Wacky Packages Forum
Wacky Packages Discussion => General Wacky Packages Discussion => Original Series => Topic started by: NationalSpittoon on April 23, 2017, 10:26:05 AM
-
I just want to know the basis for packs in the original series...
(Yellow 14th, Red 2nd, etc.)
If someone could help with that, it'd be great... Thanks.
-
These prices are somewhat fluid but here is a rough estimate:
6th,7th,7th gumless,8th Orange, 9th,10th,12th,14th : these are the most plentiful, worth about $20-25
5th blue, 13th,15th : fairly plentiful, but more in the $30-35 range...15th is plentiful but contents are worth more, reflected in pack value
1st: $500-1000
2nd, 3rd red : $200-250
3rd yellow, 4th: $100-150
5th yellow: rarely for sale, probably $100-150
8th blue: $50
11th green, yellow: $75-100
16th: $250+
-
I just want to know the basis for packs in the original series...
(Yellow 14th, Red 2nd, etc.)
If someone could help with that, it'd be great... Thanks.
Find something at the show?
-
Find something at the show?
Yeah I got a 10th, 13th, and 14th.. Also got one of the packs that is clear and has Ale, and an 8th checklist in it. (And broken gum)
-
Also got one of the packs that is clear and has Ale, and an 8th checklist in it. (And broken gum)
A Fun Pack, yes?
-
I have a bunch of cellophane packs, but they have Gadzooka puzzle pieces that appear to be first series UK.
-
A Fun Pack, yes?
That's what I thought they were called. I looked that up on eBay, though, and a UK pack came up. I am curious what they are worth if they are worth anything, because I am not completely sure about them.
-
Ten or twelve years ago the cello fun packs were worth $25 or so, but somewhere along the line a million of them surfaced. There have been entire 8th series sets of them made available.
The one you have is a bit less common. As far as I know, the combinations that exist are 8th sticker/UK puzzle piece, 13th sticker/8th puzzle piece and 10th series sticker with one of those two puzzles.
-
By the way, there are several different wax wrapper fun packs too, one of which looks like a 2nd UK pack.
-
Ten or twelve years ago the cello fun packs were worth $25 or so, but somewhere along the line a million of them surfaced. There have been entire 8th series sets of them made available.
The one you have is a bit less common. As far as I know, the combinations that exist are 8th sticker/UK puzzle piece, 13th sticker/8th puzzle piece and 10th series sticker with one of those two puzzles.
Okay. Thanks.
-
These prices are somewhat fluid but here is a rough estimate:
6th,7th,7th gumless,8th Orange, 9th,10th,12th,14th : these are the most plentiful, worth about $20-25
5th blue, 13th,15th : fairly plentiful, but more in the $30-35 range...15th is plentiful but contents are worth more, reflected in pack value
1st: $500-1000
2nd, 3rd red : $200-250
3rd yellow, 4th: $100-150
5th yellow: rarely for sale, probably $100-150
8th blue: $50
11th green, yellow: $75-100
16th: $250+
3rd red sold for under $100 recently I believe. I think it even had to be listed twice to sell.
-
3rd red sold for under $100 recently I believe. I think it even had to be listed twice to sell.
It's impossible to predict eBay prices, half the packs are bad, condition matters, there are not enough sales anymore to establish pricing. I personally have little doubt that if Roxanne unearthed a bunch of pristine 3rd reds that they would sell for more than $100, but it's pretty much guesswork.
-
Actually the boxes I still need full are 1 to 5 and 16. So much of what you have theorized is true. I did get one of the two 11th series boxes that showed up, but the second one will eventually find its way to me too. Maybe even by this summer
Also, will be at this year's National Sports Collectors Convention in July with all of my dup boxes and packs.
Just got another (my fifth) pack of series one 1973, and this is the one that was held out when I made the deal for the other four. So I will have three of them at the National with me if they make it to that show. Stop by and talk to me about Wackys and other non sports.
I am back in action again as I was hibernating for the past 6 months working on a CEO and Director Pay survey as an independent contractor; I am retired. But now I am looking to buy and sell again. I couldn't make the last Philly show because of my intense work schedule.
Regards to you Dave and even those who seem to be able to turn every posting into something negative.
Steve
-
It's impossible to predict eBay prices, half the packs are bad, condition matters, there are not enough sales anymore to establish pricing. I personally have little doubt that if Roxanne unearthed a bunch of pristine 3rd reds that they would sell for more than $100, but it's pretty much guesswork.
I agree Dave. I think the dear of re-seals of the earlier, more expensive packs will scare off a lot of people. If the seller is an unknown that you can't check with about the pack, it won't sell for as much as it probably would from a known seller.
-
Hey.
Looking for approximate values of the following packs..
1967 Diecuts
1977 Shedd's
1979 Test Pack
Thanks!
-
Hey.
Looking for approximate values of the following packs..
1967 Diecuts
1977 Shedd's
1979 Test Pack
Thanks!
Die Cuts $1700-2000
Shedds $300
79 Test $200-300
The last two may be out of date as I don't really recall any recent sales.
-
Some more requests-
Prices for 5c and 10c Wacky Ads packs,
codes and prices for the following..
73 Cloth
73 Posters
74 Posters
74 Tattoos
All Funpack Variations (No codes obviously)
79-80 Reissue Series'
Thanks!!
-
Some more requests-
Prices for 5c and 10c Wacky Ads packs,
codes and prices for the following..
73 Cloth
73 Posters
74 Posters
74 Tattoos
All Funpack Variations (No codes obviously)
79-80 Reissue Series'
Thanks!!
All the codes are in this file:
http://www.wackypacks.com/wrappers/wrappers.html
As for prices:
5-cent wacky ads $800-1000 (several recent sales to back this up)
10-cent wacky ads: really hard to say because they have rarely been offered, but I would guess nearly as much as the 5-cent, maybe $600, because there is pent up demand, whereas there happened to be 5 or 6 5-cent packs made available in the last 7 years from the same source
Cloth pack: again they are never offered, but I believe one sold for like $900 5 or 6 years ago
'73 posters $125-150
'74 posters $25
Tattoos cheap, maybe $10-15
Reissues dirt cheap, $3 for 1st and 3rd, maybe $5-8 for 2nd and 4th
Funpacks: difficult to say because they are rarely described correctly, but the common ones like 14th wrapper/12th checklist/15th sticker and the cello funpacks seem to be worth $15-20. Less common ones are usually described as normal original series packs and so pricing is meaningless. For example I got a 9th wrapper/1st UK checklist funpack a few years ago but it was listed as a 9th series pack.
