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Title: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: Paul_Maul on October 26, 2012, 06:33:03 PM
We've had many discussions over the years about original series wackys that are difficult to find in high grade. Sometimes it's because of inherent centering issues, sometimes the reasons aren't as obvious.

Rather than mentioning some of the best known stickers in this category, I'll start with the Bum Choke 4th puzzle. After ten years, I have exactly one piece that's in true NM/M condition without any wax.

As far as stickers, I'll start with 2nd series 8-Lives and 3rd series Sweathard (both always off center) and let others add to the list....
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: BumChex on October 26, 2012, 07:16:02 PM
This is a good topic and would love to hear about the challenging cards. I think my 1-16 run is pretty solid so I will need to review what you listed tomorrow. If mine are nice I will post scans. I could be wrong since I haven't reviewed them in a couple of years.

For me the toughest one has always been choke wagon. They all seem to be miscut and a lot have a bad cut on the left so the top is bigger than the bottom.
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: Kook on October 26, 2012, 07:21:39 PM
We've had many discussions over the years about original series wackys that are difficult to find in high grade. Sometimes it's because of inherent centering issues, sometimes the reasons aren't as obvious.

Rather than mentioning some of the best known stickers in this category, I'll start with the Bum Choke 4th puzzle. After ten years, I have exactly one piece that's in true NM/M condition without any wax.

As far as stickers, I'll start with 2nd series 8-Lives and 3rd series Sweathard (both always off center) and let others add to the list....

Here are a few from my experience:
1st - Kook aid
2nd - 8 lives, awful bits, gyppy pop ditch masters
3rd - raw leaves, sweat hard, moon shine crackers, windchester
4th - blue beanie, gatoraid, land o quakes
5th - tijuana smells, shot wheels
6th - play dumb, clammy, bum bums
7th - big muc, contrac, creature crackers
9th - Pigpen oil, GI toe, Jerky fruits
10th - tic toc, caraid
11th - gulp, fib, bash, alpain
12th - battlecaps
13th - doomed, sneezer
14th - Aint, sell'em
15th - fang edwards, bandage

This list varies mostly they are hard to find centered. A few are notorious diamond cut or misshaped cuts. And another few just NEVER seem to show up in nice condition no matter how many lots I look thru.
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: BumChex on October 26, 2012, 07:33:54 PM
Here are a few from my experience:
1st - Kook aid
2nd - 8 lives, awful bits, gyppy pop ditch masters
3rd - raw leaves, sweat hard, moon shine crackers, windchester
4th - blue beanie, gatoraid, land o quakes
5th - tijuana smells, shot wheels
6th - play dumb, clammy, bum bums
7th - big muc, contrac, creature crackers
9th - Pigpen oil, GI toe, Jerky fruits
10th - tic toc, caraid
11th - gulp, fib, bash, alpain
12th - battlecaps
13th - doomed, sneezer
14th - Aint, sell'em
15th - fang edwards, bandage

This list varies mostly they are hard to find centered. A few are notorious diamond cut or misshaped cuts. And another few just NEVER seem to show up in nice condition no matter how many lots I look thru.

WOW! You put that list together pretty fast. Now I have to do some searching tomorrow.
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: Paul_Maul on October 26, 2012, 08:38:17 PM
Here are a few from my experience:
1st - Kook aid
2nd - 8 lives, awful bits, gyppy pop ditch masters
3rd - raw leaves, sweat hard, moon shine crackers, windchester
4th - blue beanie, gatoraid, land o quakes
5th - tijuana smells, shot wheels
6th - play dumb, clammy, bum bums
7th - big muc, contrac, creature crackers
9th - Pigpen oil, GI toe, Jerky fruits
10th - tic toc, caraid
11th - gulp, fib, bash, alpain
12th - battlecaps
13th - doomed, sneezer
14th - Aint, sell'em
15th - fang edwards, bandage

This list varies mostly they are hard to find centered. A few are notorious diamond cut or misshaped cuts. And another few just NEVER seem to show up in nice condition no matter how many lots I look thru.

