), no finger prints, perfect card with 90/10 centering would be a PSA4 and a card floating around in circulation with soft corners and perfect centering gets a higher grade. Sorry that is nutty to me.
I sent a batch of 132 in last august. they have been in the grading stage now for 2 months I am going on 15 months. I dont expect them until January. I hope I am wrong
We are discussing this on that vintage facebook page you invited me, we are discussing if grading should be two grades, manufacturing defect and post manufacturing defect. Manufacturing defects with coins INCREASE the value since clearly there are far fewer that get out the door. If Topps made an effort to grade miscuts and fewer made it out the door, would they be worth MORE like a coin? I am with you, I certainly would choose centered over off centered with everything else being equal but PSA set up this racket and now they can just change the racket since they really had no standards and make people collect all over again, their goal is to make money, it is not to set standards.You are correct there is way more quality control with the US mint then there was with Topps printing. Back in the day, Topps counted on the candy (gum) sales and used cards to increase this. The US mint had to make a product that is the same each time. You are 100 percent correct defects in coins are rare and worth a whole bunch. In cards though getting a perfect card, even from the pack was a hard feat. So when we grade coins only condition after the mint is considered. They dont say lady liberty is off center on a coin, so you cannot use the same standards. Each one stands on their own. (quick fact PCGS the number one coin grader and PSA the number one card grader are all under the collectors universe umbrella)
So does that mean if there's an 18-month lag from submitted to graded, that the price guide report on PSA graded cards is always 18 months old due to changes in grade population? That sort of defeats the purpose of a monthly magazine.That is a good question that I don't know. the answer to, however in my opinion there is enough out there graded that the small amount left in the grading banks should not affect the millions that have been graded
Ironically, I believe that I read that they are removing qualifiers. The grade will simply drop if the issue is found instead of the ugly (OC) or (MC) on the case. I think that’s great!Trust me I get it, It is a different way of collecting where you can go with like minded collectors. ( I just wish some of them would make them public and take some pictures)
It also seems that they are toughening on their grading, which is also good - but the inconsistency isn’t.
I’m in the boat with you, Joe. My enthusiasm for Wackys is minimal anymore, but picking up higher grade stuff is enjoyable. Especially when you can find a known toughie in high grade, it’ll light you up like Christmas. Or maybe that’s just me. And, again, the biggest highlight is the registry as well as the leaderboards that show everyone’s sets.
Trust me I get it, It is a different way of collecting where you can go with like minded collectors. ( I just wish some of them would make them public and take some pictures)
I sent a batch of 132 in last august. they have been in the grading stage now for 2 months I am going on 15 months. I dont expect them until January. I hope I am wrong
Think about how crazy that is! A fresh out of the pack(proof or uncirculated), no finger prints, perfect card with 90/10 centering would be a PSA4 and a card floating around in circulation with soft corners and perfect centering gets a higher grade. Sorry that is nutty to me.
What kinda stuff did ya send in??about 100 wackys Mostly 9th series with a mix of other series and Star Trek Stickers. I received a bunch that had no roller marks. That is a really hard thing to do on star trek or star wars stickers
I finished uploading scans of my Die Cuts, Ads, and Series 1 so far. Then I had no spare time for scanning.You leave yours open and have plenty of pictures :great:
Making customers wait more than a year is a TERRIBLE business model. Then again, i guess they have a monopoly…..It was a perfect storm, The pandemic hit, more people home and started card collecting and finally the popularity of Pokémon. It caused them to get overwhelmed, as long as when it is over it, doesn't hold the current model of business I will be happy. You have to realize PSA increased its staff 4 fold and they are going to have to keep those people busy, I do think that the prices will come down then.
Does anyone know how long the current $150 submission/review takes?
If I understand this page correctly it looks like a little over five weeks….
https://www.psacard.com/pricing
Which scan looks better?
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I find PSA really funny. I sent my Sootball 9 in for review, and PSA received it at the beginning of November, 2020. At that point, it should have taken five weeks for me to get the card back. Well, it was about ten weeks until I decided to send an email asking if they even have the card. At this point, their site said that 100% of November orders were complete. A couple days later, I got my answer. Apparently my account is *still* blocked, and as a result I cannot send cards in for submission. So, they held my Sootball 9 hostage - and didn't provide me any information about it until I contacted them. Pretty terrible if you ask me.