-
By the way, it's all very volatile and sensitive to supply/demand ebbs and flows, before 2010 I would have said 5-cent ads packs were worth more like $1500, but when I happened upon our pal Marty with 5 of them, his asking price was $800 which gradually increased as he sold more and had fewer left. So that kind of determines what they're worth until some other supply surfaces.
-
OK. I am trying to set general prices set in the middle. (Reliable as possible with what we have.)
If you don't mind, I also need prices for 73 and 74 posters. Not packs, but the posters themselves.
Thanks! (I'll stop after that. :great: )
-
OK. I am trying to set general prices set in the middle. (Reliable as possible with what we have.)
If you don't mind, I also need prices for 73 and 74 posters. Not packs, but the posters themselves.
Thanks! (I'll stop after that. :great: )
I don't collect the posters, I'll leave that to someone who does.
-
I don't collect the posters, I'll leave that to someone who does.
I do not consider myself a subject matter expert on the posters, but I do own a full set, including the three rares and have sold a few here and there, too. I got my set about 6 years ago for $450 which computes to ~$19 per poster. I'd say this number is the right neighborhood, even today. Folded "commons" should go for $10-$20 each depending on condition. Unfolded probably at least 2-3 times that. The rares from '73 typically have gone for $125-$250 each [with some outliers even higher], again condition and demand depending.
Hope this info helps.
-
I do not consider myself a subject matter expert on the posters, but I do own a full set, including the three rares and have sold a few here and there, too. I got my set about 6 years ago for $450 which computes to ~$19 per poster. I'd say this number is the right neighborhood, even today. Folded "commons" should go for $10-$20 each depending on condition. Unfolded probably at least 2-3 times that. The rares from '73 typically have gone for $125-$250 each [with some outliers even higher], again condition and demand depending.
Hope this info helps.
Well this is generally how I hypothesized the pricing.
'73- All commons 30, the three rares 150.
'74- All are 20.
So, should I change the price lower for '73 commons?
-
Well this is generally how I hypothesized the pricing.
'73- All commons 30, the three rares 150.
'74- All are 20.
So, should I change the price lower for '73 commons?
The 73 commons aren't visually distringuishable, they are slightly larger, few seem to care so while supply is lower, demand for these is lower too. I would put 73 commons at $20 and 74 commons at $10.
-
OK. I am trying to set general prices set in the middle. (Reliable as possible with what we have.)
If you don't mind, I also need prices for 73 and 74 posters. Not packs, but the posters themselves.
Thanks! (I'll stop after that. :great: )
I think it is great that you are doing this. Save completed auctions and browse the sold items to guide you. You have to realize that some collectors are going to be biased and feel items that they specifically collect are worth more like duo who habitually called out unopened packs are being worth more than they were selling on ebay with no explanation as to why he wasn't buying all the packs on ebay. Few original series packs have sold for near $40, in fact, many have been failing to even get $20 per pack. when evaluating "full boxes", take into account that the box is itself probably has a could hundred $ in value. Tracking buy it now prices isn't ideal either as low buy it now prices get scooped up fast, I prefer to use items in which an auction went to closure as a measure of market value. matt;s stuff has been habitually selling for lower than expected values, I leave the analysis of why that is happening to each collector.
-
Speaking specifically of unopened packs, I personally have no doubt that they would sell well and at strong prices if there was confidence in the marketplace that the packs were legit. Another issue in the last five years is that packs have dried up to the point where they are kind of "out of sight, out of mind," so few collectors seem to want to get involved.
Can anyone imagine that if a minty cache of early series packs turned up with a respected and recognized provenance that they would not be aggressively pursued?
PSA grading of packs is still a mess in my opinion and likely always will be. The pack checking and certification process is pretty good (though fake sports cello packs have been and likely still will be certified from time to time). But the encapsulation process for packs is awful. Look on eBay at all of the PSA 9 graded packs with multiple tears from gum poking through. There just isn't any way to reliably encapsulate a pack, and so it's tough to get a system in place that promotes buyer confidence.
-
Speaking specifically of unopened packs, I personally have no doubt that they would sell well and at strong prices if there was confidence in the marketplace that the packs were legit. Another issue in the last five years is that packs have dried up to the point where they are kind of "out of sight, out of mind," so few collectors seem to want to get involved.
Can anyone imagine that if a minty cache of early series packs turned up with a respected and recognized provenance that they would not be aggressively pursued?
PSA grading of packs is still a mess in my opinion and likely always will be. The pack checking and certification process is pretty good (though fake sports cello packs have been and likely still will be certified from time to time). But the encapsulation process for packs is awful. Look on eBay at all of the PSA 9 graded packs with multiple tears from gum poking through. There just isn't any way to reliably encapsulate a pack, and so it's tough to get a system in place that promotes buyer confidence.
For all the reasons you stated, packs are not as valuable as duo seems to think. yes, if the world was an ideal place, everything would potentially be worth more. duo constantly confuses his market of one or two high end buyers who are hiding in a closet somewhere as a measure of average market value. Some day I will explain the concept of bell curves to him. Exceptions do not define the hump.
-
I think it is great that you are doing this. Save completed auctions and browse the sold items to guide you. You have to realize that some collectors are going to be biased and feel items that they specifically collect are worth more like duo who habitually called out unopened packs are being worth more than they were selling on ebay with no explanation as to why he wasn't buying all the packs on ebay. Few original series packs have sold for near $40, in fact, many have been failing to even get $20 per pack. when evaluating "full boxes", take into account that the box is itself probably has a could hundred $ in value. Tracking buy it now prices isn't ideal either as low buy it now prices get scooped up fast, I prefer to use items in which an auction went to closure as a measure of market value. matt;s stuff has been habitually selling for lower than expected values, I leave the analysis of why that is happening to each collector.
Yep. I just want to make it easier for people to get pricing on the cards, but I also want it to be accurate. In total, it will be 42 pages worth of spreadsheets long as of now. This doesn't include the first page which is a table of contents. I will post it here for people to criticize it to make it as close to fair market value as possible. There will be a credits page at the end as well to shoutout the people who helped.