Definite agreement on Awful Bits, Blue Beanie, Tijuana Smells, Shot Wheels, Clammy, Pigpen, Jerky Fruits, Bash and Fang E.

Other long-standing upgrade needs for me include (1st) Dopey Whip and Grave Train, (4th) Choke Wagon (as Brad said),  Brute 88 (same deal as Jerky Fruits), (5th) Sicken of the Sea, and (8th) Rolaches (same miscut deal as the others).
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: Paul_Maul on October 26, 2012, 08:55:17 PM

1st - Kook aid
 

(http://s19.postimage.org/vinerk9k3/image.jpg)
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: bandaches on October 26, 2012, 09:00:57 PM
Definite agreement on Awful Bits, Blue Beanie, Tijuana Smells, Shot Wheels, Clammy, Pigpen, Jerky Fruits, Bash and Fang E.

Other long-standing upgrade needs for me include (1st) Dopey Whip and Grave Train, (4th) Choke Wagon (as Brad said),  Brute 88 (same deal as Jerky Fruits), (5th) Sicken of the Sea, and (8th) Rolaches (same miscut deal as the others).
anyone have issues with Taxim and Alpain?
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: Paul_Maul on October 26, 2012, 09:04:09 PM
anyone have issues with Taxim and Alpain?

Alpain, yes. I never viewed the 9th series as super tough, but now that I've gone through them carefully, there are a lot of annoying 9th series issues. Ironically, as series, I'd rate series 6-9 as the toughest to find in near perfect shape. And 14th tans too.
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: BumChex on October 26, 2012, 10:36:37 PM
(http://s19.postimage.org/vinerk9k3/image.jpg)

Is this one that hard? I have a PSA8 on this one. That could still be subjective. Hey, once it's stabbed its a real gem :o
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: Paul_Maul on October 27, 2012, 04:38:44 AM
Is this one that hard? I have a PSA8 on this one. That could still be subjective. Hey, once it's stabbed its a real gem :o

Honestly, this one is way nicer than the average PSA 8. Check out all the PSA 8's on ebay, many have wear at multiple corners,
tilt, diamond cut, tanning, etc.
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: Paul_Maul on October 27, 2012, 04:44:57 AM
Not that the PSA population report is an absolute barometer, but if you look at that you'll see a lot of this is borne out. For example,
there are only 12 Kook-Aids graded PSA 8 or higher. Many titles with the same sheet frequency are in the 20's and 30's. In fact the Kook-Aid >8 population is the same as Mutts.
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: Kook on October 27, 2012, 09:47:43 AM
WOW! You put that list together pretty fast. Now I have to do some searching tomorrow.

Only 2 or 3 years of non-stop upggrades to draw from ;)
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: ToadallyDude on December 11, 2012, 02:33:28 PM
This is a great topic!  I don't know how many Wackys I've owned over the years.  Certainly not as many as you guys with the websites or eBay stores, but 3 complete 1-16 runs and tons of singles & sets.  I agree with some of the ones on that list.  Choke Wagon and Shotwheels are definitely a challenge, partly because they're harder to find (pulled title & cross-collected by Hotwheels & car people).

3RD SERIES, though, is by far the worst case overall, though.  Obviously, a pack-fresh set of white-backs would be the exception.  But there was something about the way they printed the 3rd tans that made them MUCH duller than any other series.  Finding NM examples that are both centered AND bright is a challenge, even though the print run was high for 3rd. 

4th/5th/6th series often had the same problem, BUT when they started using the "glossy" variation paper, it gave collectors a way to get ultra-bright (not ultra-blight) versions of those.  I've never seen a "glossy" 3rd, though.  And by the 7th/8th, it seems like something changed in the quality of the normal non-glossy paper and that problem went away.

Kook-Aid always reminds me of my old IronMan#1 comic.  Something about dark purple ink that makes it hard to find in really nice shape.  (Sold mine at ComicCon in 2010 for $75 after it didn't really appreciate after the movie versions.  For some reason, it's always been one of the Silver Age #1 dogs.  Bought it for $12 in 1980 or so instead of X-Men #1 for $25.  Dumb choice.)

Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: BumChex on December 12, 2012, 12:16:03 PM
I finally found a little time to scan.
I checked on my PSA 8 Kook Aid and it's OC.
Here are scans of my series 2. All white back. The top Awful Bits is a black ludlow. I don't know why my scanner is showing the bottom of ditch master and the bottom awful bits with a curve. Both show a slight curve on the bottom and they are not. They Gyppy Pop is OC but still pretty solid.
I'll post more later today.

(http://s12.postimage.org/fx9kqhjll/OLDSScan_121212_0003.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/fx9kqhjll/)
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: BumChex on December 12, 2012, 01:03:58 PM
Here's series 3. Looks like my Moonshine is a bit OC and my Raw Leaves is OC with a couple bumped corners.

(http://s16.postimage.org/aqmme9ssh/OLDSScan_121212_0004.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/aqmme9ssh/)
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: BumChex on December 12, 2012, 01:09:16 PM
Series 4. I don't know if they would call the Land O OC? The Beanie is OC but still pretty sharp.

(http://s15.postimage.org/dgfvhb3h3/OLDSScan_121212_0005.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/dgfvhb3h3/)
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: BumChex on December 12, 2012, 01:13:08 PM
Series 5 - these both look pretty decent. The smells has a little faint yellowing.

(http://s14.postimage.org/m4w69ugql/OLDSScan_121212_0006.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/m4w69ugql/)
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: BumChex on December 12, 2012, 01:17:43 PM
series 6 - Clammy is really nice but it would be considered OC. Play Dumb could be upgraded.

(http://s10.postimage.org/771xc1g8l/OLDSScan_121212_0007.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/771xc1g8l/)
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: BumChex on December 12, 2012, 01:24:52 PM
Series 7 - I had Creature slabbed so I could get a good opinion of my overall series 7 series and it's one of my faves.

(http://s9.postimage.org/epngki6nv/OLDSScan_121212_0008.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/epngki6nv/)
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: BumChex on December 12, 2012, 01:31:00 PM
Series 9 - Pigpen is a tough one for me as well. Mine has a bit of a dog ear on the top left, track marks, & a bit of staining on the back. GI Toe is OC

(http://s12.postimage.org/9ayedntdl/OLDSScan_121212_0009.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/9ayedntdl/)
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: BumChex on December 12, 2012, 01:33:15 PM
Series 10- I think these both look good. Might be considered OC but it would be close.

(http://s8.postimage.org/yxjoro79t/OLDSScan_121212_0010.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/yxjoro79t/)
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: BumChex on December 12, 2012, 01:37:18 PM
Series 11 - This one has always been dear to my heart for some reason and I worked a bit harder to find NM cards. The FIB looks to be a bit miscut though.

(http://s10.postimage.org/gujoacub9/OLDSScan_121212_0011.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/gujoacub9/)
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: BumChex on December 12, 2012, 01:40:27 PM
Series 12 - My series 12 is pretty rock solid. This Battle Caps could be considered OC though.
Series 13 - mine are all slabbed. They all came back as PSA 6's because of tractor marks. :'(

(http://s16.postimage.org/cab03cyyp/OLDSScan_121212_0012.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/cab03cyyp/)
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: BumChex on December 12, 2012, 01:42:50 PM
Series 14 - Pretty solid but my aints is OC. That one is really tough!
(http://s10.postimage.org/mj3r6h2t1/OLDSScan_121212_0013.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/mj3r6h2t1/)
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: BumChex on December 12, 2012, 01:46:51 PM
Series 15 - I think I have a pretty solid series here. This has been a fun exercise to go through my collection again.

(http://s7.postimage.org/jxphyc2c7/OLDSScan_121212_0014.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/jxphyc2c7/)
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: Paul_Maul on December 13, 2012, 06:48:06 AM
Your Sweathard and 8-Lives have way above average centering, but unfortunately appear to be no better than 7's due to corner wear and other issues.

A PSA 8 Sweathard is worth over $100.

The 8-Lives is more like a PSA 6 actually.
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: BumChex on December 13, 2012, 07:53:42 AM
Your Sweathard and 8-Lives have way above average centering, but unfortunately appear to be no better than 7's due to corner wear and other issues.