Why was I blocked? About five or six years ago, I went online and called them - and I quote - incompetent retards. I guess they never recovered from that sick burn. They've got a chronic case of easily offended disorder. (Not that my declaration was any better)
That also by no means justifies them not sending my card back when they received it.
Apparently my account is *still* blocked, and as a result I cannot send cards in for submission. So, they held my Sootball 9 hostage - and didn't provide me any information about it until I contacted them. Pretty terrible if you ask me.
In what forum did you make that statement?
As far as people attempting to send in poor grade cards, that’s up to them. It does not mean that I am going to.
The pricing of cards also doesn’t have to do with PSA’s grading, it has to do with price guides and outrageous sellers.
My fun is adding a new PSA 8-9 to my sets. Whose fun is more important? I’m sure there’s some give or take here. I’m paying even more than you, believe me.
I agree with DrOno…as far as what the grading has done to the card hobby, and to some extent, the comic hobby….its great if you are a high end collector or a flipper…The rest of us just have to settle for mid grade or ungraded cards. Its like the people driving high-end cars while the rest of us drive Hondas and Toyotas…you have to try and find things to collect that you can afford and be content with….
I agree with DrOno…as far as what the grading has done to the card hobby, and to some extent, the comic hobby….its great if you are a high end collector or a flipper…The rest of us just have to settle for mid grade or ungraded cards. Its like the people driving high-end cars while the rest of us drive Hondas and Toyotas…you have to try and find things to collect that you can afford and be content with….
I’m not rich by any means. I don’t even spend all my money on expensive cards, I buy very sparingly. The chase is better than the catch, saving more to buy that mint card is much more rewarding than settling for less. But yes, collect what you enjoy.
Some people can’t seem to understand that liking high grade cards has nothing directly to do with money. It just happens they are in low supply and higher demand.
I see guys complete a low grade 1972 baseball set in under a month. I have been working on my graded set since 2014 and it is 55% complete. I just like nice cards and am willing to be patient.
Interestingly, for cards in high PSA grades the high numbers don’t seem that much tougher on the whole.
The way I would evaluate that lot is that I need 200 cards out of 649 with numbers less than 650 with a book value of $521.60. My best scenario would be to get all 200. A more reasonable expectation would be 200/649 * 521.60 = $160, so I'd be paying about $220 more than I could expect for my return. I'm not a trader or a seller, so any duplicate cards I got from the lot would have no real value to me.
My guess would be that the high numbers came out so late in the season that very few collectors had them, so most of the higher grade cards survived in top condition. By then we were collecting football and basketball cards. While the lower number series were bought by kids like us who put rubber bands around them, carried them in our pants pockets, clothes pinned them to the spokes of our bicycles, etc. so the higher grades probably survived in about the same number for all six series.
I said it on, of all places, Instagram. I no longer have Instagram because I don’t care to have it, so the post isn’t available.sellers don't drive prices, buyers do.
As far as people attempting to send in poor grade cards, that’s up to them. It does not mean that I am going to. The pricing of cards also doesn’t have to do with PSA’s grading, it has to do with price guides and outrageous sellers. My fun is adding a new PSA 8-9 to my sets. Whose fun is more important? I’m sure there’s some give or take here. I’m paying even more than you, believe me.
Some people can’t seem to understand that liking high grade cards has nothing directly to do with money. It just happens they are in low supply and higher demand. I don’t have a lot of money either. I see guys complete a low grade 1972 baseball set in under a month. I have been working on my graded set since 2014 and it is 55% complete. I just like nice cards and am willing to be patient.I respect that you like high grade cards, I still don't understand with your great eye why you want to pay someone else to decide for you whether you like a card given monetary value has nothing to do with it.
I respect that you like high grade cards, I still don't understand with your great eye why you want to pay someone else to decide for you whether you like a card given monetary value has nothing to do with it.
Simple: beautiful high grade raw cards are not easily available. The money PSA grading attracts brings them to market.So you only buy PSA card you never submit your own cards?
So you only buy PSA card you never submit your own cards?
sellers don't drive prices, buyers do.