It is definitely going to take a while, though.
And who is "Duo"? Am I going insane?
-
I'm pretty sure he's referring to Steve Sabow. Maybe "Duo" is a Batman reference to his "dynamic two" ID?
-
I'm pretty sure he's referring to Steve Sabow. Maybe "Duo" is a Batman reference to his "dynamic two" ID?
Yes Dynamic 2. Constant battle between reality and theory.
-
http://www.wackypackage.com/Wacky%20Packs/HTML%20Stuff/priceguide1.txt
I haven't updated my price guide in over a decade but I think it's done pretty well standing up the test of time
-
http://www.wackypackage.com/Wacky%20Packs/HTML%20Stuff/priceguide1.txt
I haven't updated my price guide in over a decade but I think it's done pretty well standing up the test of time
I agree it has stood up pretty well. One exception is among the 1st series big four Lavirus is definitely second to Band-Ache in value now. Paul Maul and Mutts seem easier to find than Lavirus, especially in nice shape.
-
I agree it has stood up pretty well. One exception is among the 1st series big four Lavirus is definitely second to Band-Ache in value now. Paul Maul and Mutts seem easier to find than Lavirus, especially in nice shape.
Rarity and price don't always seem to align. When I see equal grades lavirus and Paul Maul, the paul maul sells for more. I am not ever sure of the rationalization for that. Perhaps people are filling their series 1 holes with Wonderbread titles and since they can't with Paul maul and Bandache, they sell for more?
-
It's been a while since I chimed in but I still need original boxes series 1 to 5, and 16. I will also be getting ready soon for the National Sports Collectors Convention in Cleveland during the first week in August. Before I go, I will provide a list and prices for all of my duplicates including series 1 packs and 1967 diecut packs and many other original series full boxes. Where have all of the original boxes gone? I have only added 2 boxes in one year and both are dups. Really been spending more money on sports packs from the 1940s to 1970; will bring them to the show. Happy hunting. Steve
-
It's been a while since I chimed in but I still need original boxes series 1 to 5, and 16. I will also be getting ready soon for the National Sports Collectors Convention in Cleveland during the first week in August. Before I go, I will provide a list and prices for all of my duplicates including series 1 packs and 1967 diecut packs and many other original series full boxes. Where have all of the original boxes gone? I have only added 2 boxes in one year and both are dups. Really been spending more money on sports packs from the 1940s to 1970; will bring them to the show. Happy hunting. Steve
Steve,
It's been years since packs and boxes showed up for public sale regularly, but even 10-15 years ago there was a stark difference in availability for early series boxes compared to later ones. I would estimate I have seen 6th, 7th, 9th 10th, 14th and 15th series boxes at least ten times each over the years, whereas I can count the number of legit series 1-5 boxes I have seen on a single hand. I used to own a 2nd series box and there was a Bum/Choke checklist 4th box broken up a few years ago that I recall. But for the most part they just aren't around. Then again, that's what I thought about 11ths until two turned up, so one never knows!
-
Steve,
It's been years since packs and boxes showed up for public sale regularly, but even 10-15 years ago there was a stark difference in availability for early series boxes compared to later ones. I would estimate I have seen 6th, 7th, 9th 10th, 14th and 15th series boxes at least ten times each over the years, whereas I can count the number of legit series 1-5 boxes I have seen on a single hand. I used to own a 2nd series box and there was a Bum/Choke checklist 4th box broken up a few years ago that I recall. But for the most part they just aren't around. Then again, that's what I thought about 11ths until two turned up, so one never knows!
A bout a year and a half ago someone had put a full series 3 box and a partial series 3 box. I think the full box went for something crazy like 15k, but maybe not that high. My memory is spotty these days. Does anyone still have the link to those auctions or remember the prices on them?
-
A bout a year and a half ago someone had put a full series 3 box and a partial series 3 box. I think the full box went for something crazy like 15k, but maybe not that high. My memory is spotty these days. Does anyone still have the link to those auctions or remember the prices on them?
If you mean the box with red packs, my foggy recollection is that Eric Roberts bought that and returned it because the packs were resealed.
-
If you mean the box with red packs, my foggy recollection is that Eric Roberts bought that and returned it because the packs were resealed.
Yes, and wow I had not heard that. That really stinks. A find that seems to go to be true usually is I guess.
-
Yes, and wow I had not heard that. That really stinks. A find that seems to go to be true usually is I guess.
Don't quote me on this because I can't remember where I heard it. I am looking through PMs, but that is my recollection.
-
Where have all of the original boxes gone?
Long time passin'...
couldn't resist
-
Long time passin'...
couldn't resist
Original series boxes show up all the time, full original packs in original boxes rarely show up, full original boxes full of packs accumulated over time show up from time to time. Original series packs are on ebay weekly....so one can accumulate those packs and make "full" boxes. The packs on ebay seem to be series 5 and later.
-
Original series boxes show up all the time, full original packs in original boxes rarely show up, full original boxes full of packs accumulated over time show up from time to time. Original series packs are on ebay weekly....so one can accumulate those packs and make "full" boxes. The packs on ebay seem to be series 5 and later.
The packs that are on eBay weekly are the same ones that are there every week, not new finds, hardly ever. They are the same few overpriced common packs. I'm not seeing enough packs for sale on eBay to fill boxes, not even close. As for empty boxes, they don't show up all the time, they show up once in a while in crappy shape.
-
I guess I must be looking in the wrong place but where are the boxes that show up frequently? I saw a large number of series 7 packs No Gum show up last year, but I don't even remember one original box on eBay last year. Maybe I missed it.
But when I do buy boxes, I check to make sure that the number of packs have an even number of similar advertisements on the back; like 24 of one, 12 of another and 12 of another.
The series 11 box I bought 2 years ago had the correct ratio of ad backs. Now it could have been put together with the correct number of packs, but how would we ever know that? Also, who has a supply of series 11 packs?
I knew that Eric bought the partial box, but did not hear that he had to return it. Ouch. I have had a number of dealings with him in the past, and he is always a pleasure to deal with. Unfortunately, he is looking for the rarest of the rare that just does not turn up every day, especially when you want to upgrade what is already pretty damn nice.