A PSA 8 Sweathard is worth over $100.

The 8-Lives is more like a PSA 6 actually.

That's OK for me. I want a fairly solid 1-16 run. I'm happy if most of my cards are PSA 7. NM is what I am striving for.
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: Kook on December 13, 2012, 08:30:15 AM
Series 9 - Pigpen is a tough one for me as well. Mine has a bit of a dog ear on the top left, track marks, & a bit of staining on the back. GI Toe is OC

(http://s12.postimage.org/9ayedntdl/OLDSScan_121212_0009.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/9ayedntdl/)

That's an exceptional jerky fruits. Most are cut long on the right side.
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: gumby8691 on December 13, 2012, 02:12:20 PM
Series 14 - Pretty solid but my aints is OC. That one is really tough!
(http://s10.postimage.org/mj3r6h2t1/OLDSScan_121212_0013.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/mj3r6h2t1/)


I agree with you about 'Ain't' - It's one of the few holes in my 1-15 series collection. I have two but each one is off-centered. I do have a trifold which is easily NM AND centered but I keep my tri-folds separate for some reason (same with ludlows).
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: BumChex on December 13, 2012, 02:46:20 PM
I agree with you about 'Ain't' - It's one of the few holes in my 1-15 series collection. I have two but each one is off-centered. I do have a trifold which is easily NM AND centered but I keep my tri-folds separate for some reason (same with ludlows).

This one is really centered well but it's got a big fold in it eBay auction: #160822042000
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: BumChex on December 13, 2012, 03:02:12 PM
Could this be why Clammy's are so hard to find centered? eBay auction: #370709907993
There is another one in completed auctions that has a little black on the top as well.
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: BumChex on December 13, 2012, 03:10:54 PM
I was just looking up a few of these on ebay and noticed this seller and her completed auctions. I can't believe the prices some of these went for. Amazing! Plus it looks like she's pinching a corner on every card.
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: Paul_Maul on December 14, 2012, 08:55:44 AM
Could this be why Clammy's are so hard to find centered? eBay auction: #370709907993
There is another one in completed auctions that has a little black on the top as well.

This has been discussed in the past. Based on the way the sheet is laid out, any truly centered Clammy will appear miscut. So the best hope for a "centered" Clammy is one that is about 60/40, just O/C enough for the image of the other sticker to disappear.
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: gumby8691 on December 14, 2012, 10:12:06 AM
This one is really centered well but it's got a big fold in it eBay auction: #160822042000

Thanks - I saw that one too. Too bad about the crease.  :-[
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: Porkie on December 14, 2012, 11:10:39 AM
There were several auctions recently by a "coca_cola_collecting" that appeared to have some higher grade Wackys in them (although the images were definitely saturated/brightened a bit).

I put in a snipe or two but someone really wanted these sets, going to $180 for a partial (29/30) 4th series set (http://www.ebay.com/itm/330838858865?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_sacat%3D0%26_from%3DR40%26_nkw%3D330838858865%26_rdc%3D1) and amazingly $220 for a partial (28/33) 7th series set (http://www.ebay.com/itm/330838883614?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_sacat%3D0%26_from%3DR40%26_nkw%3D330838883614%26_rdc%3D1)!!

Was it one of you, perhaps? :)






Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: Paul_Maul on December 14, 2012, 11:40:43 AM
This has got to be the ugliest PSA 8.5 ever! Horrible tanning, very noticeable diamond cut...this is why I'll never be impressed with a PSA registry set unless I see the actual photos!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/N-1974-Wacky-Packs-5th-Series-Pounds-PSA-8-5-/200862765340?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ec45a911c (http://www.ebay.com/itm/N-1974-Wacky-Packs-5th-Series-Pounds-PSA-8-5-/200862765340?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ec45a911c)
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: RawGoo on December 14, 2012, 11:53:12 AM
This has got to be the ugliest PSA 8.5 ever! Horrible tanning, very noticeable diamond cut...this is why I'll never be impressed with a PSA registry set unless I see the actual photos!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/N-1974-Wacky-Packs-5th-Series-Pounds-PSA-8-5-/200862765340?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ec45a911c (http://www.ebay.com/itm/N-1974-Wacky-Packs-5th-Series-Pounds-PSA-8-5-/200862765340?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ec45a911c)