Slightly off topic, but a page of original Spiderman art from the first issue featuring his black costume, sold this week for $3.3 million….other recent sales of Action #1 and Amazing Fantasy #1 have hit $3 million…During these times if ridiculous inflation…someone has lots of money yo blow…
I hear you about buying lots, but there is only so far into a set build that you can expect to be able to do that without getting a ton of duplicates. Eventually you’ll have to pursue the singles you need, whatever the cost. Or just be OK with not completing it, I guess.
If you looked at eBay auctions for high grade cards vs. BIN’s I expect you’d see much different results.Not following your point, buyers can ask any price they want but it doesn't matter if the sellers don't buy at those prices
Not following your point, buyers can ask any price they want but it doesn't matter if the sellers don't buy at those prices
That’s exactly my point???if you meant to say SOLD ebay auctions vs high BINs, then yes, I see we agree.
This looks "off" to me. Thoughts?
(https://i.postimg.cc/mPGByk0m/Beanball-10.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/mPGByk0m)
Not exactly a bright white background.
This looks "off" to me. Thoughts?
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https://www.psacard.com/cert/63742539
High res scan available there. Looks toned too. Not particularly nice for a 10 but don’t color me surprised.
Also, you’re telling me some guy submitted five Wackys and they all got tens??? I doubt it. Wonder how much money got thrown at PSA. Must have been a lot considering the outrageous prices these are listed at.
I sure as hell wouldn't spend the money Probstein is asking for those 10's. That is just ridiculous money wasted
Looks like Roberts took the opportunity to purchase the terrible looking Taster's Choke PSA 10 that has been on eBay for years now. Quite odd since it benefits his set less now than it would have years ago. Now he does not get the #1 uncontested grade bonus. Interesting.How on earth did that Tasters Choke get a 10 with that centering? Did someone convince PSA that is the correct centering for that card? It is ridiculous that PSA10s are being pitted against each other with clear variations in quality,
How on earth did that Tasters Choke get a 10 with that centering? Did someone convince PSA that is the correct centering for that card? It is ridiculous that PSA10s are being pitted against each other with clear variations in quality,Here's another one that just appeared on eBay. Better centering. https://www.ebay.com/itm/373992296844?mkevt=1&mkpid=2&emsid=e90001.m2368.l2648&mkcid=8&bu=43209198147&osub=c674abaa961c02c44e428241ee82ce98%257ETE80101_T_AGM&segname=TE80101_T_AGM&crd=20220331080000&ch=osgood&trkId=0A7B127B-E53450F398A-017FBDF50CDA-0000000001013B97&mesgId=3041&plmtId=700002&recoId=373992296844&recoPos=4&sojTags=osub%3Dosub%2Csegname%3Dsegname%2Ccrd%3Dcrd%2Cch%3Dch%2CtrkId%3DtrkId%2CmesgId%3DmesgId%2CplmtId%3DplmtId%2CrecoId%3DrecoId%2CrecoPos%3DrecoPos%2Cchnl%3Dmkcid
How on earth did that Tasters Choke get a 10 with that centering? Did someone convince PSA that is the correct centering for that card? It is ridiculous that PSA10s are being pitted against each other with clear variations in quality,
Here's another one that just appeared on eBay. Better centering. https://www.ebay.com/itm/373992296844?mkevt=1&mkpid=2&emsid=e90001.m2368.l2648&mkcid=8&bu=43209198147&osub=c674abaa961c02c44e428241ee82ce98%257ETE80101_T_AGM&segname=TE80101_T_AGM&crd=20220331080000&ch=osgood&trkId=0A7B127B-E53450F398A-017FBDF50CDA-0000000001013B97&mesgId=3041&plmtId=700002&recoId=373992296844&recoPos=4&sojTags=osub%3Dosub%2Csegname%3Dsegname%2Ccrd%3Dcrd%2Cch%3Dch%2CtrkId%3DtrkId%2CmesgId%3DmesgId%2CplmtId%3DplmtId%2CrecoId%3DrecoId%2CrecoPos%3DrecoPos%2Cchnl%3DmkcidThis one is far better. I think PSA10 should be perfect, the lower left corner back view is perfect, none of the other corners match that. I guess PSA 10 is like 290s in bowling....I didn't realize that.