I don't have that same issue with sports card boxes since they sell for extraordinary prices that the normal collector just can't afford. The investors have that market as they open them and grade the cards looking for the perfect 10. Every year, there are less and less unopened product becoming available.
But my display in Cleveland this summer will highlight such unopened packs and boxes, mostly sports but I will have at least one showcase of unopened non sports packs and boxes, including original Wackys, I will send you all a near complete list of what I will be bringing with me sometime in May or June, even though the show is in August.
Regards,
Steve Sabow
DynamicTwo
P.S. I often advertise in The Wrapper, and will have an ad in the issue that comes out in about 7 weeks and the issue that follows that one, just not the latest issue. My contact information is always in my ad.
-
The packs that are on eBay weekly are the same ones that are there every week, not new finds, hardly ever. They are the same few overpriced common packs. I'm not seeing enough packs for sale on eBay to fill boxes, not even close. As for empty boxes, they don't show up all the time, they show up once in a while in crappy shape.
crappy shape is not part of the equation. overpriced is also not part of the equation. I did a 2 second scan of sold auctions and found packs from series 6-10 which is exactly what I said in terms of packs often showing up on ebay.
-
I guess I must be looking in the wrong place but where are the boxes that show up frequently? I saw a large number of series 7 packs No Gum show up last year, but I don't even remember one original box on eBay last year. Maybe I missed it.
But when I do buy boxes, I check to make sure that the number of packs have an even number of similar advertisements on the back; like 24 of one, 12 of another and 12 of another.
The series 11 box I bought 2 years ago had the correct ratio of ad backs. Now it could have been put together with the correct number of packs, but how would we ever know that? Also, who has a supply of series 11 packs?
I knew that Eric bought the partial box, but did not hear that he had to return it. Ouch. I have had a number of dealings with him in the past, and he is always a pleasure to deal with. Unfortunately, he is looking for the rarest of the rare that just does not turn up every day, especially when you want to upgrade what is already pretty damn nice.
I don't have that same issue with sports card boxes since they sell for extraordinary prices that the normal collector just can't afford. The investors have that market as they open them and grade the cards looking for the perfect 10. Every year, there are less and less unopened product becoming available.
But my display in Cleveland this summer will highlight such unopened packs and boxes, mostly sports but I will have at least one showcase of unopened non sports packs and boxes, including original Wackys, I will send you all a near complete list of what I will be bringing with me sometime in May or June, even though the show is in August.
Regards,
Steve Sabow
DynamicTwo
P.S. I often advertise in The Wrapper, and will have an ad in the issue that comes out in about 7 weeks and the issue that follows that one, just not the latest issue. My contact information is always in my ad.
Series 3, 10 and 12 display boxes all showed up and sold recently. Not worth getting into an argument on the definition of frequently. My assessment which breaks down the differences of the types of boxes and frequency ratios are dead on.
-
I guess that I must not have been paying full attention recently and missed their listings. I would have been interested in all three of them, especially series 3. I have been spending too much time on sports unopened packs and boxes, which sell themselves quickly. My focus has been strictly 1948 to 1970 for all four sports. Just tough to pass up on when they become available. Maybe the reader who bought the series 3 box wants to resell it?
-
I think I misunderstood -- I am only looking for unopened boxes. And your assessment was for packs and empty display boxes. I get it.
-
I think I misunderstood -- I am only looking for unopened boxes. And your assessment was for packs and empty display boxes. I get it.
Yes, I outlined the different ways boxes can be collected with details around each as often people intermix "full boxes" with original state full box. You are dead on that original state full boxes would be strictly collated with a pattern. I don't believe this is commonly known which is why fraudsters don't hesitate to just take a pile of accumulated packs to fill a box to sell as a "full box" creating the mirage this is original state full box(which in my opinion deserves a premium value). Those such boxes are very rare with maybe one per year showing up.
-
Back in the 90's I bought a price guide and general collector info for unopened packs, cellos, rack packs, etc. of sportscards. The author was a dealer specializing in unopened material, I believe the name is Mark Murphy. Anyway, one tip he gave to ensure you're dealing with an original state box is to pick up each stack of packs within the box and look for perfect consistency in the folding patterns, any dog-eared flaps curled around the edges of packs, the area where packs are sealed, etc. Since they came off the production line consecutively to fill the original box, these traits should all be identical and packs should nest together closely (though Wackys may not do that as well with gum sliding around that's thicker than the cards themselves).
-
Back in the 90's I bought a price guide and general collector info for unopened packs, cellos, rack packs, etc. of sportscards. The author was a dealer specializing in unopened material, I believe the name is Mark Murphy. Anyway, one tip he gave to ensure you're dealing with an original state box is to pick up each stack of packs within the box and look for perfect consistency in the folding patterns, any dog-eared flaps curled around the edges of packs, the area where packs are sealed, etc. Since they came off the production line consecutively to fill the original box, these traits should all be identical and packs should nest together closely (though Wackys may not do that as well with gum sliding around that's thicker than the cards themselves).
That's absolutely all true. If you're able to examine the packs (i.e. the box is not sealed by BBCE) it's usually very obvious whether a box is original or not. I once examined a 3rd series full box and it was very obvious that the packs were from exactly two sources. One group had completely different shades of yellow and blue on the wrappers compared to the other. One group was extremely fresh while the other group of packs looked more dingy. That's why I hate buying/selling wrapped boxes unless there are detailed photos of the packs taken prior to wrapping.
-
As a collector and dealer in unopened sports and non sports cards, I keep copies of the following on hand at all times;
-- Mark Murphy's "The World's Best Unopened Pack, Wrapper and Display Box Guide"
-- Alan "Mr. Mint" Rosen -- The Michigan Million Dollar Vintage Unopened Pack Auction"
Neither are perfect, but together they show copies of most sports packs and the second auction catalog contains pictures of most non sports too into the early 1970s.
Unfortunately, there are some rare or tough sports packs in particular that neither guide can help with, and even PSA is sometimes no help.
Net 54 can sometimes help but some packs are just so rare that the available knowledge is non existent.
NOTE: Both are very old so out of date prices, just great for the pix.
No Wackys in the auction catalog except for the 1967 diecut, which I would gladly buy all day at the estimated $200 to $500.