I wonder how many of my OS stickers are diamond cut.  The recessed holder seems to make that flaw much more obvious, to me, anyway.
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: bigtomi on December 14, 2012, 07:46:55 PM
I decided I would like to play this game, as I've considered my 1-16 pretty high grade for a while. This little exercise has shown me a few things, though. All of these posts show the sticker that is currently in my keeper set. It's possible I have a better example in my extras...but unlikely. Anyway, on with the show. And, I'd appreciate any comments, especially from those doing a lot of upgrades on these.

Here's my Series 1 and 2 stickers. Dopey's o/c high, but the rest are good, I think.

(http://s17.postimage.org/ybbnp8063/001.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ybbnp8063/)(http://s14.postimage.org/qh1d5icgd/002.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/qh1d5icgd/)
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: bigtomi on December 14, 2012, 07:54:11 PM
Here's Series 3 and 4. Moonshine and Windchester are o/c. All of the Series 4s are o/c some, too, but Choke is about as good as I've seen (he says humbly, LOL).

(http://s15.postimage.org/iq9cs2ohz/003.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/iq9cs2ohz/)(http://s9.postimage.org/ywk31xnx7/004.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ywk31xnx7/)
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: bigtomi on December 14, 2012, 07:59:12 PM
Here's Series 5 and 6. Shotwheels is a bit o/c, but all of the 6s are, too. More so than I would have bet they were. Time to start hunting for better ones of them...

(http://s17.postimage.org/nimizocez/005.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/nimizocez/)(http://s10.postimage.org/frfv21bsl/006.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/frfv21bsl/)
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: bigtomi on December 14, 2012, 08:09:35 PM
Here's Series 7, 8 and 9. Big Muc is o/c (and diamond cut a bit?). The artwork on Muc [with the hexagonal black border shape] always made it hard to find one that really looked great, IMO. The other two 7s look good to me. Jerkyfruit is o/c. The other 8 and 9s look pretty decent to me.

(http://s16.postimage.org/ut0hes91d/007.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ut0hes91d/)(http://s18.postimage.org/n9y3dqjx1/008.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/n9y3dqjx1/)
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: bigtomi on December 14, 2012, 08:15:34 PM
Here's Series 10 and 11. Other than rollers on Caraid, the 10s look decent. Bash and Fib have the usual diamond cut, but not horribly; it IS hard to find square ones of them.

(http://s16.postimage.org/p6db8sla9/009.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/p6db8sla9/)(http://s16.postimage.org/abopumbpd/010.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/abopumbpd/)
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: bigtomi on December 14, 2012, 08:23:50 PM
Here's Series 12-15. Doomed is o/c a bit and so is Sneezer, I guess. Both 14s need help with centering. Fang could be graded by a jeweler. Bandage is the best of that bunch.

This was fun for me!! Hope y'all enjoyed seeing my stickers, LOL!!

(http://s13.postimage.org/tvqueb2df/011.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/tvqueb2df/)(http://s8.postimage.org/ggj4eiw75/012.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ggj4eiw75/)
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: BumChex on December 14, 2012, 08:26:50 PM
Here's Series 3 and 4. Moonshine and Windchester are o/c. All of the Series 4s are o/c some, too, but Choke is about as good as I've seen (he says humbly, LOL).

(http://s15.postimage.org/iq9cs2ohz/003.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/iq9cs2ohz/)(http://s9.postimage.org/ywk31xnx7/004.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ywk31xnx7/)


That Choke Wagon is one of the best I've seen. You have a few minor diamond cut cards. Stickers on flimsy paper is really tough. I would be proud!
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: bigtomi on December 14, 2012, 08:36:20 PM
That Choke Wagon is one of the best I've seen. You have a few minor diamond cut cards. Stickers on flimsy paper is really tough. I would be proud!
Thanks, Brad. I keep workin' on it when I can. Like I said in my first post, it has pointed out to me where I need to place some more effort.
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: Paul_Maul on December 18, 2012, 07:23:39 AM
Any chance of a PSA 9 on this one? Or is the vertical centering insufficient?