PSA 9 Boredom's and PSA 9 Campy sold for close to $3,700 each on Mile High Card Co. Sold for around $1,000 more than what I would have expected.
How is this possible? Which inept individual did this? I wonder if it can be ascertained from the number who did it. This has to be the worst PSA error I have ever seen.
Jim
Kinda goes to show that a PSA grade is about.....worthless.
PSA 9 Boredom's and PSA 9 Campy sold for close to $3,700 each on Mile High Card Co. Sold for around $1,000 more than what I would have expected.
Based on the identical selling prices, seems like the same individual bought both of them. $7,400 for two cards. :o
Where do you see those?
http://milehighcardco.com/Category/Non_Sport-28.html
Search on "wacky".
Thanks!
This has to be the worst PSA error I have ever seen.Maybe Ron Hextall is an alias of his? lol
https://www.ebay.com/itm/363782317242?hash=item54b31da4ba:g:X8IAAOSw1ZdhfJ05
What is the current turn around time from PSA?
Richard
#StayWacky
Should be pointed out that there is no affordable PSA grading option right now. The choices are pay $100 per card, or wait in line to try to get the privilege of paying $50 per card.It will of course take a lot of time but other graders will become more mainstream and start to command good prices since PSA decided to open the door for this period of time. OCR and scanned grades is the future and will trump all previous grades removing some of the subjectivity and nonsense going on now with grading. This will allow for faster and more accurate turnarounds. The market demands this and will get it. This will evolve like all things in life do especially with a process so flawed like the current PSA process.
The only wildcard with taking PSA’s market share is the registry. Others have tried to compete with that but have not been successful.That is not rocket science so no idea why others can't set up a registry. What % of the market cares about registry? I would only get cards graded to sell them and will never register them. I have a super nice die cut set with all # variations(sans #21 Jolly) and Ratz and Cracked(graded PSA 6 and is by far the worst in the lot) that I want to get graded purely to sell.
That is not rocket science so no idea why others can't set up a registry. What % of the market cares about registry? I would only get cards graded to sell them and will never register them. I have a super nice die cut set with all # variations(sans #21 Jolly) and Ratz and Cracked(graded PSA 6 and is by far the worst in the lot) that I want to get graded purely to sell.
Cracked Animals 6? Consider that a blessing.Why a blessing?
Why a blessing?
Why a blessing?He is right, centering on that card is really hard to get.
Wow, that is nice. I gave up on all registry sets with PSA recently, I believe I know more about certain sets than they do and they don't seem to really care.
Here is a beast I picked up a week or two or three ago.I can’t wrap my head around paying the slabbing fees to get a high grade on common sticker titles, but if there was ever a perfect candidate for slabbing this would have to be one.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Bj8PVL9w/S4-08-A-CHOKE-WAGON-PSA-9-V600-1-F.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Bj8PVL9w)
I can’t wrap my head around paying the slabbing fees to get a high grade on common sticker titles, but if there was ever a perfect candidate for slabbing this would have to be one.
Here is a beast I picked up a week or two or three ago.wow that is a beautiful card, Bum and Choke are very nostalgic to me as I remember them as a kid, never heard of Mess Clairol and windhex until collecting again as an adult. never even had any checklists with those two titles on them as a kid so clearly the later run never made it to my part of NJ
(https://i.postimg.cc/Bj8PVL9w/S4-08-A-CHOKE-WAGON-PSA-9-V600-1-F.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Bj8PVL9w)
Ironically, I think I am shadow banned (or something of the like) from PSA now. I am unable to even log into my account. So, I can't add it to my registry... Oh no!
Ironically, the grading fee used to be around $5 or so per common. Not so much anymore of course. I think these premium titles are the only ones worth sending in at this point from an economic standpoint. At least if you lose your ass, you still have a rare title.Well you know my stance on slabbing, complete waste of time, you already know this is a high grade title by looking at it and if it meets your collection needs, you saved $100. There is a luck of the draw element of this as that centering could have resulted in PSA8 so I guess that roll of the dice to get PSA9 and end debate on it becomes worth the money?
$50 or $100 to slab common cards is insane! What was the pre-covid price and turnaround time?