-
Yes, that's the guide (Murphy) I was referring to. Agreed, an excellent resource regardless of dated pricing, if for no other reason than matching the wrapper designs for each sport and year, plus the general collector tips on what to look for in evaluating material. There were some things in there I'd never even seen before, such as "tray packs".
-
(https://s19.postimg.cc/udo0cqm6r/IMG_1721.jpg)
-
I know this is an old thread, but I'm one of the 90's collectors, so it fits... I was wondering what you guys think one of those rare Irish TEST packs would go for these days. I had one of the cleanest of the batch for a long time, but let it go a few years ago as a gift. I sometimes kick myself for not at least getting it graded first as there were so few left unopened, and without all those weird little black dots on the front. I think the trade value I gave up for it was about $500 when the lot was found. But I figured when I gave it away it could have been double by then. Any clue if any of them are even still out there in-tact?
-
I know this is an old thread, but I'm one of the 90's collectors, so it fits... I was wondering what you guys think one of those rare Irish TEST packs would go for these days. I had one of the cleanest of the batch for a long time, but let it go a few years ago as a gift. I sometimes kick myself for not at least getting it graded first as there were so few left unopened, and without all those weird little black dots on the front. I think the trade value I gave up for it was about $500 when the lot was found. But I figured when I gave it away it could have been double by then. Any clue if any of them are even still out there in-tact?
I still have this one.
(https://i.postimg.cc/QNz5wJyd/itf.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/SQPTd8LW/itb.jpg)
I honestly can’t see a lot of people clamoring for this pack. It’s pretty rare now, but demand doesn’t seem that high.
-
I still have this one.
(https://i.postimg.cc/QNz5wJyd/itf.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/SQPTd8LW/itb.jpg)
I honestly can’t see a lot of people clamoring for this pack. It’s pretty rare now, but demand doesn’t seem that high.
I'd be interested in one of those if it turned up. You got me hooked on sealed packs!
-
I'd be interested in one of those if it turned up. You got me hooked on sealed packs!
I would be interested as well, not sure of too many who would reject one of these packs.
-
'73- All commons 30, the three rares 150.
'74- All are 20.
Wow... what happened to the posters? The rare 3 cereals were always consistently $300 ea. once everyone figured out what they were & rarity, etc. How'd the price drop in half this many years later while 16th & Diecuts have skyrocketed? Strange.
-
I seed this was posted in 2017. Not trying to keep a thread alive, but is Band Aches price list still a good ballpark of what things sell for? I am going to be trying to buy some Original Series stickers of Series 7-15, not sure what the market is, other than the listings on E-bay
-
I seed this was posted in 2017. Not trying to keep a thread alive, but is Band Aches price list still a good ballpark of what things sell for? I am going to be trying to buy some Original Series stickers of Series 7-15, not sure what the market is, other than the listings on E-bay
Not sure what his list prices them at, but those are all really cheap. Only a couple titles like Pupsi, Bloodweiser, and maybe Gums would cost more. The latter two are less so.
-
I seed this was posted in 2017. Not trying to keep a thread alive, but is Band Aches price list still a good ballpark of what things sell for? I am going to be trying to buy some Original Series stickers of Series 7-15, not sure what the market is, other than the listings on E-bay
actually Series 11-15 do command a little more money as they were not produced as much as 5-8
-
actually Series 11-15 do command a little more money as they were not produced as much as 5-8
I would agree with you if you said “in high grade”. I don’t think there’s a noticeable difference in price for those sets. Series 15 is the only one of which might be $1-2 higher per card in my experience.
I suppose you’ve been here longer than me, however, so you likely know the markets better.
-
actually Series 11-15 do command a little more money as they were not produced as much as 5-8
Absolutely correct, later series command more, I would say almost double. Middle series are probably like $50 and later series $100 and more with series 15 approaching $150. ebay has proven this out. If people look at completed auctions and do apples to apples on condition. There are always exceptions due to bizarre shill bids or odd buy it nows but over time, I think my assessment above is pretty accurate.
-
So...your advice to a novice buyer like myself, would be to avoid the unopened packs on e-bay? Prices seem fairly high (some outrageously so) and without precise photos, or inspecting the packs in person, its pretty hard to tell what you are getting in terms of re-sealed packs? I guess these sellers are trying to capitalize on our desire to open packs...
-
So...your advice to a novice buyer like myself, would be to avoid the unopened packs on e-bay? Prices seem fairly high (some outrageously so) and without precise photos, or inspecting the packs in person, its pretty hard to tell what you are getting in terms of re-sealed packs? I guess these sellers are trying to capitalize on our desire to open packs...
OPEN them??? >( >( >( >( >(
-
So...your advice to a novice buyer like myself, would be to avoid the unopened packs on e-bay? Prices seem fairly high (some outrageously so) and without precise photos, or inspecting the packs in person, its pretty hard to tell what you are getting in terms of re-sealed packs? I guess these sellers are trying to capitalize on our desire to open packs...
No, do not buy ungraded packs on eBay if you require that they be original and not resealed.
-
No, do not buy ungraded packs on eBay if you require that they be original and not resealed.
Absolutely. Thought I had that in my response, but must have accidentally deleted it.
-
I guess it should not surprise me that unscrupulous sellers would open, take out rare cards, and re-seal… Do these people own heat seal machines, or are they just re-gluing them???
-
I guess it should not surprise me that unscrupulous sellers would open, take out rare cards, and re-seal… Do these people own heat seal machines, or are they just re-gluing them???
No machine, all they need is hot iron. I won’t get into details, but there are YouTube videos out there on this. I collect almost only 1992 O-pee-chee OS, so I don’t have to worry - not much rare in there ;D
-
No machine, all they need is hot iron. I won’t get into details, but there are YouTube videos out there on this. I collect almost only 1992 O-pee-chee OS, so I don’t have to worry - not much rare in there ;D
It’s very easy to detect packs that have been resealed with an iron in person, but on eBay, not so much.
-
It’s very easy to detect packs that have been resealed with an iron in person, but on eBay, not so much.
That's why my unsealed pack collection comes from forum friends!
-
That's why my unsealed pack collection comes from forum friends!
So, when you get 'em, you open 'em? :P
-
So, when you get 'em, you open 'em? :P
Unresealed? 🙂
-
Unresealed? 🙂
Oh crap, I did it again. Of course, I meant my "SEALED" pack collection. Guess I am too tired to post.
-
Just curious, what do you collectors do with sealed packs? Put them in a display cabinet? I couldn’t resist opening them…..i know that reducers their value. Where would legit sealed packs come from at this point, 46-year-old NOS?
-
Seller on fleabay currently has a full box of unopened Series 10 packs. Asking $3,000 for it. Out of my price range, but worth it? Does it look legit? Seller is “monkeydogz.”
-
I would be concerned that the water damage evident on the box could affect some of the packs. It’s overpriced anyway. I haven’t bought packs in some time, but 10ths are among the most common and to me should not be worth more than $20 apiece, $25 max. Even in nice shape this is a $1200-1500 box IMHO.
-
I guess there’s no downside to a seller seeing if there’s one or two crazy buyers….
-
Just curious, what do you collectors do with sealed packs? Put them in a display cabinet? I couldn’t resist opening them…..i know that reducers their value. Where would legit sealed packs come from at this point, 46-year-old NOS?
I normally buy a box, and then buy some loose packs so I have something to open. For my part I like the art work, and just having the box up close to study. Like you though I am always tempted to open packs. I am not sure long term what my plan is as I haven’t sold anything I own. ;D
-
I guess there’s no downside to a seller seeing if there’s one or two crazy buyers….
Believe or not I am seeing this with 91 Topps/92 OPC both sets and sealed. People are just placing crazy prices. I mean over $200 for a complete set OPC 1991 just seems ridiculous ;D However if that sells, I guess it’s good for me 8)
-
I am not sure if the Wacky market has seen this, but in comics, my other collectible, prices the last year have SKYROCKETED…with most key issues spiking 50-100 percent. Said comics are no more rare than they were a year ago, so maybe an economist can explain this market spike….
-
I would be concerned that the water damage evident on the box could affect some of the packs. It’s overpriced anyway. I haven’t bought packs in some time, but 10ths are among the most common and to me should not be worth more than $20 apiece, $25 max. Even in nice shape this is a $1200-1500 box IMHO.
That is exactly the price range I was thinking.
-
I am not sure if the Wacky market has seen this, but in comics, my other collectible, prices the last year have SKYROCKETED…with most key issues spiking 50-100 percent. Said comics are no more rare than they were a year ago, so maybe an economist can explain this market spike….
As with cards, thanks to the stay at home orders, more people got into comics and cards. I just got back from the Nationals and it was more packed than I have ever seen that show. I talked with some of my dealer friends and all of them said it was a good show. Now normally you can find the great deals everywhere there, however great deals were far and few between.
-
Do we think this seller is asking so much for that box because of Pupsi? Even if you pulled multiple Pupsis, that box would not seem to be worth $3,000....excuse me $2,999.....
-
How often do you see a complete unopened box of any series of Wacky Packages these days? If it's truly an unopened box from 1974, the price is probably reasonable even with the water damage because other than an uncut sheet, it's the purest form available. Shame on any of you who would open the packs!
I think it should have a higher value than buying an empty box and then buying 48 unopened packs and putting them into it over time - or even buying 48 wrappers, 96 stickers, 48 checklists, and 48 stale pieces of gum, and resealing them to make your own packs to fill it. Sure you'd have a full box of "unopened" packs, but you still wouldn't have an unopened box from 1974. Compare that to finding a 1929 Ford Model A Deluxe Roadster in working condition, although a little dirty, with all original parts vs. buying one from the junk yard and piecing together all the missing and broken parts to make a running car. The latter might be more fun if you're into that, but the former would surely be worth more.
Too many people think that the sum of the parts is greater than the whole, when in some cases, the opposite is true when it's truly a rare find.
-
Just for grins, i emailed the seller and asked him where he got a full box of 10th series Original Wacky Packages….his response was “ive had it for a very very long time.” I wasn’t expecting a full provenance, but this didn’t fill me with confidence…. The seller has a lot of transactions with a very good rating on e-bay…..
-
In 2002 there was a dealer at the Philly non-Sports show who had multiple boxes of 9th and 10th series for $250 apiece. He still does the show to this day but his supply of wackys has run fairly dry.
What is very uncommon is boxes from series 1-5 and 11 and 13. The other series turn up, though not as often as they used to.
-
Wow, its like anything else. If you could go back in time with a bit of cash, or just have had the foresight to have bought 4 or 5 boxes….they would now be worth 10 or 12 times what you paid…..
-
Could someone give me a ballpark price for an un-opened pack (and box) of the Posters? I am referring to the blue pack ones. I have seen these on e-bay lately as both single packs and as full boxes. Are these not so rare?
-
You can get a full box in the 600-700 range. Sometimes you can find them in the 500's
-
This isn’t really a sealed pack discussion, but i need a First series set. A seller called Make Mine Marvel has a complete set on e-bay, all stickers there, says condition is “great” (i know thats not a recognized grade.) Starting bid is $180, i know it could go substantially higher, but seems too good to be true….
-
This isn’t really a sealed pack discussion, but i need a First series set. A seller called Make Mine Marvel has a complete set on e-bay, all stickers there, says condition is “great” (i know thats not a recognized grade.) Starting bid is $180, i know it could go substantially higher, but seems too good to be true….
Make Mine Marvel is Matt Stock... do some research on here about him before you decide!
Jim
-
Greg Grant has a 1st series set available through his web store which looks to be nice and priced reasonably.
https://www.wackypacks.com/forsale/new/vintage.html
-
Thank you for the tip. That set Mr. Grant has looks nice, but is a bit more than i have to spend at this time. It is a fair price, based on Band Aches price guide that says around $400 for a NM set. I dont quite trust the “bargain set” and will save up my money and wait snd see what else is out there….
-
Thank you for the tip. That set Mr. Grant has looks nice, but is a bit more than i have to spend at this time. It is a fair price, based on Band Aches price guide that says around $400 for a NM set. I dont quite trust the “bargain set” and will save up my money and wait snd see what else is out there….
It has been stated by some in the past that Matt’s eBay auctions do not always feature photos of the actual stickers you will receive, so that is something to keep in mind. And I personally think a NM 1st series set is worth at least $600.
-
Greg's first series set has the Oddie Boy variation, no? It looks like the shading is missing, most notably on the bowl. That adds probably ~$70 to the set I would guess.