(http://s19.postimage.org/mmf2h295v/chex.jpg)
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: BumChex on December 18, 2012, 08:22:15 AM
Any chance of a PSA 9 on this one? Or is the vertical centering insufficient?



I think you would be fine on the centering. It's pretty nice!
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: ratchet007 on December 18, 2012, 12:17:35 PM
Any chance of a PSA 9 on this one? Or is the vertical centering insufficient?

I also think the cetering is fine. The only drawback I notice is the slight discoloration of the border. Unless this is because of the scan. Not sure how PSA might take that into consideration.
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: Hustler08 on December 18, 2012, 12:38:41 PM
Any chance of a PSA 9 on this one? Or is the vertical centering insufficient?

(http://s19.postimage.org/mmf2h295v/chex.jpg)

i'm thinking 7.5 at best...:)))
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: BumChex on December 18, 2012, 12:49:59 PM


I also think the cetering is fine. The only drawback I notice is the slight discoloration of the border. Unless this is because of the scan. Not sure how PSA might take that into consideration.

It might come back qualified as stained.
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: Paul_Maul on December 18, 2012, 03:09:49 PM
It might come back qualified as stained.

Why? There's no stain on it. Not sure what you're seeing, but it might be from the scan.
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: BumChex on December 18, 2012, 03:11:01 PM
Why? There's no stain on it. Not sure what you're seeing, but it might be from the scan.

As Ratchet said. It could be the scanner.
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: Paul_Maul on December 18, 2012, 03:11:37 PM

The only drawback I notice is the slight discoloration of the border. Unless this is because of the scan. Not sure how PSA might take that into consideration.

The toning is very minor, PSA would not penalize it for that at all. In fact, they don't penalize stickers with awful toning at all.
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: Paul_Maul on December 18, 2012, 05:54:39 PM
I can't figure out how PSA judges the centering of wackys. How in the world is this Dopey Whip die cut not O/C? And how can the seller refer to it as "perfectly centered" when it obviously isn't?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WACKY-PACKAGES-1967-DIE-CUT-10-DOPEY-WHIP-PSA-8-NMMT-/350669004769?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51a5805fe1 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/WACKY-PACKAGES-1967-DIE-CUT-10-DOPEY-WHIP-PSA-8-NMMT-/350669004769?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51a5805fe1)
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: Dr Popper on December 19, 2012, 06:53:31 AM
I can't figure out how PSA judges the centering of wackys. How in the world is this Dopey Whip die cut not O/C? And how can the seller refer to it as "perfectly centered" when it obviously isn't?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WACKY-PACKAGES-1967-DIE-CUT-10-DOPEY-WHIP-PSA-8-NMMT-/350669004769?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51a5805fe1 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/WACKY-PACKAGES-1967-DIE-CUT-10-DOPEY-WHIP-PSA-8-NMMT-/350669004769?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51a5805fe1)

Even if you ignore the copyright line it's still a little off center.  I guess if PSA says it's perfectly centered then it must be true.
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: BumChex on December 19, 2012, 07:33:10 AM
Even if you ignore the copyright line it's still a little off center.  I guess if PSA says it's perfectly centered then it must be true.

Maybe its a PSA10 but they asked for no qualifiers so it got dropped down to an 8? Highly unlikely though.
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: Paul_Maul on December 19, 2012, 07:49:29 AM
Maybe its a PSA10 but they asked for no qualifiers so it got dropped down to an 8? Highly unlikely though.

I don't think it has adequate centering for an 8. A PSA 8 can be no worse than 70/30, no matter how nice it is otherwise.
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: Dr Popper on December 19, 2012, 08:04:58 AM
I don't think it has adequate centering for an 8. A PSA 8 can be no worse than 70/30, no matter how nice it is otherwise.