There were $6 per card specials up until about 2017. Through 2019 I believe the cheapest price was around $10. Turnaround times were never more than three months at this point, usually less.
There were $6 per card specials up until about 2017. Through 2019 I believe the cheapest price was around $10. Turnaround times were never more than three months at this point, usually less.
I remember you submitting cards for me to get to the minimum number required. Bandache 9 and #15 Skimpy 8 included. That was a good day!!
What sets are you sending in, Joe?I sent in more Shedd's (I do Love my Shedd's) I sent in 1st series, 2nd series, 4th series 5th series, 1966 batman and 1966 superman also some Star Wars. I also sent in a few tri-folds
I sent in more Shedd's (I do Love my Shedd's) I sent in 1st series, 2nd series, 4th series 5th series, 1966 batman and 1966 superman also some Star Wars. I also sent in a few trips folds
Hey Joe, do you now if PSA is aware that these stickers are tri-folds and not bent stickers? Tat would suck to send the in and get a 2 or 3 because they have two large 'creases.' They are pretty clueless but hopefully not that muchwhen I send them in, they are identified as tri-folds. They come back as try-folds, it is just tri-folds do not get high grades because of that. (I have found)
Here's a funny thing:Mark,
I received two separate emails from two different individuals at PSA as replies to my emails to them. Here they are, quoted. See if you can spot what's wrong here.
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"Hello Mark, thank you for your patience,
Unfortunately we are not able to unblock your PSA account due to the issue that was experienced with our set registry team, out team does take those situations very seriously.
Your PSA account will remain blocked.
Thank you,"
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"Hello Mark, thank you for reaching out to PSA!
Unfortunately we are not able to unblock your PSA account due to the issue that was experienced with our set registry team, out team does take those situations very seriously.
Your PSA account will remain blocked.
Thank you,"
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Nice copy and pasted message, PSA! Not only is it copied and pasted, but there is a typo that never got fixed!
Mark,
What you say to them to piss them off so much? You might as well open an other account under a fake name.
I called them incompetent retards about five years ago. I think I can probably start new accounts all I want but once they see my name the account is done for.Doesn't that double negative equate to complementing them? NOT, pun intended..... ;)
Doesn't that double negative equate to complementing them? NOT, pun intended..... ;)
I’ve never thought about it like that!Tell the knuckleheads they're too dumb to know you complimented them.
Well, no, it shows that PSA can make mistakes.
All these people confessing that PSA is worthless. Not one responded to this defense of PSA.
Not sure what your point is.
:-\
What genius decided to submit this baby? 🤔
What genius decided to submit this baby? 🤔Why does it say reissue? That reference is a colle tor coined term only.
(https://i.postimg.cc/c47xpDFT/B3444043-1-C82-42-DA-B4-E9-BE1-E23-CF4-CB3.jpg)
Mark,
What you say to them to piss them off so much? You might as well open an other account under a fake name.
Wowzer Bowser. You would think that they would oblige in this case, but they must be keeping my account up in spite of me.
I’m not so sure it is truthfully the same. I was pretty crystal clear when I said I want my account deleted. If I was in the EU, I’m pretty sure they’d have no choice whether or not they remove my information. Privacy laws help the consumer from having their information being held hostage. I’m not sure if there is anything parallel to that in the US, but I plan on doing research.I am pretty sure there are such laws in the US, threaten them anyway and see if they are smart enough to check, don't put the burden on yourself. Mess with these idiots.
Ironically, I heard someone call them incompetent retards. Small world?
I’m frankly amazed they care enough to ban him, they have much more pressing issues to be concerned with.Their lack of focus doesnt surprise me plus their responses suggest they believe they are king and bigger than anything, psa needs a serious slap in the head and i believe it will come
Their lack of focus doesnt surprise me plus their responses suggest they believe they are king and bigger than anything, psa needs a serious slap in the head and i believe it will come
The fact that they survived the whole scandal of certain high-paying dealers and the so called "cleaners" getting better grades seems to show that nothing harms them. It's yesterday's news.What til someone uses electronic scanning so grades are consistant, all previously non electronic graded cards will be shunned...that day is coming
Whenever I hear collectors say they can crack open the slab and re-submit the card to get a better grade, when they're not happy with the one PSA gave them, completely invalidates their grading process. I've been in testing and measurements for 35 years, so I firmly believe if you can't quantitatively measure something consistently, then you're just guessing.