-
I have not had dealings with Mr. Stock, but I am not a fan of using stock photos to represent what you are actually selling….or as my friend in the advertising business used to say “bait and switch.” I dont need (and cannot afford) a NM set, but i need to get what i think im getting. I am not familiar with the “Oddie Boy” variant, but am just looking for a good mid grade set. Thank you for the guidance, i am a relative novice in the secondary market. I completed some of the middle series in the 70s and 80s, and like many, with being locked down the last 15 months, am looking to fill in or complete my sets….I would welcome any other input on the value if a mid-grade first series…
-
I would welcome any other input on the value if a mid-grade first series…
If by "mid-grade" you're talking around EX/EX+, then I'd say $200-$250 is about the target range.
-
My apologies, I am more familiar with the grades on comics, but yes, Ex + will do nicely….
-
A sealed box of 1973 is available https://www.bbcexchange.com/1973-Topps-Wacky-Packages-Unopened-Series-1-Wax-Box-BBCE. I guess the price makes sense considering the last box up at auction (https://sports.ha.com/itm/non-sports/1973-topps-wacky-packages-stickers-series-1-wax-box-with-48-unopened-packs-/a/50031-58496.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515) went close to 50k.
(https://i.postimg.cc/yJj7qwWm/3-C1-ABCCC-5-F2-E-44-A6-BDE5-2-CC8-C09-EFB62.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/yJj7qwWm)
-
A sealed box of 1973 is available https://www.bbcexchange.com/1973-Topps-Wacky-Packages-Unopened-Series-1-Wax-Box-BBCE. I guess the price makes sense considering the last box up at auction (https://sports.ha.com/itm/non-sports/1973-topps-wacky-packages-stickers-series-1-wax-box-with-48-unopened-packs-/a/50031-58496.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515) went close to 50k.
(https://i.postimg.cc/yJj7qwWm/3-C1-ABCCC-5-F2-E-44-A6-BDE5-2-CC8-C09-EFB62.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/yJj7qwWm)
So in trying to follow the trail of these boxes, my guess is the guy who came here sold at least 4 boxes to Steve Hart from BBCE. I believe the guy from here had 6 boxes. Steven promptly BBCE sealed a box, listed in on heritage referring to himself as second hand stating BBCE thinks the box is the "only one known" and is worth $50k and sure enough, it sold for $50k. I always felt that Heritage auction was misleading as no matter who the seller was, clearly they had to know more than one box had been unearthed and it was NOT one of a kind. I believe Steve has sold at least 3 boxes, he had one still showing at a recent show in Chicago which is offered in this link. Maybe Steve has 3 left and bought the whole stash but my gut tells me the guy that plopped in here looking for free advice kept 2 boxes for a rainy day.
-
So in trying to follow the trail of these boxes, my guess is the guy who came here sold at least 4 boxes to Steve Hart from BBCE. I believe the guy from here had 6 boxes. Steven promptly BBCE sealed a box, listed in on heritage referring to himself as second hand stating BBCE thinks the box is the "only one known" and is worth $50k and sure enough, it sold for $50k. I always felt that Heritage auction was misleading as no matter who the seller was, clearly they had to know more than one box had been unearthed and it was NOT one of a kind. I believe Steve has sold at least 3 boxes, he had one still showing at a recent show in Chicago which is offered in this link. Maybe Steve has 3 left and bought the whole stash but my gut tells me the guy that plopped in here looking for free advice kept 2 boxes for a rainy day.
Wow thanks for the story on this. I am newer to the forum. It’s a good thing I don’t have that kind of money, as I would buy and open. But I promise I would film it to savour every moment and share with you all. However, I don’t think I could ever spend that much on a box of cards. Maybe if 48 of us pony up 950 we each get a pack :]
-
Wow thanks for the story on this. I am newer to the forum. It’s a good thing I don’t have that kind of money, as I would buy and open. But I promise I would film it to savour every moment and share with you all. However, I don’t think I could ever spend that much on a box of cards. Maybe if 48 of us pony up 950 we each get a pack :]
A box like that should be left intact!
-
A box like that should be left intact!
Absolutely! And in there lays the conundrum of leaving it BBCE wrapped where you can't even enjoy seeing the packs inside. It's a collectible version of Schrödinger's cat.
-
Absolutely! And in there lays the conundrum of leaving it BBCE wrapped where you can't even enjoy seeing the packs inside. It's a collectible version of Schrödinger's cat.
I have said for years that BBCE should have a system where all packs in the box are photographed and part of the wrapping is a code number that points to the photos on their website. Absolutely necessary, because BBCE will wrap a box as long as they decide the packs are legitimate. They do not have to be from the same original box, and Frankenstein boxes like that are very easy to discern if you can examine the packs for uniformity. Impossible to tell without examining at least photos.
-
A box like that should be left intact!
Geez I can’t help it. I think it’s about having fun. And what’s more fun then opening packs? If I had the money, I would open and film the whole thing. Dissect it all and share in the fun with the community. I am not sure the fun in living a whole life and never opening the box. However, if I had two boxes, I would keep one closed and one I would open. Sorry if this upsets some, but I guess we approach things differently.
-
New one just posted. Seems like a great deal based on last sale. https://www.ebay.com/itm/195505648083?hash=item2d850b71d3:g:QVgAAOSwA7hjjsan&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAoEnQFygZ1Y5ISqW6lJB6gXmUKaPzC8JX%2F5EZ3U3LZAGd%2FMF3DF2jtwyFnpTgINLn6kfBUVt3VxsmvEXLOUc%2BgeQxNBQbvYEUcpsSp%2FgmIO7NtvvMTbEK5cjDKQWiiC5gGMd6TjvHaYbFfl5cA39vxraZSy%2FT6aAqEtrYO2lbyoImvVVOH79hVBvxwM03%2BLVt2eI7D06URJLdgtqJlU6Ps7M%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR6KVjYOdYQ
-
New one just posted. Seems like a great deal based on last sale. https://www.ebay.com/itm/195505648083?hash=item2d850b71d3:g:QVgAAOSwA7hjjsan&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAoEnQFygZ1Y5ISqW6lJB6gXmUKaPzC8JX%2F5EZ3U3LZAGd%2FMF3DF2jtwyFnpTgINLn6kfBUVt3VxsmvEXLOUc%2BgeQxNBQbvYEUcpsSp%2FgmIO7NtvvMTbEK5cjDKQWiiC5gGMd6TjvHaYbFfl5cA39vxraZSy%2FT6aAqEtrYO2lbyoImvVVOH79hVBvxwM03%2BLVt2eI7D06URJLdgtqJlU6Ps7M%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR6KVjYOdYQ
Thanks for sharing.
BTW (to everyone): when sharing an ebay link, you only need the part up to, but not including, the "?". So, this works just fine in the above case: https://www.ebay.com/itm/195505648083
'course, you could also just use the ebay button and include the item number, like so: eBay auction: #195505648083
-
Geez I can’t help it. I think it’s about having fun. And what’s more fun then opening packs? If I had the money, I would open and film the whole thing. Dissect it all and share in the fun with the community. I am not sure the fun in living a whole life and never opening the box. However, if I had two boxes, I would keep one closed and one I would open. Sorry if this upsets some, but I guess we approach things differently.
Everyone is entitled to what they like to do with what they collect. But, think of it from the history perspective, which many of us here do. To such folks, opening a box like that one is destroying a piece of history. There are many ways to view it.
-
New one just posted. Seems like a great deal based on last sale. https://www.ebay.com/itm/195505648083?hash=item2d850b71d3:g:QVgAAOSwA7hjjsan&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAoEnQFygZ1Y5ISqW6lJB6gXmUKaPzC8JX%2F5EZ3U3LZAGd%2FMF3DF2jtwyFnpTgINLn6kfBUVt3VxsmvEXLOUc%2BgeQxNBQbvYEUcpsSp%2FgmIO7NtvvMTbEK5cjDKQWiiC5gGMd6TjvHaYbFfl5cA39vxraZSy%2FT6aAqEtrYO2lbyoImvVVOH79hVBvxwM03%2BLVt2eI7D06URJLdgtqJlU6Ps7M%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR6KVjYOdYQ
It is only 30 packs, so isn’t it approximately in line with previous sales?
-
Now it can be told! My 85-fold pack was the 31st pack from this box! It took years of cajoling and pleading for him to sell me one. Fortunately, the box was never full, so I was finally able to get him to part with one over a decade ago.
Needless to say, these packs are legitimate and absolutely beautiful.
(https://i.postimg.cc/sx5LT7tj/FE80-AA6-E-6-CD3-49-FE-A277-1-B59-FA9796-C6.jpg)
-
Also interesting how none of the packs show the four rare titles. Makes you wonder if those were either opened or held by whoever had the box when it was full….
-
Also interesting how none of the packs show the four rare titles. Makes you wonder if those were either opened or held by whoever had the box when it was full….
It's so easy for a seller to tamper with these packs! They are so old and fragile, the adhesive seal probably dissolved and opens easily. It probably depends on the seller as well. I would never trust a new seller or someone unreliable.
-
It's so easy for a seller to tamper with these packs! They are so old and fragile, the adhesive seal probably dissolved and opens easily. It probably depends on the seller as well. I would never trust a new seller or someone unreliable.
These packs are definitely legit.
-
These packs are definitely legit.
Lots of weakies packs!
-
Price just increased from $30K to $32.5K
-
It's so easy for a seller to tamper with these packs! They are so old and fragile, the adhesive seal probably dissolved and opens easily. It probably depends on the seller as well. I would never trust a new seller or someone unreliable.
I had the exact same thought when I looked over this auction. Seems likely that they packs were opened because you can see the sticker through the back. Since you bought a pack from this box I am guessing that for sure it is neither a ludlow box or a tan back box.
-
I had the exact same thought when I looked over this auction. Seems likely that they packs were opened because you can see the sticker through the back. Since you bought a pack from this box I am guessing that for sure it is neither a ludlow box or a tan back box.
Not following you Bill. First of all, the packs have not been opened, they are 100% legit and original. The sticker usually shows through the back for 1st and 2nd series packs, though not always. It never does for series 3-13.
Of course it is likely a normal white back box. Is that a negative? If I had $30 K to blow I would absolutely buy this as it is a reasonable price and top quality.
-
Not following you Bill. First of all, the packs have not been opened, they are 100% legit and original. The sticker usually shows through the back for 1st and 2nd series packs, though not always. It never does for series 3-13.
Of course it is likely a normal white back box. Is that a negative? If I had $30 K to blow I would absolutely buy this as it is a reasonable price and top quality.
. Sorry, I meant that they probably opened up the packs that had band ache, mutts, etc in them since none of them are included in this lot
-
. Sorry, I meant that they probably opened up the packs that had band ache, mutts, etc in them since none of them are included in this lot
Oh I see. That is certainly a possibility, especially since it was 20+ years ago when unopened was not as popular as it is now.
-
So for years hardly any boxes and unopened series 1 packs are available and now suddenly you can hardly go a month without another one mainly thanks to the guy who popped in here bragging about the stash he had. Rumor now is that he had at least a case of these boxes as he originally said 5 but now 6 have been sold and more keep popping up in auction houses and the auction sellers supposedly are not part of the folks who bought the 6 boxes. I guess for the first time ever, series 1 pack prices might show a decline. if these packs were pieced out, would each pack fetch $1000? I doubt it as after the few left who would spend huge money just to get a pack are out, the 11th pack and onward would probably see falling value.
-
Just for the record, this current auction surfaced because Greg Schwartz bought one of the other full boxes, so he is selling this partial one he’s had for more than a decade.
-
Just for the record, this current auction surfaced because Greg Schwartz bought one of the other full boxes, so he is selling this partial one he’s had for more than a decade.
Yes didnt he say this in his ebay auction listing?
-
Yes didnt he say this in his ebay auction listing?
Yes.
I remember when Eric Roberts won this partial box on ebay in 2002. I don’t remember how much it went for, but it was more than I could spend at the time. Even then I thought the packs were pristine.
-
Yes.
I remember when Eric Roberts won this partial box on ebay in 2002. I don’t remember how much it went for, but it was more than I could spend at the time. Even then I thought the packs were pristine.
why would Eric have ever parted with this box? Greg must have had something Eric really wanted.
-
I guess someone snagged the box off ebay, I was going to make him an offer but then got lazy.
-
I guess someone snagged the box off ebay, I was going to make him an offer but then got lazy.
Not me, but I was tempted!