In terms of grading, is the copyright line treated just like it is the border of the art, so to get it dead on 50/50 the distance between the bottom of the copyright and bottom edge should be equal to the top of the art to the top edge?   
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: Paul_Maul on December 19, 2012, 08:44:22 AM
In terms of grading, is the copyright line treated just like it is the border of the art, so to get it dead on 50/50 the distance between the bottom of the copyright and bottom edge should be equal to the top of the art to the top edge?  

That's the key question. I believe the answer is yes. If you examine uncut sheets and compare the height of vertical stickers to the length of landscape ones, you'll see they only match up if the copyright line is included.

Example:

(http://s10.postimage.org/ljttvcnu1/Picture_3.png)
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: Paul_Maul on December 22, 2012, 06:25:06 PM
This one sure is pretty!

(http://s19.postimage.org/6rmulbx7n/image.jpg)
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: lucidjc on December 22, 2012, 07:11:53 PM
This one sure is pretty!

(http://s19.postimage.org/6rmulbx7n/image.jpg)

A real looker. To bad they all didn't come from Topps that way originally.
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: Paul_Maul on March 28, 2013, 08:26:57 AM
This has been discussed in the past. Based on the way the sheet is laid out, any truly centered Clammy will appear miscut. So the best hope for a "centered" Clammy is one that is about 60/40, just O/C enough for the image of the other sticker to disappear.

I hate it when PSA drops the ball like this. I'm not sure how the centering of a Clammy should be properly assessed, but the premium PSA puts on eye appeal certainly suggests this should not be an 8. It does illustrate nicely why Clammy is nearly impossible to find well-centered:

eBay auction: #350752785680
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: 70s_Kid on September 11, 2013, 05:57:49 PM
based on what people are paying for PSA'd wackies, there is a strong demand for high grade original wackys....
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: HawaiianPunks on September 12, 2013, 07:10:57 AM
That Choke Wagon is one of the best I've seen. You have a few minor diamond cut cards. Stickers on flimsy paper is really tough. I would be proud!

The centering is excellent, but the corners doom that card.  It would be a PSA 6 or 7 - most likely a 6.
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: Paul_Maul on September 12, 2013, 08:04:30 AM
The centering is excellent, but the corners doom that card.  It would be a PSA 6 or 7 - most likely a 6.

Agreed. That's why finding PSA 9 quality raw cards is so tough. They have to have it all. And it's exponentially tougher for titles that have recurrent production related flaws, like Choke Wagon, 8-Lives, etc. In fact, I'd love to see photos of all of the highest PSA grades for these titles. I'd bet many of them are marginal examples of the grade. I've yet to see a PSA 8 or better Capn Crud that is really centered and cut properly.
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: BumChex on September 12, 2013, 09:46:56 AM
The centering is excellent, but the corners doom that card.  It would be a PSA 6 or 7 - most likely a 6.

Agreed also but it's still one of the best Choke Wagon's I've seen. Most have a dog ear to the left. I think mine does as well. I also have another one that is OC.
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: Paul_Maul on September 12, 2013, 10:58:18 AM
Agreed also but it's still one of the best Choke Wagon's I've seen. Most have a dog ear to the left. I think mine does as well. I also have another one that is OC.

The dog ear/flare cut thing is a common problem with stickers appearing on the edge of the uncut sheet. Lots of titles have this problem, Jerky Fruits, Feetena, etc., etc. Not sure why some edge titles are more prone to it than others. Also, it definitely affects tan backs more than white backs.
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: Paul_Maul on September 12, 2013, 05:27:13 PM
This Choke Wagon is truly amazing.....

(http://s8.postimage.org/ke6e46yit/scan0074.jpg)   
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: RawGoo on September 12, 2013, 05:46:06 PM
WOW!!  Do you think every other sticker on the sheet that came from was miscut and/or off-center?
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: Kook on September 12, 2013, 06:32:52 PM
This Choke Wagon is truly amazing.....

(http://s8.postimage.org/ke6e46yit/scan0074.jpg)   

That's a beauty Dave. Is that yours? What's the aquisition story??
Title: Re: Original Series Wackys: Hard to Find in High Grade
Post by: Paul_Maul on September 12, 2013, 07:18:42 PM
No, not mine unfortunately, it belongs to ol' topcat.....