I’m not so sure it is truthfully the same. I was pretty crystal clear when I said I want my account deleted. If I was in the EU, I’m pretty sure they’d have no choice whether or not they remove my information. Privacy laws help the consumer from having their information being held hostage. I’m not sure if there is anything parallel to that in the US, but I plan on doing research.
Some of us like the security of high grade cards being shrouded in plastic. It also (should) give a better inclination as to the grade of the card when you buy it. I don't think it is too difficult to comprehend.
And watch it with that 5th Series slander!!!
I mean, look what happened in coins, too. They all get graded by the main organization of trust... which eventually can't be trusted anymore, so the coins aren't worth as much unless they now have a green CAC sticker on them too.
First I ever heard of a "CAC" sticker. Wow, greed in America just keeps topping itself! "The old way of grading is useless! Now you must have this NEW, improved grading!", said the company that invented both types of grading, but under different names of course.Exactly, new and improved Ajax, new and improved Covid shot, gotta get existing customers to come back for more when new customers won't bite so time to make the old versions obsolete in some manner.
Exactly, new and improved Ajax, new and improved Covid shot, gotta get existing customers to come back for more when new customers won't bite so time to make the old versions obsolete in some manner.Zactly :^)
Has there been any Wacky parodies of the pharma companies yet? Or have they decided not to even go there for fear of being cancelled?Actually, early in the ANS run, Advil, Aleve, Robutussin and Metamucil were parodied (as Anvil, Alive, Robotussin and Metalmucil, respectively). After that, as far as I know, nothing until the 2020 All New Weekly Series (Sudafed=Buddafed) and the 2022 All New Monthly Series (Benadril=Benadrool, Robutussin (again)=Rabbitussin and Excedrin=Excedrain). That's all I can remember for now, medicine-wise.
Related to PSA….i see a seller has almost the entire 8th series for sale on e-bay. Most are slabbed at PSA grade 8. Can someone enlighten me as to why certain titles, like Yicks and Kleenex, are listed at $40-45, while other titles like Kentucky Fried Fingers are listed at $80 in the exact same grade? I dont think they are rare or short print titles…does seller think certain titles are more desirable or maybe rarer in high grade?
Actually, early in the ANS run, Advil, Aleve, Robutussin and Metamucil were parodied (as Anvil, Alive, Robotussin and Metalmucil, respectively). After that, as far as I know, nothing until the 2020 All New Weekly Series (Sudafed=Buddafed) and the 2022 All New Monthly Series (Benadril=Benadrool, Robutussin (again)=Rabbitussin and Excedrin=Excedrain). That's all I can remember for now, medicine-wise.
Does anyone else remember anything else from the modern run I may have missed?
Well, I meant the more politically-charged companies involved in current events. But I'm guessing not.Which companies are you referring to specifically?
Which companies are you referring to specifically?
(https://i.postimg.cc/75G2zC0S/Screenshot-20230402-083355-Chrome.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/75G2zC0S)BLECCH is right!
Another psa gem...brown stains in the front borders...no problem!
How is this a PSA 9?????
https://www.ebay.com/itm/385616418143?hash=item59c887955f:g:gRkAAOSwlPlkYrh6&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA4McR5hTj8aib08HU7s8EBLZ4n6zDLjb6RfgOtXaXusQKO8lq4XLbkONaZespxASbc%2FpzCSQpXjIbLZDIccWk94VLJhlNu%2FJZysOfjy3zFUJU3tHwrIK7SBzYtP4BmS8A4945zOPVT%2FUFaoKLBUvORQc5j3J2MhFNMcDGesneZqyIR%2FLIkI%2FFeQjZ9w8GoN1Dp%2Fypv3jIN%2FMMKsN90J8h%2FXY0s%2BuvCVuMeojLRen4teCQ3TlH4LGYxT5KeCfxWEPoCApSCXkYp5vdtKzjNXOBN7fj3IPe956SrTKujG%2FhLrik%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR9rCwviFYg
How is this a PSA 9?????
https://www.ebay.com/itm/385616